Here we go:
10% My defense: So what I'm mostly seeing so far is 1. Voting Patterns (or, as Lataro said, my lack of) 2. Inactivity and 3. Apparently everyone used their actions (Do I have this correct? I kinda forget) and in my thoughts:
1. Voting Patterns - While I'll agree there's a lack of this, I don't see how it solidifies anything. I was about to vote numerous times (and as you see, the opportunity wasn't ever enabled well) I also get scared of hammers on new sites. It's just not enough to hold up compared to say faulty reads lists/scumhunting, awkward behavior, etc in my eyes.
On the other hand I'll say that fencesitting is totally a legitimate scumtell and we should easily be able to call people out for that at this point.
2. Inactivity - I really do have a lot going on in my life and If you know me, I don't make inactivity lies. I'll keep trying to be more daily here. I'm just really not getting the hang of the speed. I'll just let you into my shoes a bit: Is it easy for you to get into Mafia on a new site?
3. Everyone used their actions - Well then, to my POV, if there was actually a kill last night I know it wasn't me, Lataro, Mpolo, Wei, or Ibarra. So my thoughts on the "Mafia held their kill vs didn't hold" is the fact that they didn't hold their kill.
With all the roles in play for a start (Remember my Watcher/Doctor team-up I suggested way back and pushed for?) Yeah. It's very easy to get caught to a kill/have a kill not go through with a Tracker, Watcher, and a Doctor in play even with one of the three possibly as scum.
That said, the better question is with your role, if you were the last Mafia member, why would
you perform the kill? (This goes to mainly Lataro) At that point the goal is to blend in with Town as much as possible which nobody really seemed to look into much with the argument. Doing that practically makes (Assuming Lataro is Town with me as well, which I think he is) lynchbait everywhere or at the very least, makes us all more confused.
Now then, 90% of content on who is scum:
I'll first say this is probably pretty swingy but it's mainly because we're not looking for two Mafioso's. We're looking for a Mafioso and an SK. And we practically need to have as much info as possible for when tomorrow is probably Lylo/Mylo (...or Prisoner's Dilemma if we're really unlucky)A-Wan:
Okay, so I'll admit I made a derp move there with rethinking my thoughts. However, if we're to even wipe out role stuff, I see him trying to legitimately scumhunt and think well. Everything really looks fine now here. I'll admit, there's a chance he could be WW, but the fact that he's also open to possibilities instead of say trying to lead a lynch up today and get a lock fast as he understands the importance of this day makes me think less. Usually scum are also in the people trying to lynch just about anyone.
Finally, one more thing on his note that even with my absence, he was still trying to scumhunt for other scum. Something... everyone else here lacked doing.
So basically, in-short, I don't think he's a good lynch for today. Considering tomorrow is a most likely Lynch or Lose state if we don't have the WW eliminated by then, I'd be a bit more wary. If we do and we're up against one last Mafioso, he's not the one. I'll also say right now if you're Werewolf (or hell Mafia) congratulations early on fooling me.Lataro:
Okay so... A lot of re-reading on him. I don't think I've ever had anything I can truly suspect him that much on being Scum on (maybe it's because I have
played with people like him) - Answers to my questions were legitimate. I guess the whole D2 thing was a mess in-general, and I'll be frank in saying (much like A-Wan's general thoughts) I still have my doubt but for now I'm willing to lean towards a Town read still. I see logical thought process from today that makes me change otherwise. Asides from the fact that you were quick on kill logic, but to your credit, I really should be at least posting V/LA's if I can't be active. I'm actually very interested to see what you have to say in response to this all. But yo' man I told you I promised content.
tl;dr: Still seeing Town, maybe less, but at this point of the game it's expected that we'd all be more paranoid of each other.IBarra:
So we're going down on something more interesting with link-ups. He's successfully caught two Mafioso's but at the same time, I really do still have my doubts. Granted, I don't think he's WW as much (strangely enough) since I don't see much of a reason to FoS instead of pushing on the person you were going to kill anyways and not pushing it further. The timing of the Roband vote was also quite odd to say the least.
...On the other hand, I actually have something to say in your defense. Roband was trying to push a lynch on you with his suspicions after what I pointed out. Unless there's some concrete bussing I'm willing to give this my doubts.
tl;dr: I'm not seeing as much in this, but after everything with D2 shenanigans above all else, I'm not willing to test my gut reads on everyone.Weiyaoli:
Finally, a scumtell! Did I spoil it? Stick around for more!
First, let me start with this:
weiyaoli wrote:Of course, the more obvious reason is that the mafia targeted Ibarra, who was protected by mpolo. Which would leave either a-wan or TK as possible scum in that case.
...Which, is it just me, or am I the only one who read this as trying to pin a lynch?
Here's more of interests in old posts:
Lorenz wrote:Well, I think Lataro is a very stubborn town, and that a-wan is definitely not mafia. a-wan has been very helpful, and is being voted pretty much for not agreeing with Lataro. The reasons are quite weak imo.
For not voting yesterday, voting a-wan today and following a-wan. I think it was pretty clear that a-wan was not going to use his power AND that I was going to block him. I don't see any reason why it would be helpful for town to follow a-wan. It would have been much more helpful to follow mpolo or roband.
Now then, this is more "I suspect Weiyaoli more based off of Inactivity/Rolewise" as much as I liked Lorenz content compared to almost everyone for practically this whole game, but here's the fishy part:
weiyaoli wrote:he was the obvious use for the scum killer if he was scum.
What really catches me: If A-Wan is Scum, he knows he'd get tracked to a kill as he's the best choice by putting himself down on that, so why would he do so?
The entire post over there comes off as a bit strange. Along with the idea of... tracking the Doctor, which I don't remember him justifying that since he said a while back it'd be pointless. For the most of the rest part, the content just isn't clinging with me (asides from some of D1, been tired and this is my last person I'm checking over). While he at least isn't hunting for lurkers at some of his posts, later on the content with D3 seems odd. It's all too much and I'd be pointing more out about him. I think the best way to put it is he's trying to put enough content out there to not get lynched off of a null read, not say anything too suspicious, and not look too close to anyone else.Mpolo:
Before all else...
a-wan wrote:As for mpolo, it seems confirmed that he used his power again last night. In my mind, it seems like if the doctor is the WW, then it is in his best interest to use his power in such a way that it will not block the mafia kill (for instance, doctor the person he ends up killing), and it has not seemed like he has done this. In my mind, based on actions that are apparently confirmed, mpolo is not the WW.
A-Wan, here's a curiosity question, have you ever played as SK? Looking Town is more important than letting a few kills slide. In Smalltown, even if you're scum, you have to make logical actions and choices on what roles are in play.
Next off, there's this:
mpolo wrote:But there have to be two scum there. I'm going to need some more time with this, and unfortunately, have no time right now to do so.
mpolo wrote:I guess I'm in the same boat here. I am really inclined to vote for ThirdKoopa at present, but I would rather hear first what he has to say for himself.
I'm questioning if you're town if you even realize the situation we're in.
You say you need to come up with more content (especially as I said, tomorrow even if we lynch scum today, we're still in a potentially bad position) then... wait for my content despite the fact you don't even have two true scumreads when there's two scum at least left assuming you... aren't one? To top it off, it's practically sheeping.
mpolo wrote:If he's going to be modkilled, we save ourselves the problem, don't we? As a result, I'd rather not bandwagon a lurker out of the game that the mod is going to take care of.
And then there's the Miller thing which I covered. And then in reply to my Kingmaker (which as you remember, Roband, who was scum, also dodged this):
mpolo wrote:At the moment, I have a lot of conflicting feelings and have not had a chance to read since my last post, so I will wait on the second question.
And then Lataro points it out for playing safe, which is, ala, you guessed it, Fencesitting!
And then the hammer with little to say which could be taken as bussing...
mpolo wrote:Vote: roband
Now then, I did read, and I do know of the whole thing on N1 now about this being the only way, but on the other hand, we know nobody else did the kill and I see an investigator being easier to fake than well... A doc. I could see more as well since there was less to the "GoP did the kill" argument since we all had no idea who the other Mafioso was. And that's the only thing that makes people think he's town unless I'm missing something else.
And then WW as I touched on before; it's out the window. Everything else just accounts for too strange and suspicious. I will however give you the benefit of doubt (I don't know what Wei's reasoning is but someone mentioned he wasn't posting in many other games, think it was BF) and say that as knowing how it is to be busy I can feel empathy for that.
tl;dr of my reads:
A-Wan's leaning town, in my eyes.
Lataro is sorta leaning Town.
IBarra's leaning a slight bit more towards Town, but it all really depends.
Wei's leaning towards Neutral to Scum. All too... neutral, for a start, and I'll elaborate more on him when I have the time (this post already took up like two hours of my life with being half asleep)
Mpolo's leaning towards pretty scummy for all of the reasons I've stated above (and more I could nitpick) basically doing what Wei is. What's hard to decide is what's better - Going for the person who gives Null tells which might be a key more on the WW, or just going for someone who's generally scummy more?
I'm inclined to believe Wei/Mpolo could be anything but in Mpolo's case, more likely WW than Mafia. A-Wan's really leaning Town, Lataro has a slight possibility as Maf/WW but I'm more looking forward to see what he has to say to all of this, and I've expressed IBarra (A tricky one to read with all his link-ups)
I think I've put it at enough for one post so really, do ask me anything. I'm willing to defend what I say some, and I'm willing to admit my logic might be flawed. In the meantime however, especially since the scum are working separately with one Maf and SK, I don't have to worry about this much.Vote: Mpolo
Finally, once again, I deeply apologize for the lack of overall activity once again.