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by **DaBigCheez** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:48 am UTC

Mods: DaBigCheez, Aaeriele

The Huns have come to China. The main force of the Chinese Army lies in ruins; now, the last hope for China rests with a group of raw recruits. And that group is in grave peril.

A scout reported back, claiming he'd seen a small group of Huns approaching the camp. The other scout never reported back at all, which was every bit as telling - especially since at roll call, the numbers still added up to the full complement.

The Huns have infiltrated the Chinese Army encampment; if the army were to move against the main horde, their movements would surely be tracked, and it'd just be a matter of time before they walked into an ambush. The only way to proceed is to remove the Huns from their ranks first; only then can they mobilize to protect China.

Most of the recruits did little more than to murmur uncertainly amongst themselves, and sleep more uneasily in their beds at night. But a small group convened, with the objective of cleansing the Hun infestation from their ranks...whatever it takes.

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Additional Rules:
1. Game days will last 72 hours. If there is a vote within half an hour of the scheduled deadline, the deadline will be extended to half an hour from the time of the vote's placement. This process may be repeated so long as new votes continue to be placed. This is intended to prevent last-minute vote-snipes, not to push out the time (or time zone) of day end. Abuse of this mechanic with the intent of artificially extending the day will be met with displeasure from the mods.
2. In the event of a tied vote, whichever player has remained at that number of votes or higher for the greatest unbroken period of time (continuous with the deadline) shall be lynched. (Put simply, "whoever got there first, without then getting unvoted below the tie level.")
3. Unless otherwise discussed with the mods, players must provide at least two content-containing posts per game day (72 hours). Producing only a single post in a game day, or producing multiple posts devoid of content, will earn a warning; further infractions will result in a modkill. Producing no posts in a game day, unless cleared with mods beforehand, will result in a modkill.

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Role PMs are going out now. Roles were assigned via random.org. The game has NOT yet begun. The game will begin on Saturday, Oct. 15th at 7:00 PM GMT (noon Pacific).

Please send any questions about your role PM to me and Aaeriele. All PMs relating to the game should have "Mulanfia" in the subject, for sorting purposes.

by **Aaeriele** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:01 am UTC

Role PMs are now out. You may confirm if you want, but this is not required. If you have any questions, please PM the mods (both of us) with them. Game will start in a little under 16 hours.

by **mpolo** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:39 am UTC

Confirming (because I want to).

by **Lorenz** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:22 am UTC

Confirming (Because mpolo did so)

by **Lataro** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:45 pm UTC

FoS: Lorenz
FoS: Mpolo

For confirming rather than posting something more meaningful.

So, closed setup, I can't speak for others, but my role seems to draw a lot from (what seems like, as I haven't watched the movie, any knowledge I have from this movie comes from Kingdom Hearts 2) flavor.

Likely town, from reading the wiki summary:
Mulan
Mushu
Li Shang
Yao
Ling
Chien-Po
Emporor
Cri-Kee
Chi-Fu

Scum:
Shan Yu
Generic huns

In looking over, the "good news" seems to be that indies are very unlikely here, it seems petty cut and dry for the most part.

by **DaBigCheez** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:00 pm UTC

As the sun rose over the encampment, the rumblings of unease could be heard from the soldiers as they lined up for roll call. But rather than fearful grumblings, a small group began to search for the intruders in earnest...

Day 1 has begun. Deadline set for Tuesday, October 18th at 7:00pm GMT (noon Pacific) - 72 hours from now.

10 players alive. 6 votes to lynch.

by **BoomFrog** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:20 pm UTC

I haven't read the wiki yet so I don't know who most of those characters are yet. I only remember Mulan and Mushu. But why do you think the emperor would be one of the "small ragtag band of soilders"? I don't think he fits. Also what lead you to belive no indies? There's always some sort of bizzare justification for a survivor or jester.

by **Lorenz** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:23 pm UTC

I didn't want to be the first to say it, but yes, assuming no indies seems like a dangerous thing to do. Sure, the plot might lend itself for no indies, but leading us to believe such a thing could be an indie job.
so, FoS: Lataro for suggesting it and for posting content before the game started.

by **webby** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:07 am UTC

I'm here, I watched parts of the movie (although it was a long time ago and I don't know if I gave it my full attention at the time) so I'll read the wiki page to catch up. It does seem pretty clear which characters would be town and scum, although I also agree that there's always a way to put independents in the game.

I would guess there would be 7 town, 3 scum or 6 town, 2 scum, 2 indies or 6-3-1. So until I find out more about the game, I would suggest we're looking for three scum. I think that fits in with most games this size where town can afford one wrong lynch and one nightkill before it's MYLO or LYLO.

by **mpolo** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:28 am UTC

Lorenz wrote:I didn't want to be the first to say it, but yes, assuming no indies seems like a dangerous thing to do. Sure, the plot might lend itself for no indies, but leading us to believe such a thing could be an indie job.
so, FoS: Lataro for suggesting it and for posting content before the game started.

This would be the reason why I didn't post any content in my confirmation post.

For what it's worth, the speculation to date seems reasonable. As BoomFrog said, the Emporer is likely only present as an NPC (if at all), as he doesn't fit into the "group of soldiers" idea. There are 10 of us, so if scum are 33%, there should be three scum, possibly with some power or indie presence to improve their chances. Alternatively, there could be four, but without any powers against a power-heavy town. All in all, I think that 3 scum is what we're looking at.

Flavor would make independents unlikely, but I will allow that there's always some way to work them in if the mod wants to.

I'm presuming that most of the powers and such are going to be pretty standard, but there was a hint of a tiny amount of bastardry, which could well indicate something unexpected in the powers front.

by **Angua** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:40 am UTC

What exactly is the difference between closed set up and open?

Also,

mpolo wrote:I'm presuming that most of the powers and such are going to be pretty standard, but there was a hint of a tiny amount of bastardry, which could well indicate something unexpected in the powers front.

Am I missing something? Where was the hint of bastardry.

I think that if there is going to be an independent, it would probably just be one, as the flavour doesn't seem to give much in the way of indy characters. A quick review of the plot on wikipedia doesn't seem to suggest any characters being out for themselves.

by **mpolo** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:18 am UTC

Angua wrote:Am I missing something? Where was the hint of bastardry.

SignUp Thread wrote:Bastardry: Slight to moderate. The mods will never deliberately provide incorrect information.

by **mpolo** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:22 am UTC

EBWOP:

An open setup means that everything about the roles and their powers is public information from the start. (Smalltown would be an extreme example of this.)

There are lots of semi-open setups where the setup is chosen between a number of possible setups. (This is especially common in vanilla games.)

A closed setup is one where only the mods know the details of the setup. This one is pretty much a closed setup. Which means that on day one, we can speculate on the setup, hence providing something to talk about, and a chance for scum to make a mistake early on.

by **Angua** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:01 am UTC

Ok thanks - I guess I'd just forgotten the original sign up thread

by **Silknor** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:52 pm UTC

4 scum and 6 town seems a bit too extreme. That's a possible LYLO on day 1. 3 scum is probably as good a guess as any, though 2 is possible as well (e.g. in F11 games, it's 2 scum 7 town 0 indep, so 2 scum 6-7 town 1-2 indep is not out of the question).

Without knowing much about the flavor, I still wouldn't rule out independents. There's always room for them (depressed=jester, anyone with a grudge=lyncher), and there's no guarantee the mods put fidelity to flavor above achieving the game design they want (I never have).

If, as indicated, all the information the mods provide is accurate, then presumably any bastardy will come from subverting our expectations, possibly with unusual powers or setups, possibly by going against what you'd expect for a certain character based on background flavor, etc.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:49 pm UTC

I would think that if there's an independent in this game it's likely to be Chi-Fu. Actually, come to think of it, if Chi-Fu is in the game I think it's quite likely, for flavour-reasons, that he is independent. (Chi-Fu would be the slimy advisor). Which makes Lataro's post ping my radar a wee bit since he both puts Chi-Fu quite low on his list of possible town-roles and also dismisses independent roles so easily. However those are also both things that can be easily explained by lack of knowledge of flavour so I'm quite meh-ish about the whole thing.

by **Lorenz** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:33 am UTC

Well, I just watched the movie. I'll make a few notes on possible scum and independents.

Possible independents:

Chi-Fu : Could be a lyncher for Li Shang or Mulan. He tries to keep the chinese army from going to battle, doesn't like Li Shang being promoted to captain, and wants Mulan killed after it is known she is a she.

The Matchmaker: Could be a lyncher for Mulan, since Mulan brings her dishonor.

I didn't Identify anyone else that might be independent, as a survivor or serial killer. It's possible, but it wouldn't be anything obvious.

Scum:

Shan Yu: The evil guy. A NK would be the most obvious power, but probably shared by mafia. He could have a 1-shot kill immunity (in the movie he comes back from the snow, after everyone thought he was dead).

Falcon pet: Always with Shan Yu. Possible roleblock-steal (In the movie it steals items from the hands of others, and brings items to Shang Yu).

Other Huns: There aren't any that particularly stand out, so could be vanilla or have some random power.

By quickly skimming the wiki, I wouldn't be able to come to the conclusion that no independents is likely. I would actually assume them. For that:
Vote: Lataro

by **Chandani** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:14 am UTC

How likely is it that Chi-Fu is on the battlefield? The flavour given at the beginning indicates that it's taking place in the army. I'm not sure if Chi-Fu would be there, and I'm almost positively sure that the Matchmaker wouldn't be with the army (though I could be wrong: I haven't seen the movies in years. Plus it would be kind of funny if the matchmaker was there...). Though I guess Silknor could be right and the mods might not care about flavour knowledge. In that case, Chi-Fu is still more likely than the Matchmaker since Chi-Fu has a bigger role.

Anyway, if the above suppositions are true, I do think that with the setting in the army, there could be independents. For some reason, I want to say Mushu could be an independent since he's supposed to be Mulan's guardian and thus his goal would be to protect her, though I'm not sure how that would translate into mafia roles. If not this, I wouldn't be surprised if Mulan/Mushu/other characters (?) are in a mason group of some sort, or something else related to Mulan's secret, since that is a major point to the story. At the very least, I'm assuming that Mulan wouldn't be allowed to role-claim at all, if we were allowed to role-claim in the first place. If we weren't, I would think there would be some restriction on her.

I find Lorenz's vote a bit... sudden, though we are halfway through the day. Considering that Lataro stated that his knowledge did not come from the movie but rather from Kingdom Hearts, I think any mistakes on rolespec would come from that.

by **Lorenz** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:51 am UTC

I guess it's possible, but having main characters playing that wouldn't be in the battlefield seems like a very likely situation. It could be either way, but speculating on that may not lead us anywhere.

Chi-Fu has a high chance of being in the battlefield, as he was always with the army. The matchmaker wouldn't be.

Also, Lataro stated that they read the wiki. You seem overprotective of him.

by **Gopher of Pern** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:10 am UTC

Coming in flavourblind. I know very little about this.

I agree that 7 town / 3 scum or 6 town / 3 scum / 1 indy are the most likely setups, with an unknown number of powers. Thats as much role spec as I could give.

I also find it odd that Lataro thinks indies are unlikely. I guess Lataro will explain themselves in due time. It isn't part of his usual MO.

Considering Lataro's behaviour in the past, I would be very surprised if he doesn't applaud Lorenz for voting!

Vote: Chandani

For linking with Lataro.

by **BoomFrog** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:20 am UTC

Lorenz wrote:I didn't want to be the first to say it

Why didn't you want to be the first to say it? I'm not following the logic here.

Lorenz wrote:By quickly skimming the wiki, I wouldn't be able to come to the conclusion that no independents is likely. I would actually assume them. For that:
Vote: Lataro

Why would an independent care about convincing us that there are no independents? If they act scummy they will get lynched if they act townie they won't. Weither we belive there are indis or not doesn't matter.

Chandani wrote:Though I guess Silknor could be right and the mods might not care about flavour knowledge.

The mods seem pretty deeply into the flavor knowledge considering my role PM and the opening post. I think they may have twisted things a little for balance but it seems like they are fitting the flavor as much as possible.

Chandani wrote:I find Lorenz's vote a bit... sudden,

That's just how Lorenz is, for him it's not scummy. I agree with his philosophy of voting early to stimulate discussion actually.

Gopher of Pern wrote:Vote: Chandani

For linking with Lataro.

Now on the otherhand GoP is a very cautious player. This vote is way too sudden. It seems like you read Lorenz's comment and just went, "Hey I bet I could start a bandwagon on Chandani".

Vote GoP

by **webby** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:37 am UTC

The votes so far have been a little odd. Personally I think GoP is more cautious as scum than town, so I'm not sure I buy the theory about GoP and Chandani.

I also don't agree with GoP's vote on Chandani - I think it's completely within her playstyle as town to provide explanations/defence for other players.

Lorenz's vote on Lataro seems to be an early vote to get things started - I don't think it's inherently scummy to suggest that you don't think there are any independents - not sure what benefit scum would get from doing this (and better to lynch scum than independent anyway, assuming the independent isn't a serial killer, which I don't think fits with the flavour).

So I need to find someone who I actually think should be voted for.

I'll obviously be interested to hear what Lataro thinks of it - of the players that have been voted for/discussed, he's the most inactive one.

I don't have anyone to vote for yet, but if I had to choose I'd go for mpolo until I get more content from him, just because I know he's the type of player who's quieter as scum than town (GoP is the same I think) and most of his posts have been the help for Angua rather than any actual content. These posts aren't scummy, but I would say the absence of other content is a slight tell from him.

Angua seems normal, but not enough to tell yet. Silknor and AngrySquirrel there's not enough to tell. Boomfrog I'll reserve judgment on for the moment, because I'm not quite sure about his vote for GoP.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:09 pm UTC

Independants can be quite damaging to town (depending on role ofc), so in the absence of obvious scum to lynch they make good lynch targets. This is why indies don't wish to be identified. And if people believe there are no indies in the game then people won't be quite as wary about indie pings. It also makes it easier for indies to pass as town if we're not considering the possibility of there being indies.

Scum wants to entertain the idea of independants cause it provides them more cover to hide behind.

Town wants to keep all options available, but not overfocus on indies unless there's reasonable reason to believe they are SK's.

Chi-Fu as a lyncher makes sense from a flavour perspective and I consider it likely that the scum team consists of Shan Yu and henchies.

by **mpolo** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:35 pm UTC

I'm mostly being quiet from lack of things to latch onto here. Let's look at the votes that are out on the table.

Lorenz's vote for Lataro seems to be for an exceptionally flimsy reason. I assume that he's trying to stimulate discussion more than anything else. While I wouldn't give indies a free ride, they're not top priority. It is a good idea not to forget about the possibility, but they shouldn't be our No. 1 priority.

Gopher of Pern votes for Chandani because of defense of Lataro. I would say that until we know Lataro's alignment, we shouldn't assume anything about his relationship to Chandani. There could certainly be something to the "defense of a chum" idea here, but it could also be "keep town from making mistakes".

BoomFrog votes for Gopher ofPern for playing differenly than usual.

AngrySquirrel has been clear and level-headed, but is always that way, so I'm not reading much of alignment from her.

I have a positive feeling about Lorenz. Silknor is silky smooth. No particular read. Lataro is Lataro, so it will take a while for me to form an opinion. But I have some hope for having correctly divined his alignment in Smalltown.

Angua hasn't given us much more than a couple of questions.

by **Lorenz** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:39 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:
Lorenz wrote:I didn't want to be the first to say it
Why didn't you want to be the first to say it? I'm not following the logic here.

Lorenz wrote:By quickly skimming the wiki, I wouldn't be able to come to the conclusion that no independents is likely. I would actually assume them. For that:
Vote: Lataro
Why would an independent care about convincing us that there are no independents? If they act scummy they will get lynched if they act townie they won't. Weither we belive there are indis or not doesn't matter.

1.- Knowing Lataro, his first post could be a "trick", trying to get scum to agree with him and then be all "Wait, you agree with me? You must be scum". I didn't want to be the first to say it and see how many people agreed with him quickly. After BF's first post, I found it unlikely for people to agree to it, so I decided to attack him. I still want to hear his response.

2.- AngrySquirrel sums it up quite well.

Ninja-d
Yes mpolo, I agree they shouldn't be our top priority, but they are still important. Day one I find it almost impossible to make a correct decision, and my reads on people are quite low.

by **Chandani** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:08 pm UTC

I made that judgment on Lataro from the first statement (Kingdom Hearts) and totally did not see the second (having read the wiki).
With that in mind, it's interesting that Chi-Fu is at the bottom, under the cricket (I think), and that he says no independents. I saw Chi-Fu, like most people, as an independent after reading the wiki.
So this could be normal Lataro or Lataro making a mistake. I dunno. I just didn't like it when I thought Lataro was being attacked for no reason.

by **Chandani** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:30 pm UTC

EBWOP: Hmmm. If Lataro read wikipedia, it doesn't mention Chi-Fu at all in the summary. However, the Disney wiki makes it pretty clear about his role.
So there's that. Dunno what other people read.

by **Angua** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:22 pm UTC

Right, sorry for being so quiet - had a cold this weekend and was trying to write an essay. I read through the wikipedia plot summary before, and now after reading through the character list I can see what you mean by independents - I guess I am still working on how to think laterally like a mod might.

Right, from what little I know of Lorenz - they seem to like voting for suspicious behaviour, so I think a direct vote on Lataro is not very odd. I can see how Lataro putting Chi Fu at the bottom of the list and saying that there are unlikely to be any indies comes off as suspicious - however I want to wait until we hear from Lataro before making a judgement. However, considering the deadline is tomorrow evening (and I find most people seem to post during my night - however today there's been a lot of activity, so maybe not) so I'll try and put my vote in early so that we have time to discuss things.

I can see Chandani trying to be helpful - I often try and see why someone would make a mistake rather than be scum (probably too much for my own good) so it's hard to tell. I do think GoP lept to the conclusion of them being buddies with lataro fairly quickly, so at the moment they are the scummiest in my mind (especially as Angry Squirrel had already said in the post before Lorenz that they thought the 'mistake' by Lataro could be down to lack of flavour knowledge as well as them being scum).

I'm having a hard time reading the rest of the other players - it's hard to see who's going with what as it's mainly a discussion over the latest votes, with most people saying similar things. As such, I'm going to:
vote: Gopher of Pern
for prematurely jumping on Chandani, even though Chandani was not the first to suggest that Lataro's 'mistake' could be incorrect flavour knowledge.

by **Lataro** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:32 pm UTC

Fun stuff.

So, am I indie for thinking that there were no indies in this game, or am I scum because chand linked to me and therefore we must be scum buddies? It can't be both here people. :lol:

Flavor to me seems to suggest Huns vs Chinese here. It seems rather cut and dry to me, so, not gonna back out of my statement that I think indies are unlikely. All those going on about the mods abusing flavor to create indies seem like they are stretching things, and makes me wanna doubt them, since as I said, my role seems very flavor driven from my understanding, which leads me to wonder what role they have that they feel flavor has been stretched to justify, since as I said, the summery seemed very straightforward and the mod's from all examples I've seen seem to be sticking to said flavor.

So, happy fun vote time.

Clearly I can't vote Lorenz, as that'd just be OMGUS, so I must vote for GoP, for trying to suggest a situation where indies would be linked to by someone else, as I said, it can't go both ways people. In the interest of the bandwagoning him though, lets go a different route.

Vote: Silknor

For trying to make everyone think the mods are ignoring flavor in order to make roles align as they please, when all indications I know of contradict this, and beyond that, saying it could be the mechanic of the bastardry in this game, when everyone knows the only real bastardry in a game is when I play.

by **Gopher of Pern** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:37 pm UTC

Well, those votes having actually stirred up some useful discussion.

My vote was really only to stir up some discussion, as I know Chandani tends to defend other players. Doesn't mean that the defence still wasn't bad. Still, their reply is decent.

Unvote

Now Angua, I don't know what you're reading, but Chandani was the first to defend Lataro. AngrySquirrel mentions the possibility of insufficient flavour knowledge, but doesn't actually defend Lataro with it.

Sudden vote? This is a turbo. I'd prefer to have our discussion early, so theres no late bandwagons.

I'm going to have to disagree with mpolo re: AngrySquirrel. Their post seem to me just covering things already covered, which can be a good scum tactic of sneaking under the radar. There's no real substance to that post.

At this stage, I would like the lurker lynch of Lataro, unless they post. Or maybe Silknor, as they've passed under the radar as well.

by **Gopher of Pern** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:39 pm UTC

EBWOP:

Interesting that you think that I think you were indy. I said no such thing. Lorenz suggested your indieness, I just didn't like Chandani's defence.

But you're off the lurker list now

by **DaBigCheez** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:47 pm UTC

Votals:

Gopher of Pern: 2 (Angua, BoomFrog)
Lataro: 1 (Lorenz)
Silknor: 1 (Lataro)

6 votes to lynch. Deadline in ~22 hours.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:01 pm UTC

I am going to follow up on Lataro's vote on Silknor.

Vote: Silknor

There's a couple of reasons for this. Metawise Silknor a very good player who leaves next to no info about himself for later days, especially if you leave him alone and let him do as he please. He also don't let himself be pushed by a single vote.

Then for reasons relating to this game in particular, as far as I can see this:

Spoiler:

is his only post so far, and while accurate and probably something I would post as well at that point of the game, it does somewhat read a bit like creating a basis for a future claim that goes a bit beyond what we would expect from the game.

by **Silknor** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:44 pm UTC

@AngrySquirrel: Your main reason for voting for me is that I didn't give you any reason to suspect me, and your second reason is because I sound like you? I have to admit I appreciate the irony. Especially given the humor of Lataro's earlier post. A well-crafted followup indeed!

Moving on, an error I see being made in a couple of places is the idea that detailed flavor in areas that don't affect the game implies that the game design mirrors the background. As someone who has modded frequently in the past, I see little link between them. To be fair though, I have always started with a game design and then searched for a flavor to meld into it. Someone who starts with a background flavor and attempts to graft a balanced game on to it may produce different results. I haven't looked at any of the background flavor myself recently, but based on what people have posted it hardly seems reasonable to make any kind of categorical judgement that there cannot be or must be independents, only that there could be, if the mods so desired.

I do find Lorenz's vote for Lataro interesting. At first glance, the seeming reasoning is that, "scum would want us to think there are no independents" therefore Lataro is scum. This is of course, deeply unsatisfying, because as a matter of general principle, while scum would love to confuse the town about the setup in a closed game, the scum are unlikely to know if there are independents or not, and have independent cause to want the town to believe there are independents: it provides additional ambiguity. If you know there are independents (eg. an open setup), it becomes easier to push aside light suspicions, easier for the scum to hide and roleclaim when cornered. Indeed, from first-level reasoning, I don't see the logic behind "scum would want us to think there are no independents". It's possible then that Lorenz thinks Lataro is an independent, many types of which would benefit from the town thinking there are no independents (eg. we'd be less likely to look for jesters, lynchers, anti-town independents such as SKs/Cults, etc). After all, the reasoning in Lorenz's post isn't clear, I can't tell if he suspects Lataro of being scum or independent.

It's obvious though that the very fact that the scum would want the town to think there are independents is reason enough for the scum to try to appear to convince us of the opposite! So maybe that's what Lorenz meant, that Lataro is trying too hard to act like a scum wouldn't. But nothing in Lorenz's post indicates such reasoning. I couldn't find anything in his later posts that really sheds light on the matter either. I'd be interested in Lorenz's elaboration on these matters.

by **webby** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:34 am UTC

I'm not convinced by the Silknor lynch either.

He is maybe a little inactive, but I think the frequency and posting style are no different to how he normally acts/is acting in other games. I don't really understand the bandwagon forming on him. I think I quite like his defence as well - there's no real overreaction. I would, however, have liked a vote or at least details on who he thinks is suspicious. Overall, I'll say he's acting like normal and leave it at that for now.

Now for who to lynch - as usual I'm feeling like I really want to lynch Lataro - I don't know what to make of his post. Especially when he's usually opposed to lurker lynches and says that looking at who's been posting and how much is just creating false content, I don't like that he goes for a lurker lynch. (And I don't care if he tells me the vote was a joke, it already has another vote on top of it and could easily lead to a bandwagon).

AngrySquirrel's vote feels more scummy though - the justification was extremely dodgy and is her only real content so far in the game.

That leaves GoP. An early vote for Chandani based on her defence of Lataro then an unvote without a re-vote. Then suggests a lurker lynch. I don't like this post.

So to sum up:
Vote: AngrySquirrel

Lataro is the second most suspicious player and I would be willing to vote for him too.
GoP comes third and I will vote for him if it becomes a decision between him and anyone but those two players. (Assuming nothing scummy comes up.)

by **Lorenz** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:12 am UTC

Yeah, I don't understand the bandwagon forming on silknor either. His defense is also solid, and questions my vote.

To answer: I wouldn't be sure if Lataro is scum or independent. It just seems non-townie to suggest there's less people that we want to worry about. His defence is quite worrying also, as making flavor-wise assumptions is fine, but not being able to take them back when others have stated possibilities that contradict your assumptions, just seems like he is afraid to change his opinion and draw attention... which is very un-Lataro like. Actually, he is playing way to safe for the way he usually plays.

by **Lataro** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:26 am UTC

Gee Willikers Lorenz is linking to Silknor!

unvote
Vote: Lorenz

Oh, I challenge you to point out the word lurker ONCE in my post.

Vote is mainly for showing a complete lack of actually reading the post I made, linking to someone else which is to steal a phrase, "ohmygosh suspicious!" after the big hub blub around it already this game, and more than that, IMO looking at an ant hill, and trying to build a mountain out of it with your continual harping on what is a very valid point to make IMO. Your continual single track mind on this is screaming active lurking scummy with a side of laser beam lynch focus.

by **Lorenz** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:35 am UTC

Lataro wrote:Oh, I challenge you to point out the word lurker ONCE in my post.

When did I ever make an accusation of anything having to do with lurkers? I fail to see your point. And no, I didn't fail to read your post, I'm simply pointing out what I find suspicious. When I first voted you, I was sure I would be unvoting after you defended, but you failed to convince me.

by **webby** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:42 am UTC

I think the lurker part of it was addressed at me. To a certain extent I stand corrected, but I still don't like the reasoning, and just because you had another reason for voting doesn't mean you aren't hoping a bandwagon will form because they're being lurky. As I said though, I reckon AngrySquirrel's follow-up vote was more scummy.

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:39 am UTC

Gopher of Pern wrote:At this stage, I would like the lurker lynch of Lataro, unless they post. Or maybe Silknor, as they've passed under the radar as well.

If you voted just to stimulate discussion then why not place a new vote now? It seems like your trying to avoid attention and feel out other vote candidates to start a bandwagon on. My vote stays for now.

webby wrote:AngrySquirrel's vote feels more scummy though - the justification was extremely dodgy and is her only real content so far in the game.

I see AS's post as pushing for Silknor to post more so that we will have something to go on D2. As she said he is a stuborn player who will not be pushed by a single vote so she added a 2nd vote to motivate him. In RD PyP she made it clear that she is happy to lynch lurkers D1 to push everyone to post more, and she is bieng consistant here.

Now, if she doesn't post again before deadline, that is a very different story. But at the moment I think your vote has little grounds. If GoP turns up scum I will be very suspicious of you.

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