Lataro's PYP BASTARD RPG Game Over: Town Win.

[Gopher of Pern]

Sigh.

I suppose I could be wrong about Ibarra. It just seems so obvious to me that his posts are exactly what a scummy player would post. But I can see I'm getting nowhere with this.

Unvote

Vote: Lorenz

I'm more certain of Ibarra, but this is more for self-preservation, as lynching me wont help town.

[BoomFrog]

Well now we wait for Ibarra to hammer someone. Either way I'm happy with the amount of content from most people so we're looking at a pretty fruitful D2 probably.

[Lataro]

Votals:

Lorenz - 2 - (DBC, GoP)
GoP - 2 - (Lorenz, BF)

Deadline in ~35 hours from now.

[Ibarra]

Mod: I'll be away until Saturday (GMT+8).

Well given the choice of Lorenz or GoP, I would pick Lorenz as even though he only pinged me a little, he still pinged me.
Although Lorenz did attack me reasoning, I saw them as not inherently scummy. Though he did misrep parts of my post, I myself am sort of guilty of that and thus find it neutral.
Vote: Lorenz

[Lorenz]

What??? It was GoP who attacked your post... I was defending you... whatever. Can you lynch GoP tomorrow please?

[Lataro]

Lorenz has been lynched.

flavor in the morning.

It is now N1, please submit actions promptly.

[Lataro]

As the day drew on, two people had their backs against the cliff, as the inept lackies of God closed in. They both knew only one had to die, and the move was made.

With a great effort, Lorenz was hurled over the cliff. He seemed smug as he fell down, just before he was to be smashed on the rocks below though, he showed his true form. The Mana Beast was back, and ready for this. As he went to extend his wings though and fly to safety, a pain shot though him, causing him to free at that critical moment, and fall to his demise.

Lorenz was Secret of Mana, Scum Mana Beast. Took n-1 votes to die from a lynch, where n was the number of living players. He was also NK immune.

And some other guy tripped off the cliff and fell mutely to his death.

Misnomer has been modkilled. He was Pokemon Yellow, indie trainer. Controlled a doctor, a RB, a NK, a cop, and the ability to mason PM someone. One action was assigned to each living player as the correct action to use on them, and he could use one every day and every night. Gained half a win for each correct "super effective" use on the correct target.

Four alive, Three to lynch.

Deadline is ~8PM EST Friday.

[Ibarra]

Looks like that there's still anti-town here as the game didn't end yet.
Looking over the previous night there was no NK, unless someone protected someone else, or someone roleblocked someone else.
Thoughts?

[Gopher of Pern]

Well, thats 1 indie, and 1 scum out of the way, so looks like there is only 1 indie or scum left, unless there were 2 town to start with.

Interesting though; It should have taken 4 votes to kill Lorenz last night, and I only count 3. Someone must have a hidden vote, or be able to mess with the votals somehow. That could be very powerful, especially as we have so few players. Another possibility could be that because of the mod's bro claim, they lost their power? Boomfrog, could you confirm whether you lost your power yesterday?

Ibarra, I'm not sure what you meant with your last post. Did you mean: (changed part in italics)

Well given the choice of Lorenz or GoP, I would pick Lorenz as even though he only pinged me a little, he still pinged me.
Although GopherofPern did attack me reasoning, I saw them as not inherently scummy. Though he did misrep parts of my post, I myself am sort of guilty of that and thus find it neutral.
Vote: Lorenz

As otherwise it didn't make much sense.

I still have my eye on you, but We'll see what everyone has to say before I place any votes on.

[Ibarra]

Yes GoP. That's what I meant.

[BoomFrog]

I think it is likely I lost my power yesterday. I recived a confirmation from Lataro that he recived my PM but that's it. My power's results wouldn't nessesaraly be visable so I can't say for sure.

I am not a lyncher, and I am not scum.

This sounded to me like you're essentially claiming independent. Care to make a full claim and a case for why we shouldn't lynch you?

[DaBigCheez]

Well, good work us! Always nice to get scum D1. Small enough game that it was basically necessary, ofc.

GoP - it might have been n-1 players other than himself, which would explain the lynch nicely (although that would seem to be the same thing as "simple majority" in just about all cases in a game this size, or indeed easier); otherwise we may indeed have a secret doublevoter on the loose. No scum NK could mean a variety of things, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if Lorenz was the only "true" scum, and some independent win conditions are nonetheless either incompatible with a town win or we're playing to see who accomplishes what. It's the kind of thing I'd expect Lataro to do. Which means he probably didn't do it

The possibility that the Mod's Bro claim caused a roleblock is an interesting one, and could explain some things; I'd be looking slightly more askance at BoomFrog if so, considering the lack of a scum NK, but BoomFrog's at the top of my town list right now and it'd be a weak signal at best, considering the number of other explanations.

Unfortunately, my scumdar's batteries seem to be a bit low; GoP is looking a little better to me, after the interesting possibility of the broblock was raised, and is back up to neutral. BF remains leaning town, having made decent contributions. Ibarra's thinking is hard for me to follow at times, but I'm not counting this as a scumtell; I'd put them at "neutral leaning scummy".

[Ibarra]

Let's start off with:
Vote: GoP

It seems we're at a loss for discussion at the moment, so let's create some.
Both BF and DBC look townie to me, whereas GoP is neutral.
Also GoP, why are you so confident that there is only one indie/scum left?
You added a disclaimer at the end of your statement "unless there were 2 town to start with.", but I think you were almost sure in your statement?
That's at least what it seems like to me.

[Gopher of Pern]

I think it is likely I lost my power yesterday. I recived a confirmation from Lataro that he recived my PM but that's it. My power's results wouldn't nessesaraly be visable so I can't say for sure.

I am not a lyncher, and I am not scum.

This sounded to me like you're essentially claiming independent. Care to make a full claim and a case for why we shouldn't lynch you?

I would prefer not to, but if it makes everyone feel better I will. I will confirm though, I am Town.

Let's start off with:
Vote: GoP

It seems we're at a loss for discussion at the moment, so let's create some.
Both BF and DBC look townie to me, whereas GoP is neutral.
Also GoP, why are you so confident that there is only one indie/scum left?
You added a disclaimer at the end of your statement "unless there were 2 town to start with.", but I think you were almost sure in your statement?
That's at least what it seems like to me.

Because, 3 town v 3 scum/indy sounds balanced to me. I'd say its the most probable, but I'm not ruling out other possibilities.

Ibarra, you seem to be avoiding the double-voter/mod block info. That's what immediately jumped out at me when I saw the day opening. That, plus yesterday's suspicions, will make me put a vote on you.

Vote: Ibarra

Boomfrog, You cannot confirm that your power worked from Lataro?

[BoomFrog]

Are you sure your not a lyncher? I don't really see a good justification for why your putting your vote back on Ibarra again. With all the scum being independent from eachother I'd say DBC and even I have just as much chance of being scum. (from your perspective). I really just don't like the feel of the way your playing. Again it seems like the behavior of someone with no allies.
vote GoP

[DaBigCheez]

I think that's worthy of my vote as well; while I'd like to give a little more time to clear up possible confusion about the "broblock" or doublevoting, I feel sufficiently comfortable with this vote to push it through now.

Vote: Gopher of Pern

[Lataro]

Votals:

GoP - 4 - (Ibarra, BF, DBC)
Ibarra -1- (GoP)

GoP is lynched.

Game: Mass Effect
Role: Sole Survivor
Win Condition: Be the only living player at the end of the game, or force a stalemate.
Power: At day’s end, able to pre-submit a player with a vote, and redirect it to another player. This will not show up in the votals.
Rank (1-6, based on how much I like a players selections compared against other players): 6

Town wins!

Remaining Roles:

Ibarra
Game: EarthBound
Role: Alien
Win Condition: Eliminate anti-town.
Power: Jailkeeper. Each phase, you are able to choose someone to jail for the day or night phase. Doing so informs the target they are jailed, as well as what comes with it. While jailed, the target is roleblocked, and if jailed during the night, is NK immune, and if jailed during the day, is lynch immune.
Rank (1-6, based on how much I like a players selections compared against other players): 3

(P.S. I fucked up and forgot to tell GoP he was jailed N1, I just realized that in making this post. I don't think this would have changed much given the following roles though, given that he was sniffing at Ibarra before this happened. Sorry though.)

DBC
Game: The World Ends With You
Role: B Game
Win Condition: Eliminate Anti Town
Power: Ibarra is the only other pure town player in the game. If you in any way, shape, or form indicate this knowledge to another player you will be modkilled and be issued a loss so fast you won’t even have time to blink. Any attempt to make this knowledge public will count against you. There are no further warnings, if in doubt, ask me first before making a mistake that will cost you the game. That said, if Ibarra dies, you gain NK immunity, and gain a NK yourself, as the B Game.
Rank (1-6, based on how much I like a players selections compared against other players): 4

BoomFrog
Game: FFT
Role: Kanbabrif
Win Condition: Choose from the following:

Assist Scum
Assist Anti Town
Assist Town
Assist Indie

After one of the above is chosen, you will be given almost all info about the alignment, role, power, and members, and it is up to you to make sure they win, as you only win if they do.

Power: Able to choose any action that isn’t game breaking each cycle, either a day or night power, and use it that cycle.

Rank (1-6, based on how much I like a players selections compared against other players): 1

Choice:

Assist Town

So be it.

?????
Game: The World Ends With You
Role: B Game
Win Condition: Eliminate Anti Town
Power: Ibarra is the only other pure town player in the game. If you in any way, shape, or form indicate this knowledge to another player you will be modkilled and be issued a loss so fast you won’t even have time to blink. Any attempt to make this knowledge public will count against you. There are no further warnings, if in doubt, ask me first before making a mistake that will cost you the game. That said, if Ibarra dies, you gain NK immunity, and gain a NK yourself, as the B Game.
Rank (1-6, based on how much I like a players selections compared against other players): 4

Ibarra
Game: EarthBound
Role: Alien
Win Condition: Eliminate anti-town.
Power: Jailkeeper. Each phase, you are able to choose someone to jail for the day or night phase. Doing so informs the target they are jailed, as well as what comes with it. While jailed, the target is roleblocked, and if jailed during the night, is NK immune, and if jailed during the day, is lynch immune.
Rank (1-6, based on how much I like a players selections compared against other players): 3


You win when anti town is eliminated. You are not able to publicly claim to know anything about those roles. Pretty much same stipulations as the first role listed.

In addition, since you chose the second easiest route, you may not submit any NKs, or self protects.

GoP was considered anti town, Lorenz was considered scum, Misnomer was considered indie.

Ibarra, DBC, and BF all win.

As the followers of God bumbled around ineptly, God was granted a reprieve. His long standing superior had chosen his side to fight for, and all would be alright. This force beyond all scope had long been a threat, but with it's friendly actions, God felt relieved. Finally, a creation worthy of existing had arose.

Then Kanbabrif promptly destroyed God, and all of existence out of sheer boredom.

The End.

This will be the last game of it's kind in the series run by me, due to lack of interest. It's been fun running it, hope the games were enjoyed.

With Misnomer dropping like that, game balance went to the shitter. Lorenz was given a NK starting N1 to try and compensate for this. GoP had his role changed to be able to redirect a vote to anyone from anyone after BF chose town. Unfortunately, their best chance of winning died with Misnomer, after that, with GoP and Lorenz turning on each other, they basically fucked themselves out of nearly any chance of winning the game. D2 GoP had only one real chance. Convince the others to lynch BF or DBC. BF would have been the easiest sell, since he could claim and gain little from it, where Ibarra or DBC could get confirmation from him, though placement of his vote. D3 would have lead to a GoP win, either by lynching DBC, OR Ibarra RBing GoP, and leading to a stalemate. If Ibarra was lynched, DBC could kill GoP N3, thus, town win. The only other chance GoP had was BF or DBC getting themselves modkilled. Unfortunately, attacking Ibarra was the same as signing his own death sentence.

It was possible for GoP and Lorenz to work together, as Lorenz needed Ibarra, DBC, and BF dead to win, then he could self lynch and GoP would win as well. Misnomer simply required the game to get to at least D3 to do all his actions and have them process, and thus had incentive to help the others to stall for time.



A note on BF's role: A simple google search of kanbabrif and final fantasy tactics will lead you to the single most epic thing in gaming history. A more refined search will bring you to the ultimate creation, the start of what was intended as a trilogy of awesomeness.

http://www.museofoblivion.com/kwrath1.html

Unfortunately, it ran into continual delays and setbacks, and only the single episode was ever fully produced. There are still numerous precursors to it that exist out on youtube, all leading up to that ultimate creation. I totally wasn't biased by the selection of his game, having played no small part in raising Kanbabrif to greatness on the gamefaqs board.

[BoomFrog]

Yeah, my role was pretty powerful. Even just knowing that Ibarra was town and the other town also knew Ibarra was town was a huge power.

In addition, since you chose the second easiest route, you may not submit any NKs, or self protects.

What did you think was the easiest route to victory? Town seemed the strongest because it had two people (plus me).

Also if Misnomer had stayed in the game I assume he would have used his NK only as a last possible super effective option on somebody, so I doubt he would have used it D1 or D2. I like the role concept though, I have to give a hand to you for creative role invention. The game was fun, but GoP didn't do anything that he could have known was a bad move. Same with Lorenz. I feel like the people who lost didn't do anything they should have known was a mistake and the people who won didn't do anything particularly clever. Also with so many indies D1 is mostly about keeping your head down instead of actual scum hunting.

I'll have to fire up my VPN so I can watch that Youtube video.

[Lataro]

Assist Indie.

You could easily detect what powers Misnomer needed to use on who, and rack up to 2.5 wins if he got them all right. At this point, a full claim would have led to a win for all non town, and town being squarely fucked with near zero chance of winning, if all non town realized their situation and acting in their own interests.

[DaBigCheez]

Aha - so I wasn't crazy to think it felt like there was some pseudo-masonry besides my own. And yeah, GoP's attack on Ibarra pretty much sealed the deal with the knowledge BF had.

And yeah - even without knowing anyone else's powers, I was pretty sure that the hammer would result in a win for me; I'm usually really hesitant about hammering, but that seemed like a pretty sure thing. The doublevoter/vote-alterer had to be either GoP or Ibarra, unless BF was doing something really weird with a secret vote D1. So, lynching GoP meant the doublevote was either taken care of, or it was Ibarra. The main risk was that if BF was scum and chose to kill me rather than Ibarra, and GoP had been the doublevoter, then we were out of luck.

That said, D2 I really didn't care who got lynched. I even would have supported an Ibarra lynch, figuring I could kill GoP overnight, stalemate-vote D3 and finish BF off during the night. While I did want the World to End With Me, this way had less potential for other powers to mess with it

Agreed with BF - it's not so much that GoP/Lorenz made "mistakes" in the traditional sense, just that ultimately, they chose poorly, given the roles which happened to exist. I'm kind of curious what would have happened if the game had come down to me vs. Lorenz, each immune to the other's NK...1 vote is n-1 in a 2-player endgame, right? :>

[Lataro]

Agreed with you both, there was nothing they did that was technically "wrong". It was more a matter of bad luck in choosing who to go after.

If it had come down to Lorenz vs. DBC, it would have been a draw, both would have been "killed" and God would have won, to promptly be killed by Kanbabrif, who is truly immortal.

[Lorenz]

Thanks, it was fun.

Why did you decide to lynch me N1 though, if you knew Ibarra was town? Wasn't GoP more obviously scum/indy at that point? Yes, we should have worked together, but trying to scumhunt to gain town credit we did all the scumhunting .

[DaBigCheez]

I knew Ibarra was the *only* other (pure) town, so I wasn't overly concerned about a mislynch - I was getting a worse vibe off of you, though, mostly due to the extended pushing of the bro-claiming.

[BoomFrog]

Where-as I was trying to figure out who was "The B Game" so I only knew for sure that it was not GoP. I actually thought it was Lorenz because he stuck with his vote on GoP after GoP voted Ibarra.

I'd have been sad if Misnomer was "The B Game". Having a player drop out in a 6 player game sucks no matter what happens.

Thanks for running the game Lataro

[Gopher of Pern]

You mean, everyone knew Ibarra was town?!? I was never gonna get out of that one.

How did the votals end up that way? I thought it would have been a 50-50 between myself and Ibarra, though I still would have lost twenty dollars and my self respect. Or did the roleblock continue through the day?

It is truly hard to scumhunt when there aren't any more scum though....

[Lataro]

BF requested a double vote power, so effectively, it was 3-2 at day's end.

[Lataro]

Oh, the reason GoP and Lorenz where numbers 5 and 6? They both mentioned Star Wars, which I hate with the fury of a million suns.