Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon

[mercuryseven]

I fully expected there must already be a thread on this, but it didn't turn up in my search.

I just saw this movie, it was reasonably good, especially as someone who hasn't really liked any Michael Bay film since The Rock. It's probably because I found Shia LaBeouf less annoying now than he was in the other films, and is showing more action-hero charisma this time around. I didn't enjoy the beginning much - lots of awkward and unnatural exposition. The plot doesn't make sense at all. The opening scene where they used the Apollo moon missions as the foundation of the story seems like a brilliant starting point, but then it feels like the writers are just wingin' it the rest of the way. My view may be unjustified because I had a hard time trying to make sense of the plot, and lost interest halfway through the movie. But the climatic ending was good action... yay for cgi explosion porn.

Actually I mostly enjoyed the side characters:

Spoiler:

-Wash Alan Tudyk! When he appeared, my mind was going "Wash! Wash!..." then I saw him acting as this quirky but lethal guy with a German accent, I'm sold, and I enjoyed all his scenes.
- The Buzz Aldrin actually appeared! I didn't know he was in the movie, so it was an awesome surprise for me, and had a big smile on my face when he appeared.
- John Malkovich, probably for no other reason than simply he's John Malkovich.

Also, my constant complaint in Michael Bay's Transformer movies is: This being a sci-fi/fantasy action movie, the scriptwriters/director had every opportunity to give us a badass female lead character. The woman who replaced Megan Fox seems very pointless.

[SecondTalon]

..you and I watched two different movies. The one I saw only made any sense at all if you believe Epps is a wizard and was doing magic whenever not on camera, both to save himself and his friends (in the latter half) and just to fuck with people (in the first half). Like causing a building to be able to support itself while broken in half and sideways, getting people down, re-writing history such as no mention at all of the events on the Moon would be made until now, etc.

[Mighty Jalapeno]

I'm taking my son to see it this weekend. I'm glad there's no pesky plot or shiny orange women to distract him from what he wants to see: MICHAELBAYROBOSPLOSIONS!

[SecondTalon]

From what I know of your son, even he will probably start calling "Bullshit" on the plot holes around the 3/4 mark. That said.. it's got alllllll kinds of BAYSPLOSION BLAWBOOO BOOOOOM!!! in it, so there's that.

[thc]

Maybe I'm just not critical enough, but what plot holes are we talking about? Granted I didn't really care about plot, but I didn't think there were any serious transgressions.

[Muz]

Maybe I'm just not critical enough, but what plot holes are we talking about? Granted I didn't really care about plot, but I didn't think there were any serious transgressions.

Well, my own personal fridge moment (and maybe I just missed something, but...):

Spoiler:

If Megatron had made his deal with Sentinel Prime way back when The Ark left Cybertron--which he would have had to, given that SP is acting on the plan when he's revived--why in the heck did the Decepticons ever shoot the Arc down in the first place?

[Jesse]

Maybe I'm just not critical enough, but what plot holes are we talking about? Granted I didn't really care about plot, but I didn't think there were any serious transgressions.

Well, my own personal fridge moment (and maybe I just missed something, but...):

Spoiler:

If Megatron had made his deal with Sentinel Prime way back when The Ark left Cybertron--which he would have had to, given that SP is acting on the plan when he's revived--why in the heck did the Decepticons ever shoot the Arc down in the first place?

Spoiler:

If Sentinel had already turned Decepticon, then why not take the leadership matrix from Optimus? Why leave him with one of the most powerful devices they know of?

The Decepticons knew Sentinel was still up there, but needed the Matrix to revive him. they needed to revive him because he was the only one who knew how to work the control pillar, so how does random human jerk start it back up at the end?

The bridge thing can transport stuff through TIME and space, so why grab the broken husk of Cybertron, why not just bring back the pre-war Cybertron?

Q gave Epps et al grappling hook devices, but not a single one of them thought to make use of them while they were sliding out of the building?

What the fuck was 'Q' even doing in the film? That's just an actual stolen character from another film, turned into a robot. That fucking annoyed me.

EDIT: Also, what the fuck?! Why were the Wreckers just a bunch of nationalistic stereotypes? The Wreckers are friggin AWESOME, but in this they may as well not even be there.

This was, quite honestly, the worst film I've ever seen. If it had been ninety minutes long I might have survived it, but I had to sit through over two hours of this godawful film. I'm never going to see a Michael Bay film again. I'd actually rather have gone to work than sat and watched this film.

[thc]

Spoiler:

If Megatron had made his deal with Sentinel Prime way back when The Ark left Cybertron--which he would have had to, given that SP is acting on the plan when he's revived--why in the heck did the Decepticons ever shoot the Arc down in the first place?

Maybe they planned on backstabbing SP but then realized they needed him to use the device. (I also don't actually recall it being said that the Arc was shot down by decepticons.)

If Sentinel had already turned Decepticon, then why not take the leadership matrix from Optimus? Why leave him with one of the most powerful devices they know of?

Maybe doing so would be uncharacteristic and set off Optimus on his betrayal? Maybe because Sentinel didn't think it could make a difference in battle and wasn't an ability he cared about. It's not like he had a lot of attachment to any particular autobot or decepticon.

The Decepticons knew Sentinel was still up there, but needed the Matrix to revive him. they needed to revive him because he was the only one who knew how to work the control pillar, so how does random human jerk start it back up at the end?

He didn't need to start it from scratch, all he needed to do was set it upright.

The bridge thing can transport stuff through TIME and space, so why grab the broken husk of Cybertron, why not just bring back the pre-war Cybertron?

This isn't really a plot hole since teleportation is science fiction regardless of whether it's through space or time. Insert random technobabble explanation here.

[mercuryseven]

Spoiler:

I still don't get the logic of SP turning down the Matrix... supposedly he is not going to be the leader. But towards the end of the movie, he keeps proclaiming himself the leader of Cybertron. He's going to have hard time gaining followers if Optimus still has the Matrix.

So granting that technobabble SF requires that it could only transport through space and not time. There is this major question mark during the final battle scene... the portal was *TURNED OFF* when Cybertron was halfway through... This could only mean that the planet was chopped off halfway in the process? When that random human dude switched it back on again, Cybertron continued through as if nothing happened.

I already forgotten what happened in the first two movies, but doesn't all their actions in this movie contradicts the first two stories? Whatever happened to The Cube? Why didn't they try to open the portal back in Transformers 1? If they're calling this a trilogy, this has to be the worse trilogy ever.

Edit: I had a spoiler tag mismatch, and my post leaked out in the open for about a few seconds...so I hope nobody got spoiled by that.

[Adacore]

Edit: I had a spoiler tag mismatch, and my post leaked out in the open for about a few seconds...so I hope nobody got spoiled by that.

Is it even possible to have a spoiler for a Transformers film? I mean, I've not seen this one (yet, I don't know if I ever will), but I'm pretty sure I can predict the plot despite having read next to nothing about it:

Let's see - Evil Decepticon that everyone thought was dead reappears and tries to destroy/conquer the planet/universe. Gormless and poorly acted humans (one of which is Shia LeBouf, the other being a 'hot' woman whose breasts and ass Michael Bay spends half an hour ramming a camera into) stand around and don't really do very much (they probably have to persuade or subvert a corrupt or misguided military official somewhere along the line) but stand around and watch as lots of huge robots have a BAYSPLOSIONTASTIC fight for far longer than is reasonable cinema, then the Decepticons are defeated and the Autobots win.

How did I do?

EDIT: Oh, I forgot, there has to be at least some military-hardware fetishing at some point. Lots of US military with big guns of some variety.

[GhostWolfe]

Spoiler:

If Megatron had made his deal with Sentinel Prime way back when The Ark left Cybertron--which he would have had to, given that SP is acting on the plan when he's revived--why in the heck did the Decepticons ever shoot the Arc down in the first place?

I think that the information about Megatron and SP's deal was either intentionally kept from the decepticon peons, or the information was badly shared, and the ones who shot SP's ship down thought that's what they were supposed to do if they saw an Autobot ship trying to escape.

If Sentinel had already turned Decepticon, then why not take the leadership matrix from Optimus? Why leave him with one of the most powerful devices they know of?

Because at that stage, SP hadn't revealed the betrayal, and taking the Matrix might have been seen as suspicious. Good doesn't have a monopoly on doing dumb stuff for the sake of plot

The Decepticons knew Sentinel was still up there, but needed the Matrix to revive him. they needed to revive him because he was the only one who knew how to work the control pillar, so how does random human jerk start it back up at the end?

I see it as more like SP is the only one who knows how to build a computer, or iuse it effectively, but any random idiot can boot it up.

Still not enough giant freaking robots, but I really enjoyed myself.

/angell

[AvatarIII]

Actually I mostly enjoyed the side characters:

Spoiler:

-Wash Alan Tudyk! When he appeared, my mind was going "Wash! Wash!..." then I saw him acting as this quirky but lethal guy with a German accent, I'm sold, and I enjoyed all his scenes.

Spoiler:

maybe he was Alpha drawing on a lethal german personality?

[mercuryseven]

Is it even possible to have a spoiler for a Transformers film? I mean, I've not seen this one (yet, I don't know if I ever will), but I'm pretty sure I can predict the plot despite having read next to nothing about it:

I don't know.... some people may be really serious about spoilers.

Let's see - Evil Decepticon that everyone thought was dead reappears and tries to destroy/conquer the planet/universe. Gormless and poorly acted humans (one of which is Shia LeBouf, the other being a 'hot' woman whose breasts and ass Michael Bay spends half an hour ramming a camera into) stand around and don't really do very much (they probably have to persuade or subvert a corrupt or misguided military official somewhere along the line) but stand around and watch as lots of huge robots have a BAYSPLOSIONTASTIC fight for far longer than is reasonable cinema, then the Decepticons are defeated and the Autobots win.

How did I do?

You nailed it. Especially about the "hot" woman. One of the first scene was a prolonged take literally focused on her ass, while she walked around the house. But I'm a guy, so I probably shouldn't be complaining about these things...

Actually I mostly enjoyed the side characters:

Spoiler:

-Wash Alan Tudyk! When he appeared, my mind was going "Wash! Wash!..." then I saw him acting as this quirky but lethal guy with a German accent, I'm sold, and I enjoyed all his scenes.

Spoiler:

maybe he was Alpha drawing on a lethal german personality?

Spoiler:

Not sure about Alpha...since for the most part he was playing the "competent bodyguard" role. Still there was one scene he snapped and went a bit crazy for a moment, but it happened too quickly and I don't remember much of it.

[Mighty Jalapeno]

Is the new female 'lead' orange as well?

[Viae]

Yeah, basically. And this has got to be up there among the worst films I've ever seen. Absolutely dire. So, so long winded and full of its own importance, and the tattered American flag still flying strong post city smashing made me want to punch someone. Preferably Michael Bay

[thc]

Yeah, basically. And this has got to be up there among the worst films I've ever seen. Absolutely dire. So, so long winded and full of its own importance, and the tattered American flag still flying strong post city smashing made me want to punch someone. Preferably Michael Bay

I completely disagree with you. I watched it in IMAX 3D, so maybe my experience was different. During the scenes where they were falling off a building, I felt like I was falling too. It was like a roller coaster. It was fun. The film was clearly about special effects and the "WOW" factor. I don't understand why people go in to these sorts of films expecting plot or subtlety or act surprised when the male gaze is plastered all over the place. (Although the intro was definitely cool in its own respect.)

Full of its own importance? I don't see it. I've been musing about comparing this film with Avatar. Both were beautiful, yet had paper thin plot and characters. Yet I liked this film, and not Avatar. I think that's because Avatar tried to be about plot, but failed miserably, whereas Transformers never tried to be about plot. There wasn't any attempt at a deeper message or moral of the story, like there was in Avatar.

By the way, I just had a great idea: any time one critiques or praises a movie, one should have a disclaimer saying, on a scale of 1-10, how much one likes Avatar. That would save me a lot of time.

[Viae]

I watched it in 3D as well, and the action simply came too late/sporadically to be interesting. I came in looking for 90 minutes of robots beating the shit out of each other, and I only found three (short) sequences containing aforementioned beating that were at all memorable. It's not those bits I object to, and I wouldn't complain at the absence of a plot or message. But with two and a half hours there was clearly some attempt at a plot or message, and it was dire.

Spoiler:

Optimus Prime ripping through the decepticons, the motorway chase, and the one with the absurd "Class Dismissed" quip, if you were wondering.

[mercuryseven]

Yeah, basically. And this has got to be up there among the worst films I've ever seen. Absolutely dire. So, so long winded and full of its own importance, and the tattered American flag still flying strong post city smashing made me want to punch someone. Preferably Michael Bay

I completely disagree with you. I watched it in IMAX 3D, so maybe my experience was different. During the scenes where they were falling off a building, I felt like I was falling too. It was like a roller coaster. It was fun. The film was clearly about special effects and the "WOW" factor. I don't understand why people go in to these sorts of films expecting plot or subtlety or act surprised when the male gaze is plastered all over the place. (Although the intro was definitely cool in its own respect.)

Full of its own importance? I don't see it. I've been musing about comparing this film with Avatar. Both were beautiful, yet had paper thin plot and characters. Yet I liked this film, and not Avatar. I think that's because Avatar tried to be about plot, but failed miserably, whereas Transformers never tried to be about plot. There wasn't any attempt at a deeper message or moral of the story, like there was in Avatar.

By the way, I just had a great idea: any time one critiques or praises a movie, one should have a disclaimer saying, on a scale of 1-10, how much one likes Avatar. That would save me a lot of time.

Yeah, I think this time I didn't hate the movie this time because I already expected the plot to be full of crap, so my expectation wasn't high enough to be disappointed. However I was disappointed by Avatar because it was by James Cameron. He pulled off Aliens, Terminator, Titanic really well...Avatar pales by comparison to his other films.

I did get the sense that Transformers 3 was kinda full of its own importance. At the beginning of the movie, it's like "look at me! I tied real life historical event to the Transformers story! I'm a genius!!!". But that's my own subjective opinion...

This thing just occured to me: they keep saying the Transformers ship crashed on the far side of the moon, yet Apollo 11 is clearly shown to be landed right next to it. But Apollo 11 landed on the Sea of Tranquility, which on the side that faces the Earth!

[el_loco_avs]

Yeah, basically. And this has got to be up there among the worst films I've ever seen. Absolutely dire. So, so long winded and full of its own importance, and the tattered American flag still flying strong post city smashing made me want to punch someone. Preferably Michael Bay

I completely disagree with you. I watched it in IMAX 3D, so maybe my experience was different. During the scenes where they were falling off a building, I felt like I was falling too. It was like a roller coaster. It was fun. The film was clearly about special effects and the "WOW" factor. I don't understand why people go in to these sorts of films expecting plot or subtlety or act surprised when the male gaze is plastered all over the place. (Although the intro was definitely cool in its own respect.)

Full of its own importance? I don't see it. I've been musing about comparing this film with Avatar. Both were beautiful, yet had paper thin plot and characters. Yet I liked this film, and not Avatar. I think that's because Avatar tried to be about plot, but failed miserably, whereas Transformers never tried to be about plot. There wasn't any attempt at a deeper message or moral of the story, like there was in Avatar.

By the way, I just had a great idea: any time one critiques or praises a movie, one should have a disclaimer saying, on a scale of 1-10, how much one likes Avatar. That would save me a lot of time.

Yeah, I think this time I didn't hate the movie this time because I already expected the plot to be full of crap, so my expectation wasn't high enough to be disappointed. However I was disappointed by Avatar because it was by James Cameron. He pulled off Aliens, Terminator, Titanic really well...Avatar pales by comparison to his other films.

I did get the sense that Transformers 3 was kinda full of its own importance. At the beginning of the movie, it's like "look at me! I tied real life historical event to the Transformers story! I'm a genius!!!". But that's my own subjective opinion...

This thing just occured to me: they keep saying the Transformers ship crashed on the far side of the moon, yet Apollo 11 is clearly shown to be landed right next to it. But Apollo 11 landed on the Sea of Tranquility, which on the side that faces the Earth!

There are infinite numbers of idiotic stuff like that in the movie. You gotta turn of your brain to watch this franchise.

I had fun. LOVED all the cameos.

[SecondTalon]

The film was clearly about special effects and the "WOW" factor. I don't understand why people go in to these sorts of films expecting plot or subtlety or act surprised when the male gaze is plastered all over the place.

Because fancy special effects and tits everywhere work just as well in shit writing as they do in quality writing. The difference is that quality writing doesn't jar people right out of the movie with cries of "What the fuck was that?"

Shit writing? Oh yeah, you will be aware that you're watching a movie. A bad movie.

There are infinite numbers of idiotic stuff like that in the movie. You gotta turn of your brain to watch this franchise.

I had fun. LOVED all the cameos.

Don't even try to bring that "Just turn your brain off" shit into this forum.

[GhostWolfe]

I really hate that article. How is it unfair to say that something is a "brain off" movie? It doesn't mean that you have to turn your brain off, but that you're probably not going to like the movie much.

You enjoy picking the movie apart, and we enjoy drooling mindlessly while our eye holes gorge on movie fast food. I don't see how one invalidates the other.[/grump]

/angell

[Jesse]

What the article is saying is that tthey don't invalidate one another. It's annoying when those of us who enjoy analysing movies constantly come up against people who say that we're not supposed to do that, like we're somehow intentionally ruining their enjoyment of the film. Posting in the thread to say that it's a brain off movie is fine, that gives information, but if someone validly criticises a film on artistic merit, with evidence to back it, then being told "Why do you care? Just switch your brain off." is really, really friggin' annoying. Especially for those of us who cannot do it.

[el_loco_avs]

What the article is saying is that tthey don't invalidate one another. It's annoying when those of us who enjoy analysing movies constantly come up against people who say that we're not supposed to do that, like we're somehow intentionally ruining their enjoyment of the film. Posting in the thread to say that it's a brain off movie is fine, that gives information, but if someone validly criticises a film on artistic merit, with evidence to back it, then being told "Why do you care? Just switch your brain off." is really, really friggin' annoying. Especially for those of us who cannot do it.

My point was more in the lines of it being the third movie. Being surprised at the faults at this points is kinda weird to me, I guess. They did the exact same things in the first two movies (Hoover Dam, pyramids etc). I don't see why you would expect to see quality writing.

[Jesse]

I didn't, except the internet was full of people going "Oh my god, it's so much better than the first two" which turned out to be complete lies. I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't been surrounded by people telling me how amazing it was this time.

[el_loco_avs]

I didn't, except the internet was full of people going "Oh my god, it's so much better than the first two" which turned out to be complete lies. I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't been surrounded by people telling me how amazing it was this time.

Eh. I think it's a liiittle better than number two. Not better than number one though. Definately not "amazing" by any means.

[mercuryseven]

The film was clearly about special effects and the "WOW" factor. I don't understand why people go in to these sorts of films expecting plot or subtlety or act surprised when the male gaze is plastered all over the place.

Because fancy special effects and tits everywhere work just as well in shit writing as they do in quality writing. The difference is that quality writing doesn't jar people right out of the movie with cries of "What the fuck was that?"

Shit writing? Oh yeah, you will be aware that you're watching a movie. A bad movie

I'm a guy, and I'm never convinced that tits+explosions are *all* guys need for a movie. Because otherwise we would simply watch Mythbusters and porn in succession. People want to watch movies, to have fun with the stories and characters and all.

[GhostWolfe]

I didn't, except the internet was full of people going "Oh my god, it's so much better than the first two" which turned out to be complete lies. I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't been surrounded by people telling me how amazing it was this time.

I believe it was significantly better than the second, but significantly better on the scale of "brain off" movies generally isn't enough to be passable for the analysers.

What the article is saying is that they don't invalidate one another.

Sorry, I just find that article to be rudely written, and the author seems to be writing from the position that we non-analysers are such inferior people that we should just GTFO. But I've been known to be overly-sensitive about these types of things.

/angell

[TheAmazingRando]

My biggest problem with "brain off" movies is that, most of the time, they don't even deliver what they promised. I'm plenty willing to shut off all analysis and be wowed by special effects. I haven't seen this one, but when I saw Transformers 1 and 2, I was bored, which is the cardinal sin of any blockbuster.

I've paid to see more stupid action movies that I would like to admit, and each time I tell myself "it's going to be stupid, but that doesn't matter, it'll be fun," I strip myself of any and all expectations of artistic merit, and halfway through I wonder why there's so much talking and why there's so little action. I'd be cool with a movie that was just mindless action from start to finish, but even the most Bay-tastic movies out there waste way too much time on exposition I don't care about. If it isn't action, and it isn't bridging one action scene to another, or else setting up an even bigger one in the future, or badass one-liners, or maybe a quick and dirty trick to get me emotionally attached to a character, it doesn't belong in your movie. It's like a breach of contract. If you expect me to ignore your shitty writing and half-assed plot, you'd better keep them as minimal as possible, or else my brainless entertain-me state is going to get bored. If you don't have good writing or a good plot, it should be because you're taking all the time you should be spending on plot, and spending it on action instead. If you're going to devote just as much time to exposition and dialog as, say, one of James Cameron's classic action movies, which are actually fun to watch, you have no excuse for not making it worth my time.

[thc]

Because fancy special effects and tits everywhere work just as well in shit writing as they do in quality writing. The difference is that quality writing doesn't jar people right out of the movie with cries of "What the fuck was that?"

Shit writing? Oh yeah, you will be aware that you're watching a movie. A bad movie.

How about giving some specific examples? You stated earlier that there were tons of plot holes; no one in this thread has come up with a plot hole that I would consider even close to game breaking.

I noticed cliches, I noticed male gaze, and yes, I noticed bad writing. But what it comes down to? The fact that I came away from this movie thinking "wow, that was pretty cool." I don't have to justify what the pleasure centers in my brain get off to. I can attempt to explain it though:

And that is, there were more than enough actions scenes to satisfy my explosion needs. I didn't feel there were any plot holes that broke immersion, and I didn't even think the acting was particularly bad (for the most part).

If you want to be convincing that the movie was bad, you're going to have to come up with specifics. Things that will make me think "oh yeah, why didn't I notice how X, Y and Z didn't make any sense." And so far, no one has done that.

[Vapour]

Spoiler:

The best part was when Starscream died. He was an asshole.

[mercuryseven]

Spoiler:

The best part was when Starscream died. He was an asshole.

Man, I forgot when exactly did that happen. Here's another problem I had with this current version of the transformers - is that they all look the same! Or do I really suck at recognizing robots?

[Vapour]

Spoiler:

The best part was when Starscream died. He was an asshole.

Man, I forgot when exactly did that happen. Here's another problem I had with this current version of the transformers - is that they all look the same! Or do I really suck at recognizing robots?

Spoiler:

Grappling hook to the one eye, then one of those sticky bombs to the other eye. Happened near the end.

[SecondTalon]

How about giving some specific examples? You stated earlier that there were tons of plot holes; no one in this thread has come up with a plot hole that I would consider even close to game breaking.

You know, at this point - I have no idea. I say that because I saw this with several people at a Drive In. Movie was goddam Looooooooong, though I don't know the precise running time.

I say this because I was conversing with someone else who had seen it and mentioned a pretty jarring skip, only to have him look at me like I was crazy and describe a scene I did not see that pretty much explained it.

So for all I know all of the plot holes I saw were because the Drive In needed a 2:45 movie and not a 3:00 one, so they just cut "minor" scenes here and there or something. Maybe there aren't any plot holes. Maybe purple is orange and down is up, I don't know.

I do, however, don't understand why...

Spoiler:

the big threat was that Cybertron was going to be summoned and the victorious Decepticons would then use Earth to rebuilt it or something. No one seemed concerned about dropping something as massive as a fucking planet into the orbit of another, possibly smaller planet, with no regards to things like momentum, orbits and whatnot - basically assuring that the two worlds were going to smash into each other in a way neither one was likely to survive.

And fuck, let's just say that MAGIC put Earth and Cybertron in orbit of each other or something.... the hell that's going to play on the tides alone is going to fuck up all kinds of shit. That alone would probably kill all kinds of shit on the planet, thus making the slave labor thing kinda useless.... maybe I should have seen the second one to figure out what happened to the Cube, and why the plan wasn't to just use it to make more bots to harvest the metals in the planet to make more bots and.. humans? Who gives a fuck STEEL FOR THE STEEL THRONE! METAL FOR THE METAL GOD!

[Endless Mike]

I am going to try it out in Universal Sandbox and see what happens!

[GhostWolfe]

I do, however, don't understand why...

Spoiler:

the big threat was that Cybertron was going to be summoned and the victorious Decepticons would then use Earth to rebuilt it or something. No one seemed concerned about dropping something as massive as a fucking planet into the orbit of another, possibly smaller planet, with no regards to things like momentum, orbits and whatnot - basically assuring that the two worlds were going to smash into each other in a way neither one was likely to survive.

And fuck, let's just say that MAGIC put Earth and Cybertron in orbit of each other or something.... the hell that's going to play on the tides alone is going to fuck up all kinds of shit. That alone would probably kill all kinds of shit on the planet, thus making the slave labor thing kinda useless.... maybe I should have seen the second one to figure out what happened to the Cube, and why the plan wasn't to just use it to make more bots to harvest the metals in the planet to make more bots and.. humans? Who gives a fuck STEEL FOR THE STEEL THRONE! METAL FOR THE METAL GOD!

You know, I thought it would have been *awesome* if

Spoiler:

They were going to "cage" the constructed part of Cybertron around Earth. But then it started emerging from the portal thingy the wrong way, and I was all like "wait, there's not enough room for... oh! shiny robots!"

/angell

[SecondTalon]

I do, however, don't understand why...

Spoiler:

the big threat was that Cybertron was going to be summoned and the victorious Decepticons would then use Earth to rebuilt it or something. No one seemed concerned about dropping something as massive as a fucking planet into the orbit of another, possibly smaller planet, with no regards to things like momentum, orbits and whatnot - basically assuring that the two worlds were going to smash into each other in a way neither one was likely to survive.

And fuck, let's just say that MAGIC put Earth and Cybertron in orbit of each other or something.... the hell that's going to play on the tides alone is going to fuck up all kinds of shit. That alone would probably kill all kinds of shit on the planet, thus making the slave labor thing kinda useless.... maybe I should have seen the second one to figure out what happened to the Cube, and why the plan wasn't to just use it to make more bots to harvest the metals in the planet to make more bots and.. humans? Who gives a fuck STEEL FOR THE STEEL THRONE! METAL FOR THE METAL GOD!

You know, I thought it would have been *awesome* if

Spoiler:

They were going to "cage" the constructed part of Cybertron around Earth. But then it started emerging from the portal thingy the wrong way, and I was all like "wait, there's not enough room for... oh! shiny robots!"

And that would make sense given

Spoiler:

The distribution of the nodes

[Kyubey]

Okay. I am a transformers G1 (generation 1) fan, so I've seen all of the movies as soon as they hit theatres.

I hated the last two. They were bad, really bad, but this one sets a new low. The movie was terrible - poorly written, and blasphemous to transformers several times (The bit in the beginning where the autobots were fighting/killing humans? What the hell!? That's breaking one of the UNBREAKABLE laws of transformers - the autobots never harm humans, ever.) By the end of the movie I felt insulted and filled with rage over the whole thing.

Do not watch this movie, especially if you love transformers.

I do, however, don't understand why...

Spoiler:

the big threat was that Cybertron was going to be summoned and the victorious Decepticons would then use Earth to rebuilt it or something. No one seemed concerned about dropping something as massive as a fucking planet into the orbit of another, possibly smaller planet, with no regards to things like momentum, orbits and whatnot - basically assuring that the two worlds were going to smash into each other in a way neither one was likely to survive.

And fuck, let's just say that MAGIC put Earth and Cybertron in orbit of each other or something.... the hell that's going to play on the tides alone is going to fuck up all kinds of shit. That alone would probably kill all kinds of shit on the planet, thus making the slave labor thing kinda useless.... maybe I should have seen the second one to figure out what happened to the Cube, and why the plan wasn't to just use it to make more bots to harvest the metals in the planet to make more bots and.. humans? Who gives a fuck STEEL FOR THE STEEL THRONE! METAL FOR THE METAL GOD!

Spoiler:

this was actually copied from a G1 episode, where they used a space bridge to bring cybertron into earth's orbit - They succeeded, and it caused massive environmental damage with tides and earthquakes and the like - and cybertron was smaller then earth in this one. It didn't quite make perfect sense (especially how they got it out of earth's orbit) but it was entertaining and remains one of my favorite series of episodes (it was a multiparter) to this day.

In this movie, it was just stupid. Like they wanted to appeal to G1 fans after spending the whole rest of the movie shitting all over them.

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[Mighty Jalapeno]

I went for the special effects.

I enjoyed the special effect.

I enjoyed Wash.

NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED! PUNCH WAS SERVED!

[Angua]

I went for the special effects, which I enjoyed. It was quite long though.

Spoiler:

I thought that all the Spock references were funny, if somewhat out of place. Maybe they had to do it so Leonard Nimoy would do the voice of Sentinel Prime?

[SecondTalon]

Spoiler:

Why? He voiced Galvatron back in the Animated Movie. I doubt he'd have a problem doing it again. Frankly, I figured Sentinel was going to be bad naughty evil turncoat when he opened his mouth. "Oh, Leonard Nimoy. Yeah, Sentinel's a bad guy somehow."