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by **greenlover** » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:52 pm UTC

webby wrote:greenlover arguing with AngrySquirrel, then backing away with 'I don't think it's scummy, but it doesn't make any sense' seems like trying to get others to see that there's something up there, without being associated with the lynch.

The reason why I don't think what AS did was scummy was because I don't see how scum would benefit by drawing attention to themselves by pointing out they have a "mind-blowing power", and then make themselves stand out further by arguing that no one else should claim the same. As of now, I do not support an AS lynch - I only want to figure out if she is really being inconsistent or not. Is that idea really so hard to grasp?

AngrySquirrel wrote:Why? Those are two separate scenarios each with their own set of information available.

One of those situations was a much smaller version of the other, though. Logically, then, you would apply the whole to the part: decide what is good for the town as a whole, and then apply that general strategy to the individual level. However, you didn't do this.

The only way I can see how that would make sense is if, somehow, the general strategy for the town doesn't apply to you - that your either scum or an independent role. However, that conclusion doesn't make sense, since I doubt that you would play a nontown role so badly as to draw so much attention to yourself so early. Hence, it doesn't make any sense.

Moving on, my power is just about as vanilla as you get. So, since I don't think anyone else claimed a nonvanilla power, that makes AS unique, then. Is the uniqueness of your power the reason why you don't think the general town strategy applies to you, AS?

Finally, voting. I agree that we should vote early and often. After preforming a quick re-read, I found this:

Angua wrote:Personally, I think boomfrog has been trying to lead town (with the claims, and the reminding us we need to vote early), but I think this is generally considered townie behaviour?

Angua wrote:I'm leaning towards boomfrog and greenlover at the moment, but will see. Also, another post from pokerjoker would be good too.

That was quite a sudden change of tune, there, Angua. In one post, you think boomfrog is pretty towny, but two posts later you're thinking about voting for him? That, plus the fact that you seem to be doing your best to fade into the background of the discussion and not step on anyone's toes, strikes me as either uncertainty or yes-manning. Good enough for a vote in this game.

Vote: Angua

by **Angua** » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:09 pm UTC

No, I said that I thought that boomfrog was trying to lead the town, which I seemed to recall was town behaviour (I haven't played in a while - you'll notice the question mark at the end of the first statement, meaning that I'm not sure). Personally, I think trying to lead town and being really helpful might be a more scummy, but I was waiting to see what other people think. Though, I guess I wasn't clear enough with my question.

Also, AS seems to have the only mindblowing power, assuming that none of the rest of us are lying about the vanillaness of ours. Personally, the only reason I would see for a claim like that (except for flippantness at the beginning) would be some sort of joker deathwish role, but an independent role like that ( or do jokers count as town as well) wouldn't make sense in such a small game.

by **Angua** » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:18 pm UTC

Ok, as promised, my vote before bed. I'm going to go for greenlover, mainly because we need a vote, and I don't think webby seems to be pinging me. Also, as no one else has commented on boomfrog, I might as well make my vote count for something (also, I find the fora seems to go slowly on the weekend. However, if a better case is presented for someone else, then I am willing to review my vote).

vote: greenlover

by **greenlover** » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:29 pm UTC

Angua wrote:No, I said that I thought that boomfrog was trying to lead the town, which I seemed to recall was town behaviour (I haven't played in a while - you'll notice the question mark at the end of the first statement, meaning that I'm not sure). Personally, I think trying to lead town and being really helpful might be a more scummy, but I was waiting to see what other people think. Though, I guess I wasn't clear enough with my question.

No, that wasn't very clear. Nor did you wait for an answer to your question before deciding that you might want to lynch boomfrog. In fact, the only post between your two polar posts placed boomfrog as being towny. My vote stays.

Angua wrote:I'm going to go for greenlover, mainly because we need a vote, and I don't think webby seems to be pinging me.

You mean putting someone at L-1. I don't believe that there is a single person among those who are voting for me that doesn't have some kind of excuse for thinking I'm not scummy. At this rate, I'm going to get lynched by a town that doesn't even think I'm scummy.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:41 am UTC

Unofficial votecount:
1 Webby (Boomfrog)
3 greenlover (Webby, AngrySquirrel, Angua)
1 Angua (greenlover)

by **AngrySquirrel** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:47 am UTC

Two things of note from that; Angua is 3rd on bandwagon (always a bad sign) and PokerJoker is the only one not to have made a vote.

Considering this and the rest of the posts made on day 1 I have reconsidered where my vote should be.

Unvote: greenlover
Vote: PokerJoker11

I have played in too many games where someone has managed to slink along to the end by making a single post per day saying something along the lines of "Honestly! I'm not lurking!". This is something I wish to avoid as much as possible, hence my vote on the one person we have the least amount of input from.

by **BoomFrog** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:56 am UTC

Well that's certainly interesting. There are three scenario I can imagine.

1) AngrySquirrel is the only town with a unique power and the three other town players are very vinnila. She claimed for a very poor reason or secret reason that she is trying to hide.
2) AS is scum and lied about her power because she was planning on an interesting falseclaim tomorrow. However once it became clear that everyone was vinnila she tried to discorage more people from revealing that fact.
3) There are other townies who have oddball powers but they don't want to reveal this fact because they don't want to risk bieng NKed.

I find 1 hard to belive, I really doubt Roband picked three super boring vanilla powers and made up one crazy power for town. Considering how loosly connected the roles seem to be to our powers I think it's pretty clear that he preselected the roles and then assigned them as best he could to characters. Considering AS's selfproclaimed arrogance #2 seems quite plausible. If #3 is true then the other townie better come forward to save another townie from bieng lynched.

Also Angua tried to paint AS's claim as "flippant" which I think was a very odd conclusion. I have a feeling Angua is AS's partner. I think Greenlover made a good case against her and I would be voting for her right now if it weren't for this mindblowing power claim thing. However AS has choosen to try and deflect attention elseware which reinfocres my feeling that they are partners. Although I agree pokerjoker should post more if he's going to contribute, as it's his first game I think it would be unwise to lynch him for it. He is completly neutral in my book.

Lastly giving up on the Greenlover Lynch makes sense if the two scum are already voting for him and seem to not be getting more support.

Unvote
AngrySquirrel

by **AngrySquirrel** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:48 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:Although I agree pokerjoker should post more if he's going to contribute, as it's his first game I think it would be unwise to lynch him for it. He is completly neutral in my book.

You don't get a free pass just cause you're new. You don't get a free pass just cause you're busy. That's how you end up with people at lylo who you haven't a clue as to where stands.

by **Angua** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:57 am UTC

greenlover wrote:
Angua wrote:No, I said that I thought that boomfrog was trying to lead the town, which I seemed to recall was town behaviour (I haven't played in a while - you'll notice the question mark at the end of the first statement, meaning that I'm not sure). Personally, I think trying to lead town and being really helpful might be a more scummy, but I was waiting to see what other people think. Though, I guess I wasn't clear enough with my question.
No, that wasn't very clear. Nor did you wait for an answer to your question before deciding that you might want to lynch boomfrog. In fact, the only post between your two polar posts placed boomfrog as being towny. My vote stays.

Angua wrote:I'm going to go for greenlover, mainly because we need a vote, and I don't think webby seems to be pinging me.
You mean putting someone at L-1. I don't believe that there is a single person among those who are voting for me that doesn't have some kind of excuse for thinking I'm not scummy. At this rate, I'm going to get lynched by a town that doesn't even think I'm scummy.

No one seems to be posting when I'm awake. Seriously. I feel like I'm sort of rambling on into a vacuum, and then everyone appears as soon as I'm gone. Considering I'm around most of the day time, it's a bit frustrating. Observe:
I wake up - post my thoughts- timestamp 9.40am UTC
I wait around, AS posts - 1.15pm
I notice she's posted, I reply, now including the fact that I'm thinking about that, still hoping someone will also mention what they think 2.52pm
next post - you attacking me 5.52pm
I respond 6.09pm
No one says anything, so my final post and vote before I go to bed 11.18pm

Then there are 5 more posts after I'm asleep. Anyway, yes, I left someone at L1, but I figured we had to get there at some point, and to be honest, I half expected you all to change your minds completely, or just vote me off in my sleep. Considering boomfrog and AS both did, there you go. As our deadline isn't until 7my time, I'm going to let my vote stand where it is for the moment. HOpefully pokerjoker will appear at some point.

by **roband** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:01 am UTC

If that was a vote BoomFrog, I'mma need to see the word VOTE before a player name

by **BoomFrog** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:09 pm UTC

Angua wrote:No one seems to be posting when I'm awake. Seriously. I feel like I'm sort of rambling on into a vacuum, and then everyone appears as soon as I'm gone. Considering I'm around most of the day time, it's a bit frustrating.

Webby, I and apparently AngrySquirrel and pokerjoker are all playing during the middle of the day Asia time. How about actually addressing points made against you though?

roband wrote:If that was a vote BoomFrog, I'mma need to see the word VOTE before a player name

Thanks, sorry I was in a hurry.

Vote: AngrySquirrel

by **Angua** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:31 pm UTC

That was me addressing the points made against me? Greenlover wanted to know why I seemed to be changing my stance, I said I wasn't, and maybe I hadn't made my question clear in the first post that they mentioned. They then said, ahah, well why didn't you wait for an answer, and I said, because no one seems to be answering me, and I was getting frustrated.

Oh, I missed the flippant thing. AS seems to often do sort of flippant remarks - though that is my impression of her from not inside the games, but from interactions in the rest of the wider fora. (Also, it was the way she said it 'Well, my power is mindblowing, and not on your list, it sort of seemed like a boasting/non-serious thing). I guess we might seem to be working together, because she seems to post closer to the same time as me than everyone else, but if it's just from the flippant thing, then that's just my impression. As I've already said, the only way I can see her saying that for any other reason is because she wants to either be lynched or NKed (though, I guess it's also a possibility that she is trying to be targetted for the NK as she's either sure she's immune, or thinks a doctor will protect her).

by **BoomFrog** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:59 pm UTC

Angua wrote:As I've already said, the only way I can see her saying that for any other reason is because she wants to either be lynched or NKed (though, I guess it's also a possibility that she is trying to be targetted for the NK as she's either sure she's immune, or thinks a doctor will protect her).

Those are all pretty impossible. With 2 scum and 4 town there's no room for a Jester unless there is only one real scum and one Jester, but I'd consider the mod a bit of a bastard for including a Jester in "scum" as that's generally considered an Indie role and scum means Mafia. (correct me if I'm wrong here)

I doubt she is NK immune since if she is, she only needs to avoid the lynch. That's exactly what she appears not to be doing.

It seems that you don't have a good alternate theory, so why are you so dismissive of the theory that she is scum and made a mistake assuming that there was more interesting powers in the game? PyP usually has more unusual powers then just Cop and Doctor. It's an understandable mistake to make.

by **Angua** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:11 pm UTC

Because AS doesn't generally make mistakes (at least, not mistakes that obvious from what I can remember). Though, it sounds like she hasn't played in a while, so I guess she could be rusty? As you have actually said something about my alternate theories (which is nice to have some feedback! hurray for people being around) - I did ask if it was possible that someone could be a jester and town (though I'm guessing not now).

If you're NK immune, with this small a set-up I would have thought that painting a massive target on your head would be a good thing for town, because it would mean that you are down one less townie in the night. Think about it - if we lynch town today, then mafia gets a kill at night, that leads to us being at a draw with mafia the next day (this is assuming we don't have a townie with a double vote - though we can now say that none of webby, AS or my votes seem to count as double, something I admittedly didn't think about when I put greenlover at L1). So, if AS can't be NKed, then it's a 3-2, with a better chance for town to win.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:49 pm UTC

1.

BoomFrog wrote:Lastly giving up on the Greenlover Lynch makes sense if the two scum are already voting for him and seem to not be getting more support.

You need to learn to count votes. With 3 votes on greenlover and deadline so close, chances are greenlover will be lynched. Unvoting is not a way of "giving up on the lynch". If I wanted that lynch to go through I would keep my vote there. I unvoted because I think there are better courses of action available to us that will give us more information to work on come day 2. (For instance lynching the guy who isn't giving us any info).

2. 1 vote does not make a lynch. There is no need for me to try to avoid a lynch at this point, because I do not consider there to be a lynch directed at me.

by **greenlover** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:14 pm UTC

Angua wrote:That was me addressing the points made against me? Greenlover wanted to know why I seemed to be changing my stance, I said I wasn't, and maybe I hadn't made my question clear in the first post that they mentioned. They then said, ahah, well why didn't you wait for an answer, and I said, because no one seems to be answering me, and I was getting frustrated.

Hm. I guess I can understand where you are coming from here. I went back to see how much time had passed between your two posts, and I saw a 5 hour difference. Still, hadn't you realized by that point that most of the players in this game are active during times that you normally aren't?

Anyway, although her uniqueness does make her suspect (and her inconsistency does make sense, actually, if you work off the assumption that it was a false-claim) I still don't see a AS lynch, mostly because it doesn't make any sense that AS would bring so much attention to herself so early on it the game. Nor do I see a boomfrog lynch, since he has been acting pretty towny so far. In fact, other than Angua, the only person who has been pinging me as scummy is webby. To top it off, he hasn't posted for 3 days. That's a naughty thing to do in a turbo and pretty suspicious since webby is typically more active than that. So,

unvote
Vote: webby

Mostly to make him make a post before deadline, but also because he had been pinging me previously. This doesn't mean I suspect Angua any less than before - just that I want to have inactive people being active. I'll probably put my vote back on Angua after webby posts.

by **webby** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:15 pm UTC

Apologies for going missing - it's been a really busy weekend. Currently 3am Sunday morning, just got home and thought I'd check this because the deadline is coming up before I'll wake up. I'm in no fit state to do any real analysis, but if I understand correctly, there's greenlover with 2 votes, pokerjoker with 1, AngrySquirrel with 1 and me with 1. I voted greenlover based on a relatively minor thing because it was the most I had at the time, but I like greenlover's more recent posts (even though he voted me

).

Basically that makes it a choice between greenlover, pokerjoker and AngrySquirrel and I'm going to go with pokerjoker based on the amount of information we'll have tomorrow. As AngrySquirrel said, we don't want to be going into tomorrow, which might be 3-2, 2-2 or 2-1, with no idea about one of the players left. AngrySquirrel and greenlover have both done some slightly odd/scummy things, but it's not enough to outweigh that. With everyone else having contributed quite a lot and placing votes, I think we'll have a fair bit to go on tomorrow.

Oh and also I think it's a slight town tell that greenlover voted me rather than someone who already had a vote, because self-preservation is far more important as scum than town. At least with town, even if you get lynched, you can still help the town for the next day.

Unvote
Vote: pokerjoker11

by **Angua** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:59 pm UTC

Personally, I'm going to stick with my guns and stay with greenlover, even though it is unlikely to do anything. I think pokerjoker and the lurker lynch might be a good idea (though it does feel a bit mean, even though they haven't been posting much), but then that puts me as putting someone at L1 again. Which I've already been blasted at before, and I think that was tenuous at best.

So, I'm sticking with my vote - off for dr who. It should finish just before 8, so hopefully I'll have time to review afterwards.

by **roband** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:01 pm UTC

1 greenlover (Angua)
2 PJ (AS, webby)
1 Webby (greenlover)

Pokerjoker is lynched. Night starts now, 48 hours.

by **roband** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:07 pm UTC

Day 2 begins.
Somehow, this turned into a flavourless game despite me planning to write some originally.
But I'm going to continue as I started.

There were no deaths overnight.
PokerJoker was lynched on D1 - he was Oompa Loompa, Town, Doctor

Deadline is in... hmm... 120 hours (that's 5 days from this post).

by **BoomFrog** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:38 pm UTC

Well, no NK fits with my theory that I came up with last night. I know some people might be eager to reveal some results of their night actions but let's do it in a sensible order. Webby's last minute vote that led to a town death was EXTREMELY scummy, and AS's vote only slightly less so. I'd like full claims from both of them before anyone else reveals anything.

by **BoomFrog** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:42 pm UTC

Not that it matters much but I was voting for AS at the end of D1

by **webby** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:24 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:Well, no NK fits with my theory that I came up with last night. I know some people might be eager to reveal some results of their night actions but let's do it in a sensible order. Webby's last minute vote that led to a town death was EXTREMELY scummy, and AS's vote only slightly less so. I'd like full claims from both of them before anyone else reveals anything.

What was so scummy about it? I changed my mind about greenlover, so I voted for the person who I thought was most scummy. Unless you think me and greenlover are a team, I don't understand what you're getting at?

I'm willing to claim if everyone wants me to claim.

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:40 am UTC

The vote itself was poorly justified. How many noobs must we lynch before people can agree that noobies are not more likely to be scum just because they are noobish? pokerjokers actual posts were fairly neutral to townish, his only crime was having few posts.

The timing of your vote was scummy. You basically dissappeared then swoop in right before deadline to change your vote to make sure the vote goes they way you wanted. Greenlover isn't nessesarily your teammate, but you felt that lynching him was less justifiable then pokerjoker. I think AS is your teammate and you were waiting to post to make sure she wasn't going to get lynched.

However, I can understand not claiming just because I asked you to. Who else thinks Webby and AS should make full claims?

by **webby** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:11 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:The vote itself was poorly justified. How many noobs must we lynch before people can agree that noobies are not more likely to be scum just because they are noobish? pokerjokers actual posts were fairly neutral to townish, his only crime was having few posts.

The timing of your vote was scummy. You basically dissappeared then swoop in right before deadline to change your vote to make sure the vote goes they way you wanted. Greenlover isn't nessesarily your teammate, but you felt that lynching him was less justifiable then pokerjoker. I think AS is your teammate and you were waiting to post to make sure she wasn't going to get lynched.

However, I can understand not claiming just because I asked you to. Who else thinks Webby and AS should make full claims?

Unfortunately real life got in the way, but I made sure to post and vote firstly before I got busy, then again before the deadline. I don't actually hang around staying up until 3am just waiting to see who's going to get lynched.

You'll find I didn't make any posts in the other game I'm in during this time either.

I'm comfortable with my justification for voting for pokerjoker as explained in the post - as I've said and done many times in previous games, I will lynch a lurker over an active player if all else is equal. Newness might not make someone more likely to be scum, but it doesn't make it less likely either and it's much harder to tell with them - you don't want them to be alive on later days. I've never got a day 1 lynch right at least partly because I treat day 1 more as information gathering rather than when you necessarily have to lynch scum (equally, it's rare for me to get a lynch after day 1 wrong).

I don't know if everyone should claim - roband did discourage us from it. I would prefer not to claim, but will if necessary.

If we are claiming, my preferred order of claims (excluding myself) would be as follows:
1. Angua
2. AngrySquirrel
3. Boomfrog
4. greenlover

As I said yesterday, Angua got away with flying under the radar yesterday, so she's the one we lack information from. If I was to guess right now, the scumteam would be Angua and AngrySquirrel (mostly by elimination).

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:41 am UTC

I'd rather AS goes before Angua and of course I'd like Webby to go first.

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:41 am UTC

Hmm, that was a kinda redundent post since I'd already said I want you two first. My point was, the rest of the order looks fine.

by **Angua** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:03 am UTC

I don't know how well claiming generally goes, but doesn't it seem a bit premature? If pokerjoker was the doctor, then we probably also have some sort of roleblocker, or someone was immune to it (though boomfrog doesn't seem too surprised by this - care to explain? Would it tactically make sense for scum not to kill someone N1?). I'm not sure if we want to out our possible roleblocker.

However, I'm always a bit hazy on tactics in these games, so I'll claim if others think that it is a good idea all around.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:58 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:The vote itself was poorly justified. How many noobs must we lynch before people can agree that noobies are not more likely to be scum just because they are noobish? pokerjokers actual posts were fairly neutral to townish, his only crime was having few posts.

Being new is not a free pass. I will not treat anyone differently just cause they're new. On day 1 I'd much rather lynch someone who appears neutral and does not contribute than someone who seems slightly scummy but contributes.

But I guess it's time for me to clear some things up.

By "mind blowing" I was referring to being quite Fantastic. If that don't give you enough information to deduct who I am you're not trying hard enough. I could not be targeted at night (by anyone) during night 1 which is why I chose to attract as much attention to myself as I did. I believe it's quite likely that the reason there was no scum kill during night 1 is that they were targeting me, but I have heard no word from mod about being targeted either so there might be other reasons at play without me being able to tell much about that one way or the other.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:08 am UTC

As to my current thought on the rest of you. I believe it's quite likely we'll find our scum amongst webby and Angua. Boomfrog is much too loud and eager to lead town for me to think he's scum (although he could be really really clever, but I doubt that is the case). The voting parade against greenlover has me leaning on him being quite townish for various reasons, although I'm not 100% convinced yet. Also Angua was 3rd on bandwagon. That is usually a bad sign.

I won't put out a new vote until I've heard from everyone.

by **Angua** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:42 am UTC

As AS has already claimed, I guess we're probably going to go down that route. If AS was really the reason that we didn't have a NK (also, I'd like to point out her calling attention to herself so that we don't end up with a NK was on my list of why she would do that, which no one else seemed to pay any attention to), then I guess the possibility of outing a roleblocker is less. What is the preference on me or webby going next?

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:02 pm UTC

Hmm... AS has been far more reasonable then I expected. I was guessing she was a scum paranoid gun owner which is why she wanted attention. However if she was town I'm surprised that the scum didn't agree with my reasoning and go for a lynch on her. Still I'm willing to assume she is town for now.

Maybe we should hold off on full claiming for now. If we lynch scum today a full claim tomorrow is ideal. How about this. If anyone tried to target AS last night they should claim that but not what their power was. That would eliminate the PGO theory.

I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on who is scummy though. I think I've made my position clear enough.

by **greenlover** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:23 pm UTC

I can claim my night action last night if the majority wills it; however, I don't think its necessary at this point. I doubt it would change anything. AS's explanation for no night kill makes a lot of sense, so I'm getting a pretty towny lean on her. I've had a towny lean on BF this entire game, so no problems there.

Right now, both AS and BF are pretty towny in my mind, I have a slight scum lean on webby (mostly because there can be only two other town out there besides myself, and AS and BF are more towny than webby currently), and I have a major scum lean on Angua. I won't vote yet, since we still got 4 days until deadline, but Angua is where my vote is headed right now.

by **BoomFrog** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:04 am UTC

I'm on baby duty today so I won't be able to post much. But I want to say two things. 1) people should be careful about voting because fi town votes for town then the two scum can speedlynch and likely win tonight so they won't care about exposing themselves by doing it.

That said, I'm confident enough that Webby's actions D1 were scummy and his justification flimsy.

Vote Webby

by **Angua** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:50 am UTC

Well, I can say that I didn't target AS during the night. I didn't even know there was such a role as a PGO (or apparently such things as a bomb). Time to read up on other non-traditional roles!

As for who I think is scummy - AS and webby were the two to vote for pokerjoker, though I know that AS has had a large dislike for lurkers in the past, but I don't know enough about webby to say either way. Greenlover still strikes me as suspicious, though I'm probably biased because they think I'm suspicious too. Boomfrog is still playing the town-leading role, which I still find suspicious, but no one else seems to, so I guess I'll have to still go with the idea that this is general townie behaviour.

by **BoomFrog** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:15 am UTC

Angua wrote:Boomfrog is still playing the town-leading role, which I still find suspicious, but no one else seems to, so I guess I'll have to still go with the idea that this is general townie behaviour.

Leading town is not inharently scummy or townie. Well I guess it's a little towny because it's posting lots of content which is a townie thing to do. But any behavior that is townie will be something that bold scum players will also try to do. The the main question is, do you think they way I am leading town is scummy or townie? Have the things I have advocated been townie things?

by **webby** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:10 pm UTC

I have a theory about this game, that can possibly explain why it was ok with 6 players (4-2). I think that we all have protecting or roleblocking type roles.

I'm the seagulls from James and the Giant Peach and each night I can fly someone away, which stops them from being targeted. Last night I protected greenlover. I obviously didn't want to have to claim this, because it makes me a good nightkill target, but it looks like I'm going to get lynched otherwise. I'm not sure what that implies about AngrySquirrel, but I don't think he would have been a good target for the nightkill last night - she was being pretty obvious about wanting to be targeted.

I don't have a good feeling about Boomfrog - it is never good to vote that early - if he's a townie, he was putting the game at risk by that vote. But I'll elaborate on this more in the morning - it looks like my tired posts seem scummy to people.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:42 pm UTC

I don't like webby's implications without accusations. And I estimate their chances to be the 2nd scum as quite high. But, I feel far more confident about Angua being scum than anyone else atm. This is sad cause I like Angua, they are a sensible player with good logic and thought-through strategies (unlike some). Alas, Angua was 3rd on bandwagon in addition to demonstrating a severe lack of ability to be agressive and start votes on people. This to me screams scum. The rest of you I'll sort out when I feel I need to.

Vote: Angua

by **BoomFrog** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:43 pm UTC

Well I was taking a risk voting early for webby, but I was confident enough to do it to prove a point. If webby was town (and presuposing that I am town also) then we would be at risk of a speedlynch. However AS (if she is town) is taking an extra risk. If she really thinks that webby is a very nearly as high chance of bieng scummy as Angua it's better for her to follow my vote instead of risking two possible speedlynch candidates.

Let me explain clearly. If Angua is scum and Webby is town then Angua and her partner will speedlynch webby to save her. So from AS's point of view a vote for Angua cannot raise the chances of lynching scum today more then a vote for webby. It is a factually bad move. The only way it is a good move is if I am going to unvote which I promise I am not. Therefore AS should unvote immediatly.

No one should vote for anyone except me or webby. One of us is scum, or there would have been a speedlynch. Oh and if you're going to vote for me, please don't actually vote until I have a chance to claim.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:07 pm UTC

Again. Learn to count votes. We are 5 players. That requires 3 votes to lynch. There is such a thing as unvoting and revoting.

Now we've got 1 vote on Angua (mine) and 1 vote on webby (yours). For there to be a speedlynch it would either require both greenlover and Angua to be scum (in which case, I am right) or it would require both greenlover and webby to be scum (you're right). I am fairly sure by now that greenlover is town due to the voting patterns of day 1. And I'm about 98% sure that Angua is scum.

What I am most unsure about is who is scummiest out of you and webby. For while my gut says webby is the last scum, your attitude and general lack of understanding of basic mafia tactics are bugging me severely.

So I will wait until greenlover makes a vote. If he agrees with you, then fine, I'll do this magical thing called "unvote" and put my vote there as well. But you do not get to tell me what to do just because you shout the loudest and have a fairly condescending attitude.

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