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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Aaeriele » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:26 am UTC

Vaniver wrote:I may be atypical, but I find it useful to know why obstacles exist. If this gatekeeping is someone following best practices advice of ten years ago instead of best practices advice of last year, then that informs how to move forward (for example, finding the studies that show a lack of regret and presenting them to the endocrinologist in a non-judgmental way).

A fair amount of us already know the 'why', though, and it gets really tiring hearing it the third or fourth time around. This is a safespace thread, not a "organize an activist movement" thread. (If I want to have a debate over the 'most effective way to change trans healthcare', I'll go to SB.)
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Jessica » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:56 pm UTC

H.E.L.e.N. wrote:
Carnildo wrote:Unless a new treatment is a dramatic improvement over the old one (think "anticoagulants as a treatment for stroke"-level dramatic), it takes about thirty years for a new treatment to become universal. We've got about twenty years to go on HRT.


Edit: I don't know what necessarily counts, but treatment of mtf people with hormones goes a bit earlier than that.

Even earlier then that, actually.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby lanicita » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:48 pm UTC

Aaeriele is right. This is not the place to try and explain to anyone why they don't or shouldn't or can't-for-a-while have the rights they should be entitled to.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Monika » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:36 pm UTC

Boris Veganofsky wrote:Monika, there is nothing wrong with you. Grief is a complex process. When my grandmother unexpectedly died I did not cry for a long time, then months later, out of nowhere I felt overwhelmingly sad and frustrated.

Thanks.

With my greatgrandmother it was like that. Some months later I dreamt of her, I basically met her alive in my dream, just sitting in a chair and I sat down next to her, feeling her physically. When I woke up I was very sad. Finally. She had been my most liked family member, even more than my grandparents.

I came out as pansexual in meatspace for the first time. My friend's reaction was: *high five* "Me too". <3

Oh wow, you're so lucky :) .


That sounds really good.

PM 2Ring wrote:* big hugs * for Monika.

Thanks.

There's nothing wrong with you, Monika. People experience a whole spectrum of feelings at funerals. A lot of the males in my family have a weird tendency to giggle at funerals, but we try to keep it under control so we don't offend others who are in a more sombre mood.

We had some laughs. My sister accidentally took the small music book with her out of the chapel (we had sung from it at the end), and when she noticed outside she had to laugh and we, too.

Thanks for talking about the clothing stuff. It reminds us that people are not born with an innate fashion sense - it's something that has to be learned.

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natashatasha wrote:*Hugs Monika* There's nothing wrong with you, we all deal with our grief in our own way. You're a beautiful person, and don't deserve how hard you're being on yourself.

Thank you. That's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

I am probably not going to tell my grandparents that I am bi (or pan ... or asexual ... not sure). Or that I am poly :? . But in the last days I was thinking about that I would have liked to tell my greataunt. I wasn't planning to do that before. But now I was imagining how she would have reacted, what she would have said. Her reactions to everything were always positive, so I imagine they might have been to this, too. I think she would have said something like "Oh Monichen, everybody has to live their life in a way that they can be happy." *sigh*

Gender Bill of Rights

I don't think prisons should be completely desegregated by gender. People should go to the prison according to their gender identity. And desegregated prisons / sections of prisons should be an option so that genderqueer (= non-binary identified) people can be accommodated, with the prisoners choosing where they go (most likely some men and women would also want to go to the integrated/unisex prisons).
Same for bathrooms: male, female, unisex ... the latter already exist in many places, they are also good as family washrooms. That they might cost additional money in some places (mostly places like supermarkets that currently have exactly two bathrooms - not so much schools and workplaces with dozens of bathrooms, which could easy change a couple of them to unisex so that at least one of them is always within convenient walking distance) is not a valid argument. Bathrooms for the disabled also cost extra, but we don't let businesses or other places get away with not having one nowadays.
Only gender-neutral names for children: Well, this is the transanarchy blog, not the "let's find a common middleground" or "this is how reality is" blog. It's one end of a spectrum, with the other end being people who believe they have the right to use pronouns based on the genitals of the person they refer to. Reality is and should be somewhere in between. It should be closer to the transanarchy side than the triste current mainstream reality side ... but maybe not quite 100% transanarchic. (Is it even anarchy if parents are prohibited to use about 99% of given names for their children?) Apparently in Sweden people are allowed to add one given name for free (without administrative charges or any requirements) once they are over 18, and the requirement that this name fit their legal gender was dropped some time ago. That's already a reasonably good approach - could be better, the dropping of the wrong names should also be allowed easily (it is allowed, but with the typical requirements for name changes).

Jessica wrote:This week the National Post (a more conservative leaning paper in Canada) ran the advert talked about in this article. It's pretty disgraceful that this sort of thing still happens. Pissed me off when I heard about it yesterday.

Stupid jerks. I'm glad people are bringing it to light, and doing something about it.

Eeek. How stupid can people get? Besides the obvious and blatant transphobia, they also show utter cluelessness: They don't even know how to spell transsexual and transgender. They seem to confuse intersexed with an androgynous gender identity. And the material they cite does not even seem to have the goal to get children to discover a possible transgender identity (even though it's probably beneficial for trans kids), its goal seems to be to get children to question gender roles in society - i.e. those fundamentalists are creating a strawman ("booo transsexual scary - if you let your son play with dolls he'll turn into a girl").

ZoraPrime wrote:if someone is androgynous in appearance, it would more likely than not be rude to go up and ask what their gender is

Well you don't go up to people and ask them anything except the time of the day or for directions, or in some cultures (e.g. in the US) where they bought those nice shoes or if and only if they have an accent where they are from.
If, however, this person is not going to stay a stranger and/or you will most likely have a need to refer to the person with pronouns later on (and you can't find out by listening to hir friends what pronouns they use to refer to hir) it is in fact completely okay and desirable to ask for the pronouns they prefer! Politely, of course.
TransWhat: A Guide Towards Allyship: "What pronouns do you prefer?" or "How should I refer to you, gender-wise?" (Do this very politely, and in private if you can.)
Don't ask something along the lines of "are you male or female?", because the person might be any non-binary option ... some genderqueer people love the question because it tells them they have achieved the androgynous look they are going for, but others completely hate it and are hurt (according to what some genderqueer people have written in their blogs and tumblrs about such situations). If the answer is e.g. "ze/hir/hir/hirs/hirself" or one of the variations or another set of genderneutral pronouns, don't ask them if they are androgynous, agender, two-spirited, multigender, multisystem, ... - unless they have already indicated they wish to discuss their gender identity with you. They might not even be genderqueer, but could be in the beginning or middle of transitioning to male or to female and only going by neutral pronouns temporarily. Or they could be questioning their gender. Or prefer to be "U" - unlabeled, unboxed, undefined. So really only ask for the pronouns.
In LGBT+ spaces it's great to ask everyone for their pronouns, no matter which gender presentation.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Brace » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:51 am UTC

Stress is doing odd things to me. Work and school are essentially leaving me no downtime.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby poxic » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:44 am UTC

I don't want to reopen the gatekeeper topic, but I would like to say this much publicly. I probably started the debate, a page or so ago, and have since been educated further by PMs and by reading the posts that followed. I should have realised that trans people would already know a helluva lot more than me about the whole thing and don't need to hear yet another non-trans person say "but have you considered...".

Sorry. I'll behave better now.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby felltir » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:27 am UTC

I'm having some confusion.

I have a friend who I have no idea how to refer to. Because they have told me, upon asking what their gender is, that they prefer male pronouns. So I (foolishly, perhaps) said "Oh, so you're male then. Cool." But the response has confused me. It was:

"I'm not male, I'm male identified."

Wha? Can anyone shed some light here?

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Postby Monika » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:35 pm UTC

Well, some/many of the "Trans 101"s define it like this:
sex (i.e. physical, anatomical): male ....... intersex .......... female
gender (i.e. gender identity): man/boy, male-identified person ........... genderqueer person ......... woman/girl, female-identified person
(Medical texts, at least if they are 10 years old or older, seem to use male and female that way, i.e. they say male transsexual when they mean trans woman and female transsexual when they mean trans man.)

This seems to be somewhat outdated. Most trans people do not seem to stick with this but either go with this:
sex (i.e. physical, anatomical): male-bodied ....... intersex .......... female-bodied
gender (i.e. gender identity): man/boy, male, male-identified person ........... genderqueer person ......... woman/girl, female, female-identified person

or take it one step further and reject the idea that the body of a male (= male-identified) person / boy / man could be female | that the body of a female (= female-identified) person / girl / woman could be male and go with this:
sex: MAAB/AMAB/CAMAB .......... [most intersex children in most countries are also CAMAB/CAFAB]......... FAAB/AFAB/CAFAB
gender: man/boy, male, male-identified, having a male body (which could be e.g. a male vagina) ................ intersex .......... woman/girl, female, female-identified, having a female body
(The acronyms mean: male assigned at birth, assigned male at birth, coercively assigned male at birth and female assigned at birth, assigned female at birth, coercively assigned female at birth.)

I don't have official statistics of course, but just my impression from chat/forum/blogs etc. is: Trans women seem to be more okay with using the word "male-bodied" for pre-transition trans women (+ cis men). Trans men seem to be more likely to reject the word "female-bodied".

So maybe your friend only discovered his gender identity recently and/or only read a Trans 101 recently and goes by that. Or he discovered it not so recently but chose to stay with that definition / word usage anyway because he prefers it. Also I am unsure what the preferred way of expressing body types and gender identities is for intersex people, so no idea if "male-identified, not male" could also be a way of his expressing he is e.g. some version of XX-intersex and identifies as male. But I think it's more likely his way of telling you he is a trans boy / trans man.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Роберт » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:50 pm UTC

Felltir wrote:I'm having some confusion.

I have a friend who I have no idea how to refer to. Because they have told me, upon asking what their gender is, that they prefer male pronouns. So I (foolishly, perhaps) said "Oh, so you're male then. Cool." But the response has confused me. It was:

"I'm not male, I'm male identified."

Wha? Can anyone shed some light here?

It seem pretty simple. Refer to him with male pronouns.

He possibly meant that he's not cissexual or something like that (as Monika suggested), but I wouldn't worry about figuring that out before deciding how to refer to him. He already said he prefers male pronouns.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Monika » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:53 pm UTC

This week is diversity week at work. Monday was the national holiday. On Tuesday was an event about women at work and in management positions - they had invited politicians and other people. Wednesday has an LGBT event. Thursday is about working part-time. Friday has an intercultural event. I have been to the Tuesday event. I intend to go to the LGBT event. This will be my first at work. I also finally signed up for the LGBT mailing list at work, which sends out invitations for weekly lunches.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Jessica » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:34 pm UTC

I had my appointment/interview/session with CAMH today.

Translation: CAMH - Centre for Addictions and Mental Health.
Relevance: CAMH (pronounced cam-H) is where the the Gender Identity Clinic is located, which has a program that can pay for my SRS surgery.

Met two people today, a psychiatrist, and a psychologist. Each had a student with them. Had to go over my life story in different detail for each of them. I had to submit a life story in writing beforehand. It was a long day of interviews, but I think I'm going to be accepted. I'll find out in around 8 weeks, and hopefully they won't have a followup session, and will instead talk surgery with me.

I hope it went well. I really do. Psychologist visit went better then psychiatrist visit. But that's probably just my nerves.
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Postby Shivahn » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:35 pm UTC

I hope it went well too. Good luck!
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby FreyasSpirit » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:39 am UTC

Good luck Jessica, I'm sure you'll get in.


I have a psych appointment on Monday, then an appointment with a different endo a week from Tuesday. I already have my "before" bloodwork done. I'm trying to figure out how to approach these and make a contingency plan if I get denied hormones. I could attempt to appease the gatekeepers or I could continue to approach different endos until I find one that will give me hormones on the first visit. The last option is to start DIY while I try to find one willing to help me. The possibility of being denied hormones is making me anxious and is affecting my ability to concentrate on school. I'm really not sure what I should do if this endo tries to deny me hormones.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Monika » Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:48 am UTC

Good luck Jessica!
Good luck FreyasSpirit!


I was at the LGBT event at work yesterday. It was interesting and fun.
There was a recorded video message of one of our co-CEOs and a call-in of the head of recruiting, both pledging support.
Then they (LGBT group core team) talked about the 10-year history of the group. Apparently it started out because someone posted a homophobic comment in an internal newsgroup (that's like a forum, for you kids :P). They have had many successes, including being allowed to carry an SAP flag during the CSD (interesting side discussion about the machine-washability of flags) and the creation of a gender transition guideline in 2008 that tells managers how they have to support an employee who transitions their gender at work. I like this statement in the guideline: What should I (i.e. the manager) do if one of the other colleagues has objections to the transitioning colleague using the gender-appropriate bathroom? 1. (this is the same answer to basically all questions) Point the colleague to the non-discrimination policy that prohibits discrimination based on gender identity. 2. If they still object, advise that colleague (i.e. the cis / objecting colleague) to use a single-stall bathroom. :D
After that there was a travesty / comedy show.
In the end there was delicious food nom nom nom and music.

I met one of my former students there! I did not recognize her, but she recognized me and said hi ... luckily she reintroduced herself and reminded me that she was in one of the coding projects that I oversaw as a tutor (student teacher). I remembered the name though. She had been good.

I wonder if it was wrong to go there with the rainbow shirt I had bought while I was in California this year. Nobody else wore any pride clothes or signs.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby natraj » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:06 pm UTC

Good luck Jessica! And FreyasSpirit!

Also that is pretty cool, Monika, it is nice to have workplaces that are keeping that kind of thing in mind.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Vaniver » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:59 pm UTC

Monika wrote:Oh yeah. Can I has a manual?
Yeah, actually- just search Amazon for something like "style" or "fashion," maybe with "guide." Unfortunately, fashion has a pretty strong sex binary (thanks to sexual dimorphism of body shapes and sizes), and so it may be difficult to find useful advice if you don't match up to the mainstream.

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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby felltir » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:09 pm UTC

See, the CAMH thing confused me, because my therapy began at a place called CAMHS (Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services). Thanks for explaining.
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Postby Bassoon » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:59 am UTC

I found this online and it seems like it's a pretty decent infographic. I can't speak for the trans side of things, of course, but I think it sounded about right from what I've heard from people here as well as elsewhere.
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Postby natashatasha » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:36 am UTC

Well, my mood has been going up and down like a yo-yo on a pogo stick, but last night something happened to cheer me up. I was playing a game with some friends while talking over Teamspeak, and my room-mate remembered the entire time to call me Natasha (well, he called me 'Tash' but that's a nice nickname ^_^), and used the right pronouns the whole way through. I was so happy with that!

However, later that night I got into an argument with someone (spoilered for trans-phobia):
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I told them about how I reported someone for calling me a ‘gay cunt’ in the game, and that when I did so the person I reported responded with ‘good’. Their response? By reporting him to the authority I was violating his right to free speech, and that anyone should be able to say anything they like.

The person I was talking to knows me as a lesbian, since I always present as female online, and couldn’t seem to understand that getting disparaging remarks every day could just wear you down over time.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby podbaydoor » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:13 pm UTC

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Oh jeez, I hate that kind of stupidity. Not just the callous dismissal, but also the incredibly wrong basic idea that free speech has anything to do with saying whatever you like. The government can't stop you. Private companies are perfectly allowed to stop you if you're on their property/servers. And any freedom of speech also includes people being able to say whatever they like back to to the original speaker. This is fundamentally basic. :x
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Postby Shivahn » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:17 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:
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Oh jeez, I hate that kind of stupidity. Not just the callous dismissal, but also the incredibly wrong basic idea that free speech has anything to do with saying whatever you like. The government can't stop you. Private companies are perfectly allowed to stop you if you're on their property/servers. And any freedom of speech also includes people being able to say whatever they like back to to the original speaker. This is fundamentally basic. :x

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Yeah, I have the free speech to say whatever I want and if you want to say something about it, you're violating my free speech. So you're not allowed :roll:
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Postby a_fuzzyduck » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:41 pm UTC

Shivahn wrote:
podbaydoor wrote:
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Oh jeez, I hate that kind of stupidity. Not just the callous dismissal, but also the incredibly wrong basic idea that free speech has anything to do with saying whatever you like. The government can't stop you. Private companies are perfectly allowed to stop you if you're on their property/servers. And any freedom of speech also includes people being able to say whatever they like back to to the original speaker. This is fundamentally basic. :x

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Yeah, I have the free speech to say whatever I want and if you want to say something about it, you're violating my free speech. So you're not allowed :roll:


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I always felt that free speech includes the freedom to identify bigots in general. Not many bigots seem to agree with that though...
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Postby Brace » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:25 pm UTC

Why is this all spoiler'd? It doesn't seem triggering at all. Anyways, a mod can edit this post if they like, but as a personal anecdote I was once banned from a forum for calling someone a bigot on the basis that it was a personal attack.
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Postby felltir » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:31 pm UTC

I think it's because this safespace is where people come to escape from that stupidity, and so might not want it being discussed here.
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Postby natashatasha » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:25 am UTC

Because I wanted to vent, but understand some people come here to escape this sort of crap in real life, so I thought it best to spoiler it rather than upset anyone. Better having to click the button than having someone feel unwelcome in their own safespace.
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Postby FreyasSpirit » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:40 am UTC

Finally shaved my legs ^_^

And wore my dress around the apartment for the first time.

Legs are itchy and sensitive and the more I feel them, the more I feel like I missed a few spots. I guess I'll fix that when I shower tomorrow night.
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Postby PM 2Ring » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:29 am UTC

FreyasSpirit wrote:Finally shaved my legs ^_^

And wore my dress around the apartment for the first time.


Yay!

FreyasSpirit wrote:Legs are itchy and sensitive and the more I feel them, the more I feel like I missed a few spots. I guess I'll fix that when I shower tomorrow night.


Your legs will get used to being shaved after you've done it a few times. I recommend that you don't try to fix the missed spots tomorrow - let your legs recover for a week or so. When your legs are accustomed to being shaved you can get away with shaving them more frequently (say, twice weekly), if you so desire. But at this stage, I think it's a good idea to let them recuperate. Otherwise, you risk damaging some hair follicles and getting ingrown hairs, which isn't much fun.

Another issue with damage from shaving is the risk of skin bacteria getting into damaged follicles or pores, but that can be minimized if you exfoliate before shaving and you use some kind of antibacterial cleanser before & after shaving. I like to use well-diluted water-soluble Australian Ti-Tree oil, but rubbing alcohol is good, too. A beauty therapist once told me that it's a not a good idea to rub your freshly shaved legs with your hands, since your hands tend to harbour bacteria, unless they're scrupulously clean. I find that shaving rash & ingrown hairs are much less likely to occur if I shave fairly regularly. I also find that dry shaving, using talc as a lubricant (as described in a recent post) is much kinder to the skin than wet shaving, and it also seems to be much less likely to cause shaving rash or ingrown hairs.
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Postby PictureSarah » Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:28 pm UTC

Also, did you moisturize after you shaved? Sometimes itchy and sensitive = dry. I would find an unscented moisturizer, or one that is for sensitive skin if you can, with ingredients like shea butter.
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Postby FreyasSpirit » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:27 am UTC

Sigh. Psych appointment was an absolute fail. She mentioned the Harry Benjamin standards and told me there was essentially no chance to get hormones within Kaiser without a letter from her or another therapist. I'll probably wait until next tuesday when I get to see another endo to see if anything magical happens. If not, I'll probably just make an appointment with the tuesday night clinic and get my hormones there.
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Postby RollingHead » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:00 pm UTC

Sorry for changing the subject, but I heard that today (11th of october) is national coming out day in several countries not including mine, is this a real thing?
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Postby felltir » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:02 pm UTC

RollingHead wrote:Sorry for changing the subject, but I heard that today (11th of october) is national coming out day in several countries not including mine, is this a real thing?


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Postby Bassoon » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:04 pm UTC

It is indeed! I wrote a little note on the whiteboard on my door about it, but it was erased by the time I got back from class and nobody said anything about it. I guess that's...okay?
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Postby Vaniver » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:00 am UTC

Hm. Should have worn my rainbow shirt to class today. Oops.
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Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:05 am UTC

We tomorrow people weren't told until today was yesterday, so nothing came of it for me.
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Postby Feddlefew » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:28 am UTC

I don't have anyone to tell. And it only maters once in awhile (No, I will not wear a dress to the wedding reception, thank you.) and tends to confuse people.... >_>;

Soooo, lately, I've been having this conversation a lot:

Me: I don't understand why men don't view me as a possible romantic partner.
Other people: You need act more girly and show some cleavage.
Me: What is "acting girly" and I don't don't like to show cleavage.
Other people: (Ranges from "stop talking about science and games so much" to "Well, maybe you like other women...")
Me: ....

I also need to find a pantsuit which A) fits and B) doesn't look frumpy. Any suggestions?
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Postby PictureSarah » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:00 am UTC

http://www.victoriassecret.com/clothing/suiting

Victoria's Secret actually has some very nice looking pantsuits that are definitely not frumpy-looking...but they don't have plus sizes, so that might be a concern. They do offer the pants in several different inseam lengths, though!
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Postby Feddlefew » Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:13 am UTC

PictureSarah wrote:http://www.victoriassecret.com/clothing/suiting

Victoria's Secret actually has some very nice looking pantsuits that are definitely not frumpy-looking...but they don't have plus sizes, so that might be a concern. They do offer the pants in several different inseam lengths, though!


That was the last place I thought of looking. Thank you so much.

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Postby FreyasSpirit » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:57 am UTC

Bassoon wrote:It is indeed! I wrote a little note on the whiteboard on my door about it, but it was erased by the time I got back from class and nobody said anything about it. I guess that's...okay?

Ooh, I just happened to wear my pride shirt today. Didn't get many comments which isn't a good or bad thing.
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Postby Zeroignite » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:01 am UTC

I posted that I'm trans on FB today. Pretty much everyone close to me already knows, but it felt like a good thing to do.
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