[S] Portal Mafia - Animal King, SK Win.

[Lorenz]

Vote: Lorenz

OK, here I go. (Disclaimer. This is my first mafia game, you will hear me not mention this ever again, and will not blame anything on this and won't expect my actions to be viewed in a different way either)

First of all, question. What is vlg/vig?

Now, for my read on people. Not in any specific order, just the order my notes happen to be in.

EH: received new post restriction, which makes me wonder if every day someone else will be fascinated by cake, or if the fascination will change when the last cake-addict dies. The previous cake-addict was town, not that I would expect such restriction to give us any information, not now at least. I have no reason whatsoever to suspect scum of him.
Weiyaoli: I have very few notes on him, but share some of his ideas (suspected R_R for being afraid of a town power role). I can't blame his vote on m_p to be very suspicious, as m_p was indeed lurky/scumy to my eyes.
roBAD: The new victim. I cannot think of him without going to the next level of wine every second. WIFOMIFOYIFOM and so on. I like his view on things and discussions, and would like to believe he is town. I can't get it out of my head that he could simply be playing with us, but will believe him to be town for now. Edit after reread: The claim that he is not human bothers me a lot. Can anyone think of different non-human options that could be town/not scum than the ones already mentioned?
DBC: His change of vote from roBAD to m_p makes me suspicious, but only because of all the wine in my head about roBAD. Will have to come to a decision. I do have him labeled in my head as town, for lack of contrary evidence.
Ibarra:Very much as town as it can get. In my eyes, all zis accusations make logical sense.
NOS: well, that's me now. I am here now. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
Eajik: No notes, no read.
Joshz: Didn't vote m_p because he hadn't been able to defend himself. Did he know m_p was town and thought he could vote a scum since m_p seemed like being lynched anyways? Just a thought that has lingered me. His reason for voting roBAD is legit enough though. I'll think of him as neutral for now.
R-R: I do not like zis comment about incinerating the cube, or the fact that he doesn't want us to eat cake. What sort of foolishness is that about the cake being a lie? Anyway, I do not understand zis vote on VZ and as Weyaoli pointed out, has confusing post that could be interpreted as being afraid of a town power role. Most scummy, although I plan on making no accusations on my welcoming party. (Which is also my 21 birthday party. It is awesome to be mafia-ing instead of partying)

@ roBAD: I mostly agree with you on EH's restriction, just adding my thought in what I don't agree.
double cream = night kill or something similar
custard = (I am as lost as you are)
good egg = I think good is part of speech, egg could be something that amounts to player.
jam = ASHPD

I'm pretty sure I wanted to comment on at least one more thing, but can't remember right now. I love you.

Edit after reread: Night is a testing faze, so I'm pretty sure GLaDOS will test 1 or more of us at night. If we fail, well, that's what happened to VZ.
Unvote

[Lorenz]

EBWOP: I did a quick browse just now and I don't think DBC's vote is suspicious.

[roband]

Lorenz, vig is short for vigilante. A town role, with a night-kill.

[weiyaoli]

@roband, I don't think it was the "random" voting much as you were going with the target of the modwine that people disagreed with. We don't really have enough information yet though to judge if a non-human cop means scum and I don't really think you were distancing with that pushing for cjdrum when you could well have coasted along and not voted at all.

R_R's behavior is annoying me now but I'm not sure what he's trying to do/achieve there with the hypocritical false posting restriction. That said, I think VZ was probably the target for the NK because of his posting restriction made him seem non-human and possibly a power role but that's not really a point for RR when he said he was very suspicious of people with posting restrictions earlier.

[roband]

weiy - it was as random as anything else, and I thought we might learn something about the modwine. It turns out we won't - or at least, I know so.

RR's behaviour annoys me all the time. I can't work it out

[joshz]

@roband, I don't think it was the "random" voting much as you were going with the target of the modwine that people disagreed with. We don't really have enough information yet though to judge if a non-human cop means scum and I don't really think you were distancing with that pushing for cjdrum when you could well have coasted along and not voted at all.

Yes, that was the main reason I was suspicious of roband D1. A random vote on the first day is not at all a bad idea. It's just that going with modwine is not a great idea at all, in my opinion.

roband: However, since scumdrum did, in fact, turn out to be scum, it seems far less likely to me now that roband is scum—unless I'm very much mistaken, the scum know who each other are from the start, so one scum pushing for lynching another scum…just doesn't really make much sense to me. So, I think roband is fairly towny at the moment.

Robot_Raptor: RR's behavior seems somewhat strange to me, as well, though it could possibly be an artifact of being a new player? It looks like he started his first game in the beginning of June, so he might still just be working out what's going on/how to play. So, I'm slightly suspicious, but he said he'll post an analysis. I'll wait for that before I attempt to draw further conclusions on him. For now, slightly scummy.

Ibarra: Fairly in-depth analysis, though I'm uncertain why ze asked why I revealed the ASHPD's actions (though that's more curiosity than anything, and perhaps an artifact of me being new to the game—maybe that's not normally done, and I was just unaware of that? I didn't see any possible reason it could be harmful and, as outlined above, it could possibly help the town to know options.) Ze also posted in-depth analyses D1, which seems towny to me.

Lorenz/NoS: NoS did post some fairly in-depth role spec on the first day that could prove to be useful, and asked a (fairly neutral) question to the mod. She voted for more_people, but ze *did* seem somewhat scummy based on hir lurking, so that isn't in and of itself terribly suspicious. Lorenz posted a fairly in-depth analysis of all of the players, so that leans them to the town side. Overall, I'm giong to go with slight towny.

DaBigCheez: Hasn't posted much D2, but his posts D1 were very in-depth and seemed very towny, so I'm going to say town.

ElectricHaze: Fairly in-depth, reasonable post D1. It didn't raise my suspicions in any way. Strange posting restriction now, but the analysis, as far as I can understand it, seems fairly neutral. Overall, I think neutral leaning slightly town.

weiyaoli: Some flavo(u)r spec D1. Overall, posts are fairly short and don't contribute all that much in and of themselves. While the vote for m_p could have been to 'save' cjdrum, it doesn't seem all that likely to me. m_p *did* seem fairly scummy based on all the lurking. That vote seems neutral to me. A slightly longer post D2, but there still isn't all that much content. I'm going to go with moderately scummy.

Eajik: out of town most of D1, so that doesn't tell us anything. D2 ze did ab bit of meta analysis of roband, but there isn't much beyond that. According to hir initial post, ze's been back for 5 days now and still hasn't made any significant contribution. I'm going to say neutral, slightly scummy.

[roband]

Gotta say josh, I'm feeling a lot better about you. Thanks for that analysis, you can see why using someone else's and just saying "yeah I agree with that" could be seen as suspicious, right?

I was suspicious of weiy already, and now he's looking to put pressure on RR (by the looks of it) when RR has played like this in a few games as town already. That's not to say that RR is definitely town here, weiy could be bussing RR - or alternatively being prepared to be lynched and distancing from RR.

Regardless, I think that the following is justified.

Vote: Weiyaoli

[weiyaoli]

Analysis on Chandani/Robot_Raptor:

Chandani:

1) A confirm post

Replaced by Robot_Raptor:

D1:
1) Game speculation. No posting restriction here. Answers Ibarra's questions.
2) Starts with what seems to be a posting restriction of being the Fact Core. No content apart from pointing out that cores could be considered part of glados and not a separate entity. Also attempts to move the game forwards from speculation.
3) Pretty much outright claims that he is just posting as the Fact Core because it is amusing. Votes VZ for not contributing. (Still no real contribution from him though, he had that tiny bit of speculation at the beginning of the game but as he himself said, it's interesting but unhelpful later on).
4) That really strange post about lynching VZ because it would give the most information and make the game less chaotic.
5) Content-less post about facts and cake.
6) Confirms he would advocate lynching VZ even if he might be a town power role because it makes the game less chaotic.

D2:
1) Jokey post with a self-vote.
2) Outright claims fake posting restriction. Trusts roband and was really sure that VZ was not human. (Does he know something about a link between posting restriction and humanity?)
3) The self-vote was incentive to post more often. Not really materialized as of yet.

Conclusion:
He's been pretty active lurky. His only contribution D1 was game spec early and then coasted through with his claimed fake restriction with that weird bit about lynching VZ being the best idea. He's been a little better in terms of content today, but that's not saying much. I'll wait for his promised analysis, but he's looking slightly scummy to me for that VZ suggestion yesterday. Nothing more solid though because of his lurking yesterday.

ninajed:

and now he's looking to put pressure on RR (by the looks of it) when RR has played like this in a few games as town already.

I haven't played in any games with RR yet so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that RR always plays like this as town. And I have already FoSed him yesterday, I'm not sure why you are implying that I have suddenly decided to bus/put pressure on RR.

[ElectricHaze]

Arrrrrgh, I want to write up a proper post, but this restriction is making it hard. You all got it mostly right with the substitutions I have to use. As long as I avoid those words I can talk normally, there is another component to it as well which makes it particularly annoying. I will hopefully be able to write up a real post after work when I have time to look over my notes and work out a post while keeping the restriction in mind. Since talking about anything related to the game, and doing analysis requires me to use words that need to be changed around.

I will correct you on custard. That isn't actually a part of my restriction. I was about to write dastardly or bastardy, I forget which actually because it wasn't a really important part of the post, and I went "hehe custardly is close enough and it sort of fits with my restriction!" I don't want you to be confused by that one...

[roband]

I haven't played in any games with RR yet so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that RR always plays like this as town. And I have already FoSed him yesterday, I'm not sure why you are implying that I have suddenly decided to bus/put pressure on RR.

Just because you haven't played WITH him doesn't mean you're not aware. If you are scum, you wouldn't admit it, it you're town then it's not provable - therefore, it's possible.

I'm not implying that that's the case, I'm saying that we have to look on it as being an option. I don't outright say that RR is scum, but IF you are, we can't just discount him.

[weiyaoli]

I haven't played in any games with RR yet so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that RR always plays like this as town. And I have already FoSed him yesterday, I'm not sure why you are implying that I have suddenly decided to bus/put pressure on RR.

Just because you haven't played WITH him doesn't mean you're not aware. If you are scum, you wouldn't admit it, it you're town then it's not provable - therefore, it's possible.

But you are the one making the assumption/expectation that I do know how RR usually plays which was why I was pointing out how that wasn't the case. I think it's frankly unrealistic that I am aware of RR's play style if I have not played in any games with him. It's not provable no, but it is also more likely that I am unaware of his play style than I am.

[roband]

RRs playstyle has been a bit of a 'thing' in the games he's played. He's appeared scummy, despite being town, in every game he's played so far.

I've made a point of it, maybe even in this game, I can't recall.

The real thing is that it doesn't matter. I'm not judging you on how you're going about calling RR scummy, it's for the reasons I gave yesterday.

[DaBigCheez]

Alrighty! Been a bit busy lately (dang, I thought it had only been a dozen or so posts, but I haven't posted for like a page and a half O_O), but now I have time for a proper DBC Wall-O'-Text(tm), so here goes!

My take on the night's events:

1) scumdrum would have made no sense for a scumkill, so we pretty definitely have one or more of: 1) Vig, 2) PGO, 3) SK. (For Lorenz's reference: Vigilante, or Vig, is a town role with a nightkill, as mentioned. Paranoid Gun Owner, or PGO, is a (usually town, sometimes independent) role which will kill anyone who attempts to perform a night action on them; it's usually good practice for PGOs to claim immediately at game-start, to avoid accidentally killing their own cop or somesuch. Serial Killer, or SK, is an independent role with a nightkill, who wins when everyone else in the game is dead.)

2) VectorZero: Probably chosen for the scum's nightkill (which GLaDOS's testing seems to almost certainly be, given that we're apparently dealing with cores) due to the combination of posting restriction pointing to a possible power role + "detailed analysis forthcoming" (zomg kill him before he can say things!) A similar posting restriction seems to have now been passed to EH, but it doesn't seem to be the exact same one. This could have something to do with the Cake Core, esp. given the "recipes" part of VZ's restriction, but that seems to be absent from EH's, so v0v

3) roBAD: As already mentioned, looks pretty clear he's not on the scumteam - distancing is one thing, making a determined push at serious risk to self to get a scummate lynched is entirely another. Still don't agree with his reasoning, but can't fault the results There's also been a lot of contribution today, which pleases me *adjusts monocle* That said...well, see below.

4) On weiyaoli/Robot_Raptor: I generally read through all the games as they're going, so I'd have seen R_R's playstyle even if I hadn't been in any games with him. However, not everyone does that, I'm guessing. Don't really see much one way or the other as far as that goes. This does seem to be about how R_R typically plays, which means I have absolutely no clue what's going on with him, aside from the sweet swell of wine aging in cherrywood casks.

Other thoughts:
I am, to be honest, a little concerned about roBAD still. I'm fairly sure he's not on the scumteam, and I do see him as pretty townie based on today's posts, but I wanted to make sure people realize this doesn't clear him entirely. Consider the following:
1) We had an extra nightkill during the night.
2) Turrets are non-human.
3) RoBAD wanted scumdrum dead.
4) The wine surrounding scumdrum was the greatest threat to roBAD.
5) RoBAD is pushing hard for lynches in general.
6) If we are dealing with cores as the scumteam, it's 3-person scum (I can in no way see the Morality Core fitting in as a scum team, guessing non-human town roleblocker). 9v3 with roles as powerful as vig seems rather generous to town - I'd expect extra kills to be on independents rather than town, though a vig is still possible.

In short, I think there's a possibility roBAD is a serial killer (turret) - it fits all the data we have so far. There's also a possibility that roBAD is a zealous vig (as most of the above reasoning would apply whether town or SK), but the combination of non-human and an extra kill makes me think turret, which does not make me think townie. There's also a *very* strong possibility that roBAD is just a townie with no relation to any kills whatsoever, and as mentioned, I do in fact think he's pretty townie - but I wanted to make sure we don't fall into the trap of thinking that he must be confirmed town if he's not on the scumteam, when we've got an extra unaccounted-for kill floating around. This will almost certainly apply to others as well - unless we get a confirmed vig/PGO claim, there's a possibility we've got an SK on the loose.

And, to be clear for the new players, THE VIG (if there is one) SHOULD NOT CLAIM AT THIS POINT, nor should anyone else (except millers/PGO, possibly) - it just makes you an easy target for scum, and gives them more info about the setup. If we've got a doctor it's *less* of a risk, but claiming is something you do when you have to (to get results out if you think you're going to be killed as a cop, if you're about to be lynched as a town power role, etc.). Incidentally, this is why there was a raised eyebrow at your revealing of the ASHPD's capabilities, joshz - it gives away info to scum, and while it doesn't put a power role at risk in the same way claiming a role power does, there wasn't too much of a need to claim, and knowing what it does doesn't really help town (since only the person who gets it needs to know, and group-directed abilities are often a bad idea, due to scum being able to subtly steer the target away from anything crucial).

Currently, I'm thinking weiyaoli and Robot_Raptor are the scummiest-looking, with eajik still lurking *hard*. (Insightful and fresh opinions, I know!) May do an updated full analysis later; for now, I'm mostly going off gut, and shifting around my earlier opinions based on recent events rather than re-baking the analysis-cake from scratch.

Current town/scum rankings:
-----SCUM-----
weiyaoli
Robot_Raptor
eajik
Lorenz
joshz
RoBAD
ElectricHaze
Ibarra
-----TOWN-----

(The top three town, and the bottom two scum, are practically interchangable; the main leaps are from weiy/R_R, to eajik, to Lorenz/joshz, to RoBAD/EH/Ibarra.)

Also, there's something that I've been thinking about regarding the kill on VZ...I don't think it's likely, and it's full of wine, but I know it'll just keep bugging me until I post it, so here goes
Is it possible that the posting restriction had a link to the nightkill? That is, either VZ was consumed by the desire for cake and so was easily tricked by GLaDOS into a deadly test, or the Cake Core delivered "cake" (acid cake, but given the "recipes" I wouldn't be surprised) to him to fulfill his desire, or something along those lines? It doesn't seem likely that we'd have a "poisoning"-type mechanic in this game, but seeing a similar posting restriction show up on EH just got me wondering about it. Any opinions?



TL;DR - I think we've got an SK, I think weiyaoli or R_R are the best lynch targets for today, and I want to see more content from eajik.

[Lorenz]

Posting an idea here. Will elaborate when out of lab.
Robot_Raptor might be independent, who wins by eliminating all non-human players, be it town or scum. It would certainly explain many of his posts/actions.
I have to admit, as much as it pains me, I never fully played portal. Would anything be consistent with that behavior?
I also ask, other than the companion cube mentioned a few times as probable town-non-human, is there any other non-human entity that might be town?

[DaBigCheez]

Lorenz - Behold, my wall of text slips silently in behind you like the ninjas of old! XD

"Independent who wins by eliminating all other players" is pretty much the description of the Serial Killer role. "Independent who wins by eliminating all non-human roles" I could see as a variant in this case, though I don't think it's particularly likely. That said, Robot_Raptor could be a candidate for our SK. If there was a restriction on "kill all humans" vs. "kill all non-humans", I'd be leaning towards the side of "turret, needs to kill all humans".

Non-human probable-town entities: Companion Cube, Morality Core, possibly Aperture Science Weighted Storage Cube/Aperture Science Superconducting Super-Button/the energy balls? Almost definitely the first two, the last ones are pure speculation.

[joshz]

Incidentally, this is why there was a raised eyebrow at your revealing of the ASHPD's capabilities, joshz - it gives away info to scum, and while it doesn't put a power role at risk in the same way claiming a role power does, there wasn't too much of a need to claim, and knowing what it does doesn't really help town (since only the person who gets it needs to know, and group-directed abilities are often a bad idea, due to scum being able to subtly steer the target away from anything crucial).

Ahh, okay. That makes sense. I guess when I revealed its powers, I wasn't considering the mafia being able to influence group-directed abilities, and also didn't see what harm it could do, as we have no concrete evidence that scum can't have the ASHPD.

[Robot_Raptor]

the fact core really means to post, but is quite overworked.

Sorry , someone mind posting how long we have till day's end?

[DaBigCheez]

It is now day 2. Deadline set for 6pm Saturday, July 2nd.

So, we've got about 54 hours yet.

[roband]

Non-human probable-town entities: Companion Cube, Morality Core, possibly Aperture Science Weighted Storage Cube/Aperture Science Superconducting Super-Button/the energy balls? Almost definitely the first two, the last ones are pure speculation.

DBC, I'm really not happy with you saying "let's not give scum too much information" then list a myriad of fake claims for them to choose from...
Seriously. If we're dealing with cores, then they're going to come up as non-human. Way to give them an easy out.

I don't know what else to put here. Your spec about an SK is interesting (and obviously if I was one, I would deny it - but I'm not afraid of tackling the wine full-on and saying that it's not the case here). I will claim if everyone agrees it's for the best, but right now I don't think that's the case.

What did you think of my suggestion about CJ's curiosity killing him? No-one has mentioned that.

[DaBigCheez]

Don't think you need to claim, roBAD.

I touched on the idea of curiosity killing the scumdrum briefly, with the possibility of a PGO - it's quite possible the curiosity core was a scum rolecop/tracker who chose to check a paranoid gun owner and died for it, or something similar to that. It'd fit with the flavor better than most other options, I'd just expect a PGO to have claimed earlier. Definitely seems plausible, given the number of new players we have in the game.

As for the rolespec - I don't think I said anything that wasn't mentioned Day 1, just summarized it because Lorenz was new and gave my opinions on likelihood of actually existing. In retrospect it probably would have been a good idea to leave it unsummarized (so scum would have to actually *work* for falseclaims, as you point out - at least reading back to D1 themselves), but I get drawn into musing on rolespec way too easily :/

I'm not sure it would really count as an 'easy out' though, considering the sheer level of wine involved in claiming one of the ones I mentioned (esp. the 'out there' ones).

I think your objection is reasonable in principle, but I don't think I exactly 'gave away [too much] information' or 'gave [scum] an easy out' here, at least not significantly more than the rolespec most of us enthusiastically participated in D1 does.

[ElectricHaze]

Ok, analysis. Looking at the votals I think it is likely that one person voting for m_p is Butter. It just seems like it would be too tempting for one to jump onto a mis-flour bandwagon day 1, and m_p made themselves a really good target for someone to slip in an extra vote and not look too bad for it. That means probably one of weiyaoli, roband, dbc, or nos (or me, but I like me so I don't consider myself a possibility) is playing for the other team.

Weiyaoli has a few strikes against him, his posts are fairly short and there isn't much content to them. His vote on m_p didn't seem like it was backed up by a lot of reasoning, maybe a target of opportunity?

Roband pushed against cj early and hard, which makes him less suspicious, but he ended up hopping off at the end to avoid a tie. A couple other things ping me from roband such as his analysis about the Jam, and that it may be necessary for the Double Cream. He then adds on to that by saying doctor roles don't make sense if that assumption is true. Basically, makes a bad assumption and then tries to put forward speculation based on it. A sketchy move IMO. Also, his day 2 analysis has him being suspicious of weiyaoli, joshz, r_r and Necklace of Shadow(Now lorenz, I believe), and takes a jab at DBC for a small blurb about possible non-human Egg roles. Basically it seems like he is spreading suspicion on everybody today, and it is beginning to erode the neutral position I put him in after cj's flip.

DBC has a lot of good posts from what I can tell. I can't really see anything wrong with them, though there does seem to be some ties to roband in his posts, and until roband flips one way or the other my read on DBC is neutral+.

NecklaceOfShadow/Lorenz decent content though again I have some notes about their alignment vs roband, so until roband flips I have them as neutral.

Other things of note:
cj voted for Ibarra, which could be a possible distancing tactic from someone who expected to die soon, but so far Ibarra seems pretty clean.

Robot_raptor: Everyone seems to hate them right now. I could go over it a little more closely, but it doesn't seem like there is a single person that doesn't have r_r on their list of suspicious people, not even myself, and that is throwing up huge warning signs for me. I would like to see them drop the fake restriction and post more, because they said themselves that such things only add confusion to the game, and if they were willing to vote VZ for that reason then they should expect the same in return. Also, I think their content is suffering as a result of trying to post with the restriction, and that is not helping their image.

One last thing I wanted to say was about something lorenz mentioned about removing all the non-human players, and that is that I had a similar though and that cj and roband both being targeted by the flavor, and cj dieing might point to a bastard win-condition for the Sugar. Or there is a player controlling the flavor either hitting non-humans by coincidence or has the win condition of removing all non-humans from the game.

tl;dr: I am suspicious of weiyaoli, and r_r, and to a lesser extent roband. No one seeming to have objections to voting r_r is a bit worrisome. My thoughts on a lot of people seem to hinge on how roband flips.

[Lorenz]

Thank you for pointing out the ninja-d DBC.

Anyway, commenting on the most interesting players right now.
roBAD. Non human. Everyone is at least slightly suspicious of him, some more than others. The more I think of it, I have to agree with DBC on SK. I'm almost certain VZ had to much double cream on his cake, as EH might say, which leaves scumdrum to have been killed by someone else. roBAD seemed really interested in knowing what to think of the mods wine, and we probably need to thank him for wanting to know what GLaDOS is up to, if that is indeed the case. The only other possibilities for him I think are scum or vig, but would we think of a vig as being non-human?

R_R: Either SK or Town. Nobody likes him and so, he could be a very easy lynch. We can NOT be lead by scum to lynch him. I am not saying we shouldn't, but everyone that does vote him will raise suspicion on me. If VZ would have been killed by something other than the scum team, I would be pretty sure of R_R being the SK. I realize that is not the case, and so, take back my previous declaration of thinking strongly of him to be SK.

Also, I am not disregarding PGO for the kill, however, we know josh had the Portal Gun, and used that to investigate. He wasn't killed. I find hard to believe that scumdrum was killed by doing something like investigating him.

Right now, after rethinking, everyone who voted m_p is in my top list for suspicion, except for NOS of course, who was simply my misguided alter-ego. Unless someone happens to raise more suspicion, my vote is going to someone from the lynch-m_p squad. I understand this argument could be used against me, but I am not NoS, not in this life.

I am curious as to what will happen after this.

Vote Weiyaoli

DBC seems to be very friendly, and apparently high content means town to people around here. I think those arguments are flawed. I am not calling you scummy, but have to reread your posts, see if I can find anything suspicious.

I will also analyse roBAD's posts in more detail if I can. My lynching targets in this order are:

Weiyaoli
roBAD
DBC
EH

This is not my scummy list, but unless I have a very good reason, my vote is going over there.
EH is at the bottom, simply because I am curious as to what kind of game this cake restriction leads.

[Lorenz]

Also on roBAD, I doubt that GLaDOS would pick on a scum member two days in a row. No reason why this has to be true.

[joshz]

For everyone's information: I'm about to go stay at my grandmother's house for a week, so will have limited internet access. I should be back mid-afternon (EDT) the 10th, and back into the regular swing of posting by the 11th, if we're still going then.

[Robot_Raptor]

Robot_Raptor did not exist. His posts were masterminded in 1589 by Francis Bacon, who used a Ouija board to enslave analysis-writing ghosts.

Apples. Oranges. Pears. Plums. Kumquats. Tangerines. Lemons. Limes. Avocado. Tomato. Banana. Papaya. Guava.
Warning, sphere corruption at twenty-- rats cannot throw up.
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Attempting to regenerate data and restore historical archive.

Spoiler:

4. Robot_Raptor
D1 - Minor rolespec, short answer to ibarra's questions
- joke post
- votes for v_z while hoping that people could parse out his reasoning from his in character statements (hint: they couldn't)
- explains his reasoning (posting restrictions are suspicious), minor analysis

ScumDrum: too little fighting back against the vicissitudes of fate, reads as scummy to neutral.
Ibarra: townie
Vector: see above reasoning.
DBC: neutral, maths error reads badly though.
Weiyoli: lurker lynch, reads as mildly scummy.
more_people: lurker, no read, but a sensible vote.
NOL: Neutral.
Electric: Townie, good content.
Eajik: no content

- flavour post
- flavour post, points out that he made the wrong call, votes for self
- suprise at V_Z being human and having a posting restriction (seriously, what?! i still don't get that) wonders why scumdrum is dead
- posts that he's overworked, asks for time tile end of day

5. DaBigCheez
D1 - Very long rolespec, could possibly be winey if we find out he's non-human.
- answers questions
- points out that you should just ignore wine, says that a D1 random lynch isn't really a problem
- posts analysis and rankings are as follows

=====SCUM=====
roband = more_people
cjscum
VectorZero
weiyaoli
Robot_Raptor
joshz
Ibarra
NecklaceOfShadow
=====TOWN=====

- finds scumdrum scummy, and points out that having a bunch of random votes lets the scum control the lynch, votes for roband
- doesn't want to risk a tie votes for m_p
- votals
D2 - eases up on roband, figure all scum are non-human but not all non-human are scum
- nice long analysis, says there's a vig, PGO or SK. VZ is probably the nightkill. Roband isn't really scummy, R_R is alwys scummy.

-----SCUM-----
weiyaoli
Robot_Raptor
eajik
Lorenz
joshz
RoBAD
ElectricHaze
Ibarra
-----TOWN-----

- rolespec
- says SK doesn't need to claim, wonderss about sheer level of wine in any claim at this point, says that he hasn't done anything but summarize D1 discussion.

6. Ibarra
D1 - Asks the usual set of discussion questions
- Fos: roband for fosing based on modwine, more rolespec
- votes for roband, asks questions about V_z and R_R having posting restrictions
- annoyed at roband, finds lack of any suspicions suspicious
- analysis
D2 - roband has moved to neutral since scumdrum was scum (as the name implies), wonders about josh revealing more info than necessary. HoS: R_R (i take a finger wasn't enough? )

7. NecklaceOfShadow/Lorenz
D1 - NOS - Nice long rolespec
- votes for more_people, defends roband
D2 - lorenz - says hi
- proper analysis, some speculation on testing being what kille V_Z, some analysis on EH's posting restriction
- wonders if there's flavour basis for an independent.
- votes weiy, finds R_R likely candidate for SK

8. ElectricHaze
D1 - posts that he wants to be a replacement
- posts that he will post more later
- posts a long analysis, Fos on M_P and R_R, defends roband
- votes for m_p
- jokes, some speculation and analysis, claims a posting restriction (cake? again?)
D2 - annoyed at posting restriction makes correction to speculation
- nice long analysis

tl;dr: I am suspicious of weiyaoli, and r_r, and to a lesser extent roband. No one seeming to have objections to voting r_r is a bit worrisome. My thoughts on a lot of people seem to hinge on how roband flips.

9. weiyaoli
D1 - Rolespec
- Answers questions, (note: believes in meta)
- votes for more_people since he had no content
- discussion with roband on rules and voting
- FoS: R_R for saying that lynching a power role is good
D2 - more R_R annoyance, defending people's actions against roband
- defends his FoS: R_R and points out he's an active lurker
- more defense of lack of meta

10. Eajik
D2 - finally posts, says glados is an equal opportuniy accuser, asks why R_R is voting for himself

11. joshz
D1 - some rolespec
- defends scumdrum, since he thinks glados is just being silly
- Fos: on roband for jumping onto modwine
- says he's using DBC's analysis since it made sense
- votes roband, thinks M_P is scummy from lurking and defends a chance to deserve himself.
D2 - claims he had ASHPD which is claimed to give roleblock or limited cop power, claims that roband isn't human, more rolespec
- wonders what the flavour means, defends roband
- defends his release of info by saying that he wants more help figuring out optimal usage of the ASHPD
- proper analysis

12. roband
D1 - Annoyed at questions, and some minor rolespec.
- more rolespec, points FoS: at scumdrum based on modwine
- points out that modwine is really the only thing we have to go on
- would rather lynch scumdrum than no lynch
- defends his conversational posting style from DBC, points out that mis-lynches aren't alwys bad
- votes for scumdrum
- discussion with weiy on rules and voting
- defends his decision more, is annoyed at ibbara
- votes for M_P since he's lurking, suspicion as follows

Town
VZ
Ibarra
m_p
Scum

- defends his new vote as self preservation
D2 - Talks about deaths, suspects VZ was mafia kill, scumdrum was a SK or vig, and M_P was a mislynch. Finds weiy suspicious, EH not very, and is annoyed at how scummy i am.
- some speculation on haze's post restriction
- defends his vote and is annoyed by R_R (seems to be a theme doesn't it?)
- votes weiy for putting pressure on R_R
- points out wiey's lack of meta is a possible scum excuse
- defends R_Rs actions as in character (seriously?), says his vote for weiy is based on his stuff yesterday more than his R_R hating.
- wonders if scumdrum's curiosity killed him

Historical data regenerated.

Fact: Weiyaoli is the name of an 18 century mongolian diplomat who had his liver eaten by goats when he refused to sign a requisition order for pencils.

Spoiler:

As it is weiy ranks pretty high for the reasons everyone already stated.

eajik is lurky and that's problematic.

There's probably an SK, PGO, (both of which can be turrets) or a vig (which doesn't seem sensible wrt flavour).

I suspect roband as SK, or doctor.

At the moment, eajik is next on my list, and after that i cant decide on ibbara or josh, everyone else reads neutral to town.

At some point in their lives 1 in 6 children will be abducted by Weiyaoli.

Spoiler:

Votals:

Weiy: 3 (Roband, Lorenz and Robot_Raptor)

Vote: Weiyaoli

[weiyaoli]

His vote on m_p didn't seem like it was backed up by a lot of reasoning, maybe a target of opportunity?

I'm not sure what other reasoning there was apart from what I gave?

roband gave no reasoning behind his vote of m_p at all, except that he was the scummiest of out ibarra,m_p and VZ.
DBC gave no reasoning behind his vote of m_p. (I mean originally, beyond voting for m_p to avoid a tie)
NoS gave no reasoning behind his vote of m_p except that he actually believed roband.
Literally EH was the only other person to give any reasoning at all.

[roband]

roband gave no reasoning behind his vote of m_p at all, except that he was the scummiest of out ibarra,m_p and VZ.

Get the hell out. I made my reasons VERY clear. I voted m_p as it was the only way for me to survive.
Sure, I didn't vote him because I thought he was scummy, I voted him because I know that I'm town.

IMO, that's an acceptable position to be in.

[weiyaoli]

roband gave no reasoning behind his vote of m_p at all, except that he was the scummiest of out ibarra,m_p and VZ.

Get the hell out. I made my reasons VERY clear. I voted m_p as it was the only way for me to survive.
Sure, I didn't vote him because I thought he was scummy, I voted him because I know that I'm town.

IMO, that's an acceptable position to be in.

That was the reasoning I said you gave. ("He was the scummiest out of m_p, ibarra, VZ") You just didn't say why he was the scummiest.

[roband]

At the time, he was the only person with a vote on him, apart from me and Ibarra, IIRC.

Anyway, you were making out like survival wasn't a good enough reason. Which it was.

[weiyaoli]

I was talking about this post (where you actually voted for m_p) which the people you listed all had one vote on:

Spoiler:

Currently the following all have one vote: CJdrum, Ibarra, more_people, VectorZero, roband

Obviously I know that lynching me is a mislynch. Of the other 3 (I'm already voting for CJ) I think they rank in order of scumminess:

Town
VZ
Ibarra
m_p
Scum

So, I will
Unvote
Vote more_people

As I do not wish to be lynched, and I'm going offline now, and there is 40 minutes til deadline, and no-one else seems to be doing anything to move us away from a tie.

No, I was not making out that it wasn't a good enough reason, just that EH saying that my vote wasn't backed up by much reasoning was false, when nobody else except for EH actually gave any reasons for why m_p was suspicious.

[roband]

Ok, I didn't recall that specific post.

I do now, and I was under a lot of pressure. The deadline was 40 minutes away, I was going offline and people weren't getting their fingers out.
It wasn't the most logical of posts.

[GLaDOS.]

Votals:

Robot_Raptor - 1 (R_R)
Weiyaoli - 1 (roBAD)

5 Votes to Hammer.

You did not unvote R_R and you do not control two votes. If you want to change your current vote you need to unvote, then make your vote. Only the first counts. I'm feeling genrous so I have let you off this time. Your lucky because if you were roBAD I would have locked in your self-vote for the day for this. But you're not. Next time I won't be so nice.

[weiyaoli]

Vote Weiyaoli

^

[Lorenz]

I'm pretty sure I submitted a vote.

Preview: MEGA Ninja-d

[Robot_Raptor]

Unvote

This is a bad plan. You will fail.

Vote: Weiyaoli

[joshz]

NoS gave no reasoning behind her vote of m_p except that she actually believed roband.

Fixed that for you.

I'm still very suspicious of weiyaoli, but I don't at this point think hammering is a good idea. Hir recent posts seem reasonable to some extent—far less scummy than the earlier lurking, at any rate. Ze *did* start to get very defensive, but there were a lot of people voting for hir. I don't think it's a good idea to hammer just yet, but I am very suspicious of weiyaoli and will likely end up voting for hir unless ze satisfactorily justifies hir suspicious behavior.

[roband]

We're 2 votes from lynch now, not 1, right?

[joshz]

I believe so. I just wanted to slow us down a bit, as we don't know whether or not the scum are contributing to suspicion of weiyaoli. Hammering can only really benefit scum, I think. It's better to take it slower and make sure we are making the best decision based on the evidence we have.

[roband]

I believe so. I just wanted to slow us down a bit, as we don't know whether or not the scum are contributing to suspicion of weiyaoli. Hammering can only really benefit scum, I think. It's better to take it slower and make sure we are making the best decision based on the evidence we have.

I agree.

The issue comes when the active players have said what they plan to do, once everyone has had their say, then no-one has their say, and the game drags a little.
I think we'll be ok on that front though. We still have DBC and EH, who have been active, but not said much about voting yet.

Ibarra really needs to post more though.

[roband]

and Eajik. Christ, are you out there?

Actually, Eajik was replaced in Terminator mafia, I wonder if he asked for a replacement here too?