[L] Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels Mafia - Game Over

[Lataro]

Vote: GoP

So long as we don't risk a NL, I'll place my vote back where it was.

[Angua]

This whole not making it tied thing is ridiculous - now you're just going to get people only voting for the person with the most votes so it doesn't look like they're tieing it. Whereas if people just voted for who they think is suspicious, if they pick the lower one, they make it tied, regardless of whether or not someone else will come along (like Chandani just did, but apparently got scared off) and vote to make it non-tied. Especially now that we know that ties don't lead to a no-lynch.

[Lorenz]

FoS: Angua
FoS: Chandani

@Angua: Lataro unvoting not to keep the votes tied is a perfectly valid and correct move, assuming tied votes could lead to no lynch. Especially this close to deadline. You have been extremely suspicious in your last posts. enough for me to
Unvote
Vote: Angua

You have been very flaky, changing your opinion over and over again after being called on things.

@Chandani, for being scared to tie the votes, after it was clear that it wouldn't lead to a no lynch.

[Lataro]

To be clear:

If someone ties it, no biggie. It no longer is as big a deal as it was before.

Since we get a lynch still at tied votals, while it isn't ideal to have a tie, it's not a big no-no it was before we were sure we'd get a lynch, and not a tie=NL situation.

At this point, vote were your suspicions are.

[Angua]

Ah - sorry, the games I've been playing recently haven't had no-lynch ties so I forgot you get that sometimes in mafia.

And, for the record, I voted for who I thought was the most suspicious - and didn't even realise that tied them. I will remember this for the future.

[mpolo]

Woah. This deadline hit faster than I was thinking.

Vote GoP

He's got the slight bit of scumminess already noted, and I would rather not have a coinflip decide this for purposes of discussion tomorrow.

Greenlover put enough doubt into what I thought I had remembered that I am going for GoP in the few seconds I have to get this post in.

[Lorenz]

Unvote
Vote: Gopher of Pern

I'm very suspicious of Angua, and wanted to let it known. In order to avoid wine ("Oh, you unvoted before deadline, you are probably teams with GoP"), I shall place my vote were I originally had it, with a very suspicious player.

[mpolo]

EBWOP: I guess I had almost an hour to make the post. (Daylight time confused me…) Anyway, the vote stays.

[roband]

To be exact, deadline is at 4 minutes past the next hour. Votes after that time will not be counted.

[Lataro]

The last official post of the day? Dun Dun Dun!

[roband]

Final Day 1 Votals:
Boomfrog 1 (Greenlover)
Lataro 1 (GoP)
Greenlover 4 (BoomFrog, weiy, Entropy, Angua)
GoP 5 (Lorenz, DBC, infina, Lataro, mpolo)
Adam H 1 (webby)
Roadierich 1 (Adam H)


Gopher of Pern has been lynched. His role will be revealed in the morning. It is now night. Day 2 will start in about 62 hours. Any night actions not received by then will NOT take effect.

[slbub]

so i guess i should post since it's been a while, lots of all-nighters and papers for the mid terms due with another to finish hanging over my head as i speak, or type. any who...

as i see it GoP did not really fall on the side of the fence of looking helpful, his first post was a big thing for me seeming like a mafioso trying to get info, but along those same lines he looks more like an independent to me, searching for answers and trying to get others to give information away.

therefore,

vote: GoP

even if the vote runs as a tine the best that can be hoped for is that the coin lands on the right side!

[slbub]

EBWOP:

oh well, i guess i just didn't see that forth page, all the same i think i need sleep not another night of awake-ness.

[roband]

Night is extended by 24 hours. So whatever it was before, plus 24 hours. Just after 10am BST tomorrow morning.

[roband]

Gopher of Pern was lynched. He was John, part of Dog’s gang. He was immune to night actions.

The night passed, as many do in this part of London, quietly apart from a couple of gunshots and a strange moaning which half sounded like someone being beaten to death.
Then as everyone woke, they found the bodies.

Lataro has been killed. He was Soap, part of Eddy’s gang. No abilities of which he was aware.
Beaten, bloodied and then shot, just to make sure. Poor bastard.

Adam H is dead. He was Lenny, part of Rory’s gang. He was the primary bodyguard.
Bees and Uncle Toby gone, shot in the jumping jack. It looks like he never even saw the fucker who put him down.

Weiyaoli is dead. He was Eddy, leader of Eddy’s gang. No abilities of which he was aware.
Somebody went to town on this guy. There’s claret everywhere. Shot numerous fucking times, he never stood a chance.

It is now Day 2.

With 15 players alive, we require 8 votes to lynch.
I'll see how the activity is and set a posting requirement/deadline if I feel I have to.

[roband]

Oh and also, I figured I'd just tell you all in one go - There are no Listener-type roles in this game. Any PM sent as part of this game will not wind up in the hands of unintended recipients.

Yes, yes, I stole that line from Aaeriele.

[_infina_]

So, Eddy's gang must be half dead now, and Dog's and Rory's gangs are down one. That means the only gang at full strength is Harry's.

[Lorenz]

Well, first thing first.

FoS:
1. infina
2. RoadieRich
4. gojoe
9. slbub
10. entropy
14. PhoenixEnigma
1 Mavketl
19. Chandani

For not voting, especially Chandani who was afraid of risking tying the votes after it was specified it wouldn't be NL. I guess they DID specify they wanted to lynch GoP, so we have that information at least. I'll later check if others specified a voting preference but didn't vote. And Slbub also, his late vote could actually be a mistake, or just a way to make us think he really wanted to vote GoP also. I'll just be ignoring that post for now.

We have quite a bit of information to look over, knowing the factions of 4 people, we can begin to make some nifty connections.

Is flavor at all an indication as to who killed who?

Also, did anyone get Nick's item? If so, only discuss what it does if it'll be helpful for "collective town".

[Lorenz]

Let me correct that FoS


FoS:
2. RoadieRich
4. gojoe
9. slbub
14. PhoenixEnigma
1 Mavketl
19. Chandani

[mpolo]

And there were three kills in the night. We haven't seen anything obvious about the "item" that Nick the Greek gave someone, unless it provided one of these kills. However, there are three gangs that seemed likely to have a kill (Harry, Rory and Dog), so it is at least plausible that the "item" wasn't a kill. (This presumes that there were roleblocks or doctors around.)

Ninja-ed. (Internet problems)

We're still assuming that the factions are all groups of four, right? (I think they were all groups of four in the movie, though that would include either Little Chris or some poker buddy in Harry's group, unless I'm missing an obvious fourth for that group.) If we're all agreed on that, then there would have to be 3 independents or partially-aligned players.

[Mavketl]

Mostly posting right now to apologize for inactivity at the end of D1. The day end was at the worst possible moment for me, a couple of hours before I got home from a weekend away without internet access. I'll post some content soon.

[Angua]

It's interesting that Eddy's gang (the one that seemed most likely to be town) ended up the worst off after last night, while Harry's (the one most likely to be mafia) got off scot free. Of course, as people are generally targeting people blindly in mafia, it's probably just a coincidence, but I think it's an interesting one.

Anyway, I'd like to hear from the people who were quite inactive yesterday - especially gojoe.

[Lorenz]

It's interesting that Eddy's gang (the one that seemed most likely to be town) ended up the worst off after last night, while Harry's (the one most likely to be mafia) got off scot free. Of course, as people are generally targeting people blindly in mafia, it's probably just a coincidence, but I think it's an interesting one.

Yes, blind targeting could explain this. If Eddy's gang doesn't have a NK, they are more likely to be shot than a faction that does have a NK.
Still, any claims that may occur will probably help us figure it out with more precision what happened.

[BoomFrog]

Well I GoP turned out to be scum, and AdamH turned out to be scum. I see no reason to not lynch Greenlover today.

Vote Greenlover

I think it is very possible that there are only 3 people each in the Scum factions. The idea that there are 4 in each came from GoP I believe. And he didn't seem to be aware that he should be trying to be subtle so there's probably 4 in dogs gang at least.

It looks like the druggies are simply part of Rory's gang. Primary Bodyguard is an interesting role name. It implies that there is a secondary bodyguard. I would guess that the bodyguards either make Rory NK immune while they are alive or they simply take the NK for him, although the 2nd one seems kinda weak so I'm leaning towards the first option.

[BoomFrog]

Ebwop: Although why have primary and secondary in that case? I guess it is the second option unless someone else can think of something that makes sense.

[slbub]

ok so with the fos on me i got back from a really late bible class and remembered that i still had to post something in the game so i went on and went to the lock stock, which i had left open on page three, checking the last comment on that page (which is why i was talking about a tie break if you doubt me) so after i posted it i saw page four had been partially filled up and that the day had ended, (hence my EBWOP).

any way i think that there is a strong possiblity of role blockers and doctors due to only three kills with three groups AND nicks "gift" so that is a kill left out or either not used by that faction as has happened in other games.

@ boomfrog, the primary body gaurd might be the one that takes a bullet first, the secondary might be the one that takes a bullet second. i think that we should keep in mind that if there are doctors, they could all too easily protect Rory, if this is true, by just protecting the body guards.

as for your vote, i wouldn't say it is out of place, just a little bit before a decent analysis has been done on other players.

[mpolo]

Two bodyguards seems like a lot for Rory -- a two-shot unnightkillable [or extremely difficult to kill, if he is protected as long as one is alive? If we are reading correctly that there are two bodyguards, that likely means that there are less other powers in that group.

There is also the interesting point that the two "Eddy" members had no powers they were aware of. That would seem to indicate that they could gain powers in certain situations.

[Lorenz]

Bodyguard doesn't need to be a "take the bullet for you" power necessarily. It could simply be a different power(for example, roadblock) that transfers from one to another after the first is killed.

any way i think that there is a strong possiblity of role blockers and doctors due to only three kills with three groups AND nicks "gift" so that is a kill left out or either not used by that faction as has happened in other games.

That seems to imply that you either know that Nicks' gift is a kill. Would you mind elaborating?

[slbub]

Each night, one lucky player will be visited by Nick the Greek. They will be supplied with a mystery item - that item will also provide the player with a one-shot ability which must be used. This player will be randomly selected.

i took the "ONE SHOT ABILITY" to mean a kill,but now i see that this could be something else. oops

[RoadieRich]

Checking in. Will post more when this mood has li. fted, and I feel a little more ambivalent about the world at large.

[webby]

Ok, so three nightkills - I would say that the most likely explanation for that is two factional nightkills plus an independent or vig.

Just to confirm, it's likely GoP and Adam H were scum and Lataro and weiyaoli were town? That would leave 15 players - possibly 6 scum (split 3-3), 6 town and 3 independents?

I can't see any reason not to lynch greenlover either - the train of thought worked for the GoP lynch, so why not try it again? At some stage we should probably start worrying about the lurkers - we don't want to lynch all the active players and have the game die, but for now there's plenty of activity in the game.

Vote: greenlover

[_infina_]

Okay, I am going to attempt to pull informatioN out of the day start pOst to look at.

Lataro was beaten, bloodied, and shot. This seems like iT would be either from Dog's gang, or from harry's group.

Adam H was assassInated. This seems like somethiNg a professional would do, which makes me think this was from Harry's Group. Thus, Lataro would have been killed by Dog's group.

weiyaoli appears to Have been involved in a onE-sided shootout. That makes me think of RoRy's druggiEs.

Probable roles remaining, by faction:

Eddy's Gang: Bacon, Tom
Dog's Gang: Dog, GM1, GM2
Rory's Gang: Rory, member1, member2
Harry's Group: Harry, Barry, Big Chris, Little Chris
IND: The Chemist, Eddy's Father, The Traffic Warden

I have yet to make up my mind on greenlover. Boomfrog has appeared to give away his faction(at least to me).

It's interesting that Eddy's gang (the one that seemed most likely to be town) ended up the worst off after last night, while Harry's (the one most likely to be mafia) got off scot free. Of course, as people are generally targeting people blindly in mafia, it's probably just a coincidence, but I think it's an interesting one.

Something about this doesn't quite sit right with me...I am add this as a reminder to myself to go and look back a bit more on this.

[Entropy]

NOT IN HERE

Your hidden message was not particularly hidden, but it is rather obtuse... what was your goal with this?

[DaBigCheez]

More accurately, it was "NOTHING HERE" as I read it (extras in "harry", "Group").

I'm immediately suspicious, but I don't know whether it's a very poorly-thought-out soft roleclaim/breadcrumb as a power role, a very poorly-thought-out attempt to communicate info to his faction as a power role, or a slightly-less-poorly-thought-out attempt to fool others into thinking he's a power role when vanilla and draw a kill, which would spill a ton of wine if he's town and would make no sense if he's scum.

_infina_: Explain, please.

I'm still going through the previous day's votes in light of what we now know in order to get a clearer picture of links between players, in addition to doing that detailed read-through I promised earlier; I've been keeping up, but haven't had the time to go through in the kind of detail I want before placing a vote, and haven't had anything useful to contribute until now. Will try to get it up sometime tomorrow.

[Angua]

Infina's message is extremely confusing - them needing to send a secret message to their own team makes no sense this early in the day though. I wonder if they could be being controlled by another player into putting the secret message in there (also, I feel a bit sheepish in as much as I wouldn't have noticed if it hadn't been pointed out ) An explanation would definitely be good.

I'm not sure about the greenlover votes - don't you think we should be looking at what we think about other players on d2 before we start just following on with what we were doing in d1 when we weren't sure what was going on? Minor FoS to both boomfrog and webby for doing that so quickly.

I don't know what to think about the primary/secondary body guard thing - I would think that it would be taking a kill for rory twice, but I don't know enough about non-vanilla powers in mafia to know what else could be on the table. Lorenz - what did you mean by a 'roadblock'?

Anyway, vote Gojoe - he's been too quiet in my opinion, and I don't really want that going unnoticed. We don't have a deadline yet, and I'm not comfortable with lynching active players without hearing from the lurkers.

[_infina_]

That whole post has just become proof that I was able to direct your attention away from what actually said, with a message that means nothing about anything outside of that post. It was meant to be found and discussed. It tells me nobody has much of an idea what is going on yet. It was just a last minute addition to my post when I had read through the whole thing and realized that after the twenty minutes I had put into it, it really had nothing in it that was new or singularly useful. To sum it up with bullet points:

• "Nothing here " was the text.
• Designed to be instantly noticeable
• Self-referential
• Fit to the post

Also, hello entropy, could we get some bigger posts out of you?

[slbub]

Ok so I went lurker hunting and I think I found a nice one to hang on my wall, PhoenixEnigma. For one they haven't posted in a week, and their last post contained this...

Lataro gets on my watch list for the excessive FoS'ing. In a day or two (in the unlikely event they survive ), that's going to have the effect of a supersoaker filled with wine. particularly with the choice quote of "Anyway, vote or GTFO, don't be wishy washy." Votes count. FoS are wine, until they're a vote. However, this is Lataro. Pass.

Since the event of the death of Lataro, I'm not sure if this was an attempt to frame Phoenix or if it is bad playing, but the lurking and the coincidence are more than it should be, so...

vote: PhoenixEnigma

[mpolo]

So. _infina_ is either telling the truth about the hidden message [i.e. it is meaningless], or he was communicating the results of a night action to his group. There would have been a lot more subtle ways to communicate such a result, so I guess I'm going to let that pass for now.

I agree that the lurkers need to be pressured into contributing. If nothing is forthcoming, I would be happy to add another vote there to get some information out of them.

The greenlover argument is a little weak. Yes, GoP was from a faction that we presume to have a kill, but I remain uncertain that this is the right way to go. I would definitely want to hear more from greenlover.

Angua says that BF has given away his faction. Are you saying that he's probably on Harry's team and is gloating over last night? Or that he's on Eddy's team and is complaining? Or something else?

@Lorenz: You're right about bodyguards. There are a number of different powers that could have that description. I latched on to one of BF's suggested powers too quickly.

[roband]

Deadline is now set at 108 hours from the next hour. That's 4 and a half days. 12noon BST Thursday.

[slbub]

question for mod: is the no post mod kill thing, repeated for this day?