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by **Ibarra** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:02 am UTC

Give Turnip to weiyaoli.

I'm all up for lynching cjdrum today. He's acting questionably today.
I'm fine with a Lorenz lynch too, but I kind of disagree with your statement webby that being unlychable is too overpowered for scum.
Unlynchability is a scum/independent given power.

by **webby** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:51 am UTC

Ibarra wrote:Give Turnip to weiyaoli.

I'm all up for lynching cjdrum today. He's acting questionably today.
I'm fine with a Lorenz lynch too, but I kind of disagree with your statement webby that being unlychable is too overpowered for scum.
Unlynchability is a scum/independent given power.

One shot unlynchability, yes, and maybe for an independent, but unlynchable scum is like a confirmed bulletproof townie - how do you kill them?

by **Ibarra** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:37 pm UTC

Perhaps certain conditions must be fulfilled before killing them.

On the top of my head:
Maybe an enabler must be killed?
Maybe some event has to happen?
Maybe someone has to do an action to him?
Maybe there's a time limit?

by **webby** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:44 pm UTC

Ibarra wrote:Perhaps certain conditions must be fulfilled before killing them.

On the top of my head:
Maybe an enabler must be killed?
Maybe some event has to happen?
Maybe someone has to do an action to him?
Maybe there's a time limit?

All plausible, they all fit independent/serial killer roles.

I'm happy to lynch cjdrum if people don't think it's worth lynching Lorenz again.

by **cjdrum** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:21 am UTC

Ibarra wrote:I'm fine with a Lorenz lynch too, but I kind of disagree with your statement webby that being unlychable is too overpowered for scum.
Unlynchability is a scum/independent given power.

So... You say that an unlynchability is a scum power, yet don't want to lynch him?

FoS: Ibarra

If we were to lynch Lorenz today, there would be two possible outcomes (according to your reasoning):
1. Lorenz is permanently unlynchable - most likely confirming him as Town
2. Lorenz gets lynched and flips scum

It's a win/win scenario.

by **weiyaoli** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:44 am UTC

Lataro wrote:Ibarra hands you a turnip.
This turnip is the smallest one you've every seen. Around the size of a fingernail.
But somehow, it has this "elegance". An indescribable beauty.
You think that it eating it could make you so influential that you cannot be targeted by an action the night phase after you eat it, but it may also backfire and make you unable to do an action that Night.

You must decide to eat it, or discard it.

Looks like the same choice. I think I'll take it and see what happens, if I get poisoned or something not above we'll know Ibarra was lying about their ability.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:42 am UTC

To me, it sounds like there is a 50/50 chance to flip either way Wei. I'm pretty sure Ibarra hasn't claimed to know which way it'll flip, and I suspect that the mod will randomly choose. If it does do something else (not NK immune or not poison) though then that would indicate a lie.

@cjdrum, if Lorenz is permanently unlynchable, why does that make him more likely to be town? Telling the truth about your role doesn't make you more townie, it is an entirely neutral thing. Lieing about your (or another persons) role on the other hand is scummy. Also, It's not win/win because we will have wasted two lynches on trying to lynch an unlynchable (which will not indicate whether he is town or scum at all), and we don't know for certain Lorenz is scum so even if we do successfully lynch him, he might still be town (so would result in a mislynch).

Vote: cjdrum

You flipped from lynching Ibarra to lynching Lorenz. Your reasoning for a Lorenz lynch is bad. You tried to cause a possible NL (or worse) yesterday by putting Lataro to L-1, which Lorenz could have hammered if he was scum and lieing about his power to give him another day tomorrow. Generally a lack of townie vibes today, you seem intent on lynching Lorenz even though it was unsuccessful yesterday possibly causing another NL.

by **Ibarra** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:18 am UTC

cjdrum wrote:
Ibarra wrote:I'm fine with a Lorenz lynch too, but I kind of disagree with your statement webby that being unlychable is too overpowered for scum.
Unlynchability is a scum/independent given power.

So... You say that an unlynchability is a scum power, yet don't want to lynch him?

Did you even read the part you just quoted? Let me bold it for you.

cjdrum wrote:If we were to lynch Lorenz today, there would be two possible outcomes (according to your reasoning):
1. Lorenz is permanently unlynchable - most likely confirming him as Town
2. Lorenz gets lynched and flips scum

It's a win/win scenario.

I still disagree with that. Unlynchability is a scum power. It lasting permanently doesn't mean it's a town role. (See reasoning above)

by **weiyaoli** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:29 am UTC

Well it looks like it was one of the two above.

I think cjdrum/FAOT is the most suspicious at this point. I think I lean on the side of cjdrum at this point in time but won't vote because I'm not sure it won't be hammer.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:59 am UTC

Me? Care to expand?

by **Lataro** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:06 pm UTC

The following players are on my shit list:

e_e: last post, sunday
Lorenz: no post yet, asked for 48 hours five days ago

The following are almost on my shit list:

cj: last post, monday
webby: last post, monday

prods are being sent to e_e and lorenz, failure to post content in 24 hours will result in a swift and merciless modkill.

Votals:

Lataro -2- (e_e)
Lorenz -1- (cjdrum)
cjdrum -1- (FAOT)

Seven alive, four to lynch.

Deadline in ~57 hours.

by **existential_elevator** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:03 pm UTC

A mod prod, you say?

Okay, I'll make this easy. Who does or does not support lynching Lataro?

If you don't support a Lataro lynch, I support a you lynch. It's pretty straightforward.

by **Lorenz** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:20 pm UTC

Hi all, sorry for inactivity. I lost two flights, and got home yesterday. I have now started classes again.

I say again, I am unlynchable no matter what. You may test this as often as you like but we'll just be losing lynches.

I think Cjdrum has been acting the scummiest, He didn't want to lynch me (even though I did look really bad), then he did.
Vote: Cjdrum

If Ibarra's veggie is eaten and the effects are what weiy is told, then my doubts on Ibarra will completely vanish.

by **Lorenz** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:24 pm UTC

And no, I don't support a Lataro lynch, even if that means you want to lynch me

.

by **weiyaoli** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:46 pm UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:Me? Care to expand?

I roleblocked you yesterday, and there was no kill. Could be coincidence but could also be telling. However, cjdrum has actually been pretty scummy I think so he edges out what could be just coincidental evidence.

by **cjdrum** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:13 pm UTC

I haven't posted here in that long? Oops :/

I wish I could tell you what the deal with all this is, but I literally am unable. I've kind of got a... Thing, and if you're just lynching me because of that, then I'd like you to reconsider.

Now, I haven't really heard why you are lynching me other than "is scummy" - nothing more? Expansion please?

by **ForAllOfThis** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:27 pm UTC

weiyaoli wrote:
ForAllOfThis wrote:Me? Care to expand?

I roleblocked you yesterday, and there was no kill. Could be coincidence but could also be telling. However, cjdrum has actually been pretty scummy I think so he edges out what could be just coincidental evidence.

Ah I thought it might be the roleblock thing, but wasn't sure. Anything I say on that matter will just be wine and making any plans to test this (by roleblocking elsewhere, or roleblocking me again) can be used by scum.

Is CJ suggesting that he's being mind controlled / vote controlled? He's certainly acting like he is. Doesn't explain the weird behaviour D1 though, like changing lynch targets, putting Lataro to L-1 etc. Could be a gambit of sorts as well.

by **webby** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:22 pm UTC

Oops, didn't realise I hadn't posted in a couple of days.

I suspected cjdrum had a 'thing', but that doesn't tell us what role he has. Also, don't rule out the possibility that he's hiding behind his 'thing' to get away with saying things that he otherwise couldn't.

FOAT getting roleblocked is suspicious if there aren't any other doctor/roleblocker roles in the game, and there's a scum faction with a nightkill as in normal games.

I still can't help but want to lynch Lorenz.

But at this stage I'd probably want to lynch cjdrum, then we can see whether there are any nightkills etc. and decide what to do with FOAT tomorrow.

by **Ibarra** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:43 am UTC

I'm really preferring a cjdrum lynch now.
We can wait to lynch Lorenz tomorrow.
I really think Lorenz is scum, but cjdrum's overall weirdness is pinging me more.

Incidentally Lorenz, can you remove your vote on cjdrum?
e_e is a double-voter and we don't want any sudden hammers.
FoS: Lorenz

Also I'm thinking about Lorenz' ability...
Will post more about my thoughts when I can sort it out in my mind.

by **cjdrum** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:58 pm UTC

Weirdness. Not. cj's. Fault.

by **webby** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:28 am UTC

Deadline is tomorrow - less than 24 hours away.

I'm still completely unsure on whether to vote for Lorenz or cjdrum. I think it's heading towards a cjdrum lynch right now, so I think I'd like cjdrum to claim his game and as much of the reasoning behind the posting restriction as possible. Do people agree with this?

by **Lorenz** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:34 am UTC

Ibarra wrote:Incidentally Lorenz, can you remove your vote on cjdrum?

Well, I am not being able to log on very often, so removing my vote would just end up with me not voting. I doubt e_e would just hammer anyway, as it would raise a lot of suspicion on her. I would much rather have my vote cast on whoever I find the scummiest than not voting. I really can't find anything that is consistent as a post restriction on cj... It looks like a way to hide imo.

by **cjdrum** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:46 am UTC

No, not really a posting restriction.
A thing, and I really can't tell you.

I could claim my game if you'd like. I'd be fine with that. I'll just see if you all are first

by **webby** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:06 pm UTC

The deadline is early enough in the morning my time that I'm not likely to be awake to vote.

I'm not sure that the way cjdrum is posting makes him any more or less likely to be scum than the average. He could be lying, or he could actually have a 'thing' - I'm not quite sure which. As I well know, he does forbid certain things from being revealed, under threat of modkill. The only thing that's pointing him towards being scum is the flavour thing about the imposter, and that could easily have just been Lataro's wine.

The alternatives are Lataro, which would give e_e her win, but I assume would be the same as a NL (we maybe need to be slightly careful here though, who knows what the consequences of lynching the mod are), or try to lynch Lorenz again. I'm not sure that Lorenz's unlynchability is necessarily scummy in itself either, especially if it turns out to be one-shot but he was acting scummy enough to lynch him yesterday. Given that nobody died last night, I'm prepared to try lynching him again and seeing if it's one-shot. The problem, I guess, is that it puts a huge target on him for the nightkill if he's town and can't be lynched, but the same logic would apply if we assumed he was telling the truth and decided he was permanently unlynchable - in that sense, the target is already placed. So:

Vote: Lorenz

by **Lataro** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:15 pm UTC

Votals:

Lataro -2- (e_e)
Lorenz -2- (cjdrum, webby)
cjdrum -2- (FAOT, Lorenz)

Seven alive, four to lynch.

Deadline in less than an hour.

Ties result in every living player being modkilled and losing, possibly.Due to the mod being annoyed at how incredibly inactive every single person is being, barely skirting the requirements to not get prodded/killed, while producing virtually no content, analysis, or anything else that shows interest in the game.

by **weiyaoli** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:14 pm UTC

Vote: cjdrum

I'm not sure why cjdrum is being weird. The vague thing is a bit suspicious too.

by **Lataro** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:08 am UTC

cjdrum was lynched, results in the morning. Get actions in ASAP.

by **Lataro** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:30 am UTC

As they awoke to see the aftermath of their actions the day before, saw a dead hobbit with it's sword positioned in a phallic manner, they could not help but find this amusing.

Cjdrum was LOTR blah blah blah. Indie Jester that bonus won if he was lynched D3.

As those of them that were town realized whom they had dispatched, they couldn't help but feel like that had been used and toyed with, for this rather comical hobbit was not one of their enemies, and his death served no purpose.

Noticing that the rest of them remained, they decided if at first you don't succeed, try, and then, try again.

It is now D3. Deadline is ~6PM EST Friday.

Six alive, four to lynch.

by **Ibarra** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:55 am UTC

Nothing happened during the Night again?
wei: Did you roleblock someone again?

by **weiyaoli** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:46 am UTC

Ibarra wrote:Nothing happened during the Night again?
wei: Did you roleblock someone again?

No, I was roleblocked during the night by your turnip.

by **weiyaoli** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:54 am UTC

EBWOP:

Possibilities:
1) There is a protective role and they have been successful two nights in a row.
2) I successfully roleblocked a kill yesterday and today scum withheld to spread wine about FAOT.
3) Scum withheld yesterday and again today to spread wine about FAOT.
4) There is no "scum" faction, but possibly lots of anti-town/neutral independents (i.e. jester, e_e's role)

I think 2) is probably most likely at this point. Scum didn't know I was roleblocked so could very well have just withheld to spread wine about FAOT.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:28 am UTC

I have no idea what the situation is with kills. Should have known CJ was a jester of some sort, acting way to weird. Just a recap of what we know about each player to make things easier for myself:

Lorenz - Lynch immune
e_e - Double Vote, Independent
Wei - Roleblocker
Ibarra - Harvest Moon / Present Giver

Me - No info
Webby - No info

Dead:
cjdrum - Jester

The problem is knowing someones role or power doesn't give indication to their alignment. At this moment, I'm inclined towards a Webby lynch today for a few reasons. The first is that he put us at a 2-2-2 lynch yesterday, which in a bastardry game is never a good scenario. Second, that's a very 'safe' play in that if a town player had ended up being lynched he would have looked less suspicous for not having the deciding vote. Also, at 2-2-2, either two people would have had to removed votes, one person would have had to change votes or Wei would have had to put his vote down. It's an incredibly dangerous situation the more I think about it. Third, the vote was for Lorenz, which if hadn't been a draw might have resulted in another NL.

Generally I'm not happy with your voting strategies towards the end of the day, Webby. Thinking more into it, had a vote change had to occur (say Wei hadn't logged on) then it would have been more likely that Lorenz or Lataro would have been lynched as e_e wouldn't have removed her vote so either me or Lorenz would have had to change to Lataro or Lorenz. Basically, what the hell were you thinking Webby?

@Wei: I thought you might have been a jailkeeper (roleblocks + protects) yesterday Wei, but I guess that isn't the case. Another possiblity on your scenarios though;

5) We have a NK immune player being repeatedly targeted.

The only comment I can make about the roleblock is that I wasn't informed of being roleblocked last night which means that Wei

by **ForAllOfThis** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:38 am UTC

EBWOP: unfinished post:

which means that Wei being roleblocked checks out with me (and I doubt anyone else was roleblocked during the night?). Of course there is also more possibilities thinking about it:

6) Wei is scum, withheld the roleblock last night to spread wine about Ibarra (possible, but I feel it's incredibly unlikely).

7) The vegetable does both things it states. It roleblocks someone and makes them night action immune. Possibly Wei was then targeted by the kill.

6) seems unlikely as Wei has been pretty forthcoming about who has been roleblocked, and Ibarra can confirm for us that he ate the vegetable. 7) On the other hand is a very real possibility. Were you told exactly the effects of the vegetable, or just that you were roleblocked during the night Wei?

by **webby** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:55 am UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:
The problem is knowing someones role or power doesn't give indication to their alignment. At this moment, I'm inclined towards a Webby lynch today for a few reasons. The first is that he put us at a 2-2-2 lynch yesterday, which in a bastardry game is never a good scenario. Second, that's a very 'safe' play in that if a town player had ended up being lynched he would have looked less suspicous for not having the deciding vote. Also, at 2-2-2, either two people would have had to removed votes, one person would have had to change votes or Wei would have had to put his vote down. It's an incredibly dangerous situation the more I think about it. Third, the vote was for Lorenz, which if hadn't been a draw might have resulted in another NL.

Generally I'm not happy with your voting strategies towards the end of the day, Webby. Thinking more into it, had a vote change had to occur (say Wei hadn't logged on) then it would have been more likely that Lorenz or Lataro would have been lynched as e_e wouldn't have removed her vote so either me or Lorenz would have had to change to Lataro or Lorenz. Basically, what the hell were you thinking Webby?

I was thinking that it was more than 10 hours until the deadline, and therefore plenty of time for the situation to change, especially as there were two people who hadn't voted yet (weiyaoli and Ibarra), who could make the decision - I don't think a tying vote that long before the deadline is a problem. Basically, I was the fourth person to vote out of six. I was also thinking, as turned out to be the case, that cjdrum's play was not scummy so much as it was strange, and that I didn't think he was any more or less likely to be scum than the average player. Basically I wanted to test whether Lorenz was actually lynch-immune, or whether it was limited-shot, because I'm pretty sure limited-shot immunity could be that he's the only scum in the game, while permanent lynch immunity could mean townie, although I would have expected him to be nightkilled by now.

With no nightkills, and only a jester lynched, we're effectively where we were at the start of the game. I still want to lynch Lorenz.

Btw two more possibilities:
- weiyaoli is scum who can either roleblock or kill each night, but not both.
- FOAT is scum and withheld the kill because it would look pretty suspicious if there wasn't a nightkill when he was roleblocked, and there was when he wasn't.

I reckon it's most likely either weiyaoli's option 2, or my last possibility.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:44 am UTC

webby wrote:Basically, I was the fourth person to vote out of six. I was also thinking, as turned out to be the case, that cjdrum's play was not scummy so much as it was strange, and that I didn't think he was any more or less likely to be scum than the average player.

Actually you were 5th person to vote. Wei was the 6th. I didn't realise Ibarra didn't vote yesterday, I counted votes assuming Wei was the last because I counted the double vote as two players. My mistake. If you didn't want to lynch CJ you should have just not voted rather than putting us in that difficult position. So my concerns about your voting yesterday still stand.

Why didn't you vote yesterday Ibarra? Especially as Wei's vote was very last minute. I could have understood had Wei's vote been quite early (as another vote would have caused a draw) but it wasn't.

I can clear up any wine surrounding me today if I go left un-roleblocked tonight. My power is publicly announced so everyone will see it. I'll reveal my entire role tomorrow despite what happens.

by **existential_elevator** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:47 am UTC

The possibility of excitement tomorrow makes me think we should let you live.

Hey, I know, let's get to your claim quicker by speed-lynching that worthless SOB Lataro. He's hardly provided any game content whatsoever.

by **weiyaoli** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:19 am UTC

Were you told exactly the effects of the vegetable, or just that you were roleblocked during the night Wei?

I was informed via PM that after eating the turnip I felt sick (sluggish and shutting down was the exact phrasing I think) and was roleblocked.

I think I still have reservations about Lorenz. I haven't seen a permanent unlynchability power here yet but plenty of one-shot ones. It's easy enough for him to lie and coast along without any danger of being lynched.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:15 pm UTC

I don't know about Lorenz yet. I'd still like more information on Webby after yesterdays play. Basically I think we should lynch someone we know we can lynch today, and then maybe look at lynching Lorenz again tomorrow if lynching someone else doesn't turn up anything.

by **Lorenz** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:20 pm UTC

Well, we should have seen that jester cjdrum coming.
I am in a bit of a dilema, as keeping myself alive later in the game can be problematic depending on scum's powers. There are much more scenarios than what have been stated. For example:
10) Scum has a single/limited amount of NKs

In this case, that I don't see too unlikely either, If I'm very suspected as scum and we're reaching end game, I will be probably a good lynch target, giving too much control for scum. So, I would not mind a me-lynch tonight. If no NK again, then we didn't loose anything, if there's a NK then it's as if we went through night one by lynching cjdrum and having that one NK. It's not the best but it's not a terrible choice either.

Weiy: Was the positive effect of the turnip the same as mine?

by **weiyaoli** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:32 pm UTC

I have posted the full PM already yesterday:

weiyaoli wrote:
Lataro wrote:Ibarra hands you a turnip.
This turnip is the smallest one you've every seen. Around the size of a fingernail.
But somehow, it has this "elegance". An indescribable beauty.
You think that it eating it could make you so influential that you cannot be targeted by an action the night phase after you eat it, but it may also backfire and make you unable to do an action that Night.

You must decide to eat it, or discard it.

Looks like the same choice. I think I'll take it and see what happens, if I get poisoned or something not above we'll know Ibarra was lying about their ability.

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