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by **Gopher of Pern** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:40 am UTC

Maybe because the discussion had been generated, my original votee didn't seem scummy, and I didn't have strong enough pings from other people yet to justify a vote?

Lataro is making me uneasy....well, more uneasy than usual. They claim Lorenz is not reading their posts, when it is obvious Lataro is not reading others. But then, I'm not sure on Lorenz either, as they claim Lataro is not playing the way he usually plays, when this is pretty much Lataro all over. I doubt this is a townie fight, so I'm gonna go with my gut and

Vote: Lataro

Mainly because Lorenz has tried to help town, and laser guided focus is generally a bit townier than being wishy washy.

As to my feelings on others:

Mpolo hasn't posted in awhile, and their last post was generally lacking content. They were simply listing what people have done, and being noncommital about everything. One to watch.

AS followed a substanceless post with a vote on Silknor, for meta reasons. I can't say that I've played with Silknor before, at least not often, so I can't say either way, but the vote does seem a bit off, for the reasons Silknor stated.

Webby is posting as is normal for them, but they do seem to be skipping over posts abit; at least they did so with mine.

Boomfrog seems alright so far, but if they continue with voting me I will begin to get suspicious. I don't get how I have been playing differently to normal, but it's always hard to see yourself through someone elses eyes.

Silknor has posted reasonably so far, but I will keep in mind what Lataro and AS have said about them.

Chandani defending my post well, but maybe lacking abit on content.

Angua needs to post more; their only decent post was a vote on me, but nothing is jumping out at me.

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:01 am UTC

Gopher of Pern wrote:Maybe because the discussion had been generated, my original votee didn't seem scummy, and I didn't have strong enough pings from other people yet to justify a vote?

And now you go for the easy vote on Lataro. I'm not seeing it. Maybe its because I've been on the receiving end of "belligerent Lataro" but this seems normal for him.

by **Aaeriele** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:19 am UTC

Votals:

Gopher of Pern: 2 (Angua, BoomFrog)
Lataro: 2 (Gopher of Pern, Lorenz)
AngrySquirrel: 1 (webby)
Lorenz: 1 (Lataro)
Silknor: 1 (AngrySquirrel)

6 votes to lynch. Deadline is in just under 11 hours.

by **mpolo** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:49 am UTC

I should be back before deadline to read this and post some content, and hopefully convince myself of someone to vote for. But right now, I don't have time.

by **Angua** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:47 am UTC

Again, I'm sorry for not posting guys - had a weird couple of days, but things should definitely be quietening down for me now, so I should be able to be much more active.

Anyway, I don't think AS was that suspicious to vote for Silknor - she is right in that he is stubborn and won't do things under threat unless he absolutely has to (and 1 vote is rarely a threat). He also doesn't seem to post that often, so I can see her reasoning for trying to provoke him into giving stuff that we can use. I'm not sure if this makes webby suspicious for not picking up on this, or them just not taking the meta-considerations into account.
FoS webby

I have no idea how to read Lataro. The only games I've played with him have only just started, but he just seems to be all over the place all the time. I'm not even sure if he's the type to back off and say he made a mistake, or just 'move on' to something different - which is what is seeming to be suggested by him getting annoyed at Lorenz for "harping on" about the same point.

GoP is still pinging me as something vaguely more definite than anyone else. I'm leaving my vote where it is. Please note - unless someone else goes up to three, GoP will be the one being lynched under the longest continuous voting rules - I want to be as transparent as possible there.

Boomfrog is also still sticking to his GoP vote which I think is a good sign for now.

Lorenz really is just sticking with the one thing against lataro, and doesn't seem to be forming many other opinions on other players. So, FoS Lorenz for not really being helpful with anything else at this point.

Chandani still seems to be flying under the radar - not much else has been posted other than the discussion over flavour. I'd like her to say a bit more.

Silknor is acting like Silknor (as I've already said).

mpolo has been slightly more active than me (it looks like we've both been busy) so it's also hard to get a reading there.

by **Lataro** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:58 am UTC

Sorry lorenz, it was late, and I mistook webby's avatar for yours, that was completely my mistake.

Right. At this point, survival vote time!

unvote
vote: GoP

laser focus never helps town, and when have I ever been wishy washy in my posts here, in every post I've FoS'ed in the case of my first one before the game started, and voted in the rest.

by **AngrySquirrel** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:07 pm UTC

Voting patterns day 1:

Spoiler:

The weakest reasoning for a vote I've seen so far is GoP's vote for Lataro, I'll note that as a minor ping and had I nothing else to go for atm that's where my vote would be. However, as far as I can tell, mpolo has given us very little of substance so far in this game and is doing that thing again where I forget he's even in the game. That is a major ping on my scumdar.

Unvote: Silknor
Vote: mpolo

by **mpolo** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:54 pm UTC

First of all, an apology for not being around enough.

My reread since my last post:

Spoiler:

I agree that I have been inactive. I think I completely forgot to look at this a couple of times, because I thought I was up to date.

Conclusions about the people "in the crossfire":
AS: The vote on Silknor (which is not there any more) was more a prod than anything else, as far as I can see. Perhaps a little light on content, but I don't see the vote as scummy.

Lorenz: Tunnel vision with voting Lataro, but otherwise some good points (no need for a Silknor wagon).

Silknor: Seems to have been mostly under suspicion for lurkiness. This has abated somewhat and needs to be re-evaluated.

Gopher: The current leader. Started out pushing a lurker lynch, then went for Chandani for defence of Lataro. Some confusion here about what he is accusing Lataro of, exactly, other than acting unusually.

Lataro: He had a big wine-spilling incident that no one really prodded at. After the last game with him, I feel like I am facing "townie Lataro" at the moment, though the Silknor vote was a little weak, IMO.

So, I can cast a (relatively) meaningless vote for someone else, or go for Gopher of Pern, essentially ensuring the lynch.

I guess that's what I'm going to do. (I'm about to reinstall the school firewall and it may well be a while before I get back online.)

Vote: Gopher of Pern

by **Aaeriele** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:28 pm UTC

Votals:

Gopher of Pern: 4 (Angua, BoomFrog, Lataro, mpolo)
Lataro: 2 (Gopher of Pern, Lorenz)
AngrySquirrel: 1 (webby)
mpolo: 1 (AngrySquirrel)

6 votes to lynch. Deadline is in ~2.5 hours.

by **DaBigCheez** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:02 pm UTC

Day 1 Final Votals:

Gopher of Pern: 4 (Angua, BoomFrog, Lataro, mpolo)
Lataro: 2 (Gopher of Pern, Lorenz)
AngrySquirrel: 1 (webby)
mpolo: 1 (AngrySquirrel)

The soldiers gathered to discuss their strategy, casting wary, sidelong glances at one another. The glances soon turned to suspicious words, then to accusatory fingers pointing in all directions - yet as the sun drew closer and closer to the horizon, the fingers came to be pointed largely at one person.

A ring of four soldiers formed around Gopher of Pern as others squabbled and argued in the background. With the last vestiges of the day's light, his hands were bound. A swift stroke of the executioner's blade put an end to his life as the soldiers looked on in somber silence.

It being too dark to properly search the body or his tent, the soldiers retired to their tents and the nightly watch, resolving to wrap things up in the morning.

Gopher of Pern has been lynched. His role will be revealed in the morning.

It is now Night 1. Please send your actions in promptly. Night will end at 7pm GMT (noon PST) on Thursday, October 20th.

by **Aaeriele** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:37 pm UTC

Also, for the sake of the mods' sanity:

There are no Listener-type roles in this game. Any PM sent as part of this game will not wind up in the hands of unintended recipients.

by **DaBigCheez** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:00 pm UTC

A soldier stirred lazily in his bedroll. He yawned and turned over, grimacing irritably as the first rays of sunlight streamed through the open tent flap and over his eyelids.

Wait...sunlight?

Shit!

The soldier shot out of bed and hurriedly threw on his armor. He was due for the morning watch, and...who was he relieving? He quickly glanced at the watch rotation as he ran out of his tent, and his expression turned to dismay. The Captain was on watch last night?! Oh, he was going to catch it now...but if he hurried, maybe he could still make it on time...!

As it turned out, he needn’t have worried about being late.

After all, the late Captain wasn’t going anywhere.

AngrySquirrel is dead. She was Captain Li Shang (Cop), Chinese Army.

The soldier quickly turned and ran back to the camp - he had to deliver this news! His watch post could wait!

As he ran, he passed a small group which had been digging a grave for the one who was executed the previous day. They looked very tired and disgruntled; after all, they’d been digging for a long time.

They had to. It was a very large grave.

Gopher of Pern is dead. He was Chien-Po (One-Shot Roleblocker), Chinese Army.

As the soldiers assembled for morning roll call, the usual joking and horseplay was subdued by the news. The Captain, dead? Why was he even on watch last night? The Captain didn’t usually go on watch, that was a job for the recruits.

“I can’t believe he’s dead...”

The murmurs continued unabated for several minutes. Normally, by now Chi Fu would have come out and made some ineffectual attempt to restore order before the Captain came out to snap everyone to attention, but today there was no Captain...

...and for that matter, where was Chi Fu?

One brave, brave soldier decided to brave the bueauraucrat’s wrath and awaken him. But when he pushed aside the flap of Chi Fu’s palatial tent, he saw no sleeping or angry functionary.

Chi Fu’s body was lying artlessly sprawled amongst a stack of papers. The soldier picked one up: a watch rotation, half-finished, the brushmarks still wet. Looks like Chi Fu had been making some improvements to the watch order. He wouldn’t be changing much of anything any more, though.

Lataro is dead. He was Chi Fu (Bus Driver), Chinese Army.

Eventually, the soldiers called themselves to order - slowly, inefficiently, inelegantly. They needed a leader to pull them into shape - but with the Captain and the Emperor’s envoy dead, who would step up and take charge?

It is now Day Two. Deadline set for Sunday, October 23rd at 7:00pm GMT (noon PST) - 72 hours from now.

Seven players alive. Four votes to lynch.

by **Angua** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:23 pm UTC

2NKs! That's a lot. Lataro being Chifu did not surprise me, though it's interesting that he wasn't an indy. I wonder if lataro was killed by a vigilante - he is so confusing a player that it wouldn't be in scum's best interest to go for him. Three dead townies is not good though.

I'll have to reread the thread to see what I think about more people though. AS is a pretty astute player, so that's probably why she was targeted.

by **Lorenz** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:52 pm UTC

FoS: Chandani, Silknor: for not voting.

Oh, what a terrible night. 2 kills @ power town. One presumably from scum, the other one... My first guess would be an indy SK and my second guess would be town of some sort (vig or PGO), in which case they shouldn't claim, but they should be much more careful with their power use.

It makes more sense now for Lataro to have been so sure about no independents, as the most likely one (Chi-Fu) was him. Still, I don't think this makes it less likely for independents to be out there.

I can't pick up anything obvious from the voting patterns right now, but I'll pick up breadcrumbs later tonight. It seems like we could be in a 4 townies left situation, in which we could be in some serious trouble.

It is also quite interesting how the GoP bandwagon formed. Seems like BF and Angua were protecting Chandani. Lataro later self-preserved voted, and mpolo's vote is neutral imo (any other vote would have done nothing, except a Lataro vote, who was also town). Out of Angua and BF, BF pings me most, as they seemed to suggest a silly bandwagon could form on Chandani, and anyone voting her would get his wrath. This is as first impression, and will refine my thoughts on this later. For now:
Slight FoS: BF, Angua, and by extension Chandani. (If either one of BF or Angua is scum, I'd give high chances for Chandani to be scum also.)

Also, I have no private information about anything that happened during night.

by **BoomFrog** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:11 pm UTC

BF pings me most, as they seemed to suggest a silly bandwagon could form on Chandani, and anyone voting her would get his wrath. This is as first impression, and will refine my thoughts on this later.

Hmm? What's a "silly bandwagon"? I still think GoP was playing oddly compared to his usual consecutive style. I guess I'll wait for your refined thoughts.

It's interesting that Chi-fu was a busdriver through altering the watch schedule and the captain "wasn't supposed to be on watch." I think the Mods are telling us that Lataro bus drove AS and that kill was ment for someone else.

FoS Webby for his poorly justified vote on AS yesterday. I'll have to do a reread to see if I think it actually deserves a vote. Obviously everyone should be very cautious about voting as 3 scum could speedlynch a townie and then its game over unless the vig and doc both nail it.

by **Chandani** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:50 am UTC

Er... I thought the deadline was 7 pm PST, not 12 pm PST. Sorry about that. :oops:

I'm going to go through vote breakdown and see if there are any patterns.

Lorenz votes for Lataro for saying there are no independents
GoP votes for Chandani because of defending (he says linking) with Lataro
BoomFrog votes for GoP because does not match player style
Angua votes GoP for jumping on Chandani for something said by other players
Lataro votes Silknor for making people think that mods are ignoring flavour and thinking that this is what the bastardy is based on
GoP unvotes on Chandani since her reply was decent
AngrySquirell votes on Silknor because he's a good player, isn't pushed by a single vote, and was lurking
webby votes AngrySquirell since post justifying vote seems scummy
Lataro unvotes and votes for Lorenz for a variety of reasons

Vote is mainly for showing a complete lack of actually reading the post I made, linking to someone else which is to steal a phrase, "ohmygosh suspicious!" after the big hub blub around it already this game, and more than that, IMO looking at an ant hill, and trying to build a mountain out of it with your continual harping on what is a very valid point to make IMO. Your continual single track mind on this is screaming active lurking scummy with a side of laser beam lynch focus.

GoP votes for Lataro for being a hypocrite and attacking Lorenz who seems townie
Lataro votes for GoP in order to survive.
AngrySquirell unvotes and votes for mpolo for being a lurker (and here is when I realize she posted what I just did. Wonderful)
mpolo votes for GoP in order to ensure the lynch

So... I'm going to have to agree that BoomFrog's vote at least made sense. Angua's vote is weaker, so I can see Lorenz's reasoning on that.
I am also going to check that I understand how a bus-driver works... the person picks two people, and the actions of one person are transfered to another. I'm guessing Lataro used his ability to protect who he thought was town and send it to people he didn't think were townie... I guess. So Lataro didn't like AngrySquirell... and that's not much use since she was our cop.

Echoing the note of caution about voting... if the vig and lynch are wrong, scum would be able to win it in the end. So maybe vig should hold back their kill (if it was a vig... can there be a serial killer with the flavour?) unless it's really, really obvious.

And I won't be able to post much tomorrow. Most likely. So heads up.

by **mpolo** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:06 am UTC

I think that BoomFrog may well be reading correctly that AS was swapped by the bus driver (Lataro), so that makes it harder to judge the person who killed AS. It could be that someone suspicious was being killed by a vigilante, or that a SK was attacking, or that the Huns are behind that kill. We would only really know that the kill didn't target AS in its originally submitted form.

At least, I don't see any real indication that lets us tell which kill was which.

All three townie deaths had a power, which either indicates that we are really unlucky, or that there are a lot of powers around. Which may mean that there is more information to be had today. Obviously, that information should only be revealed if it is really going to lead us to scum, or if the person under consideration is particularly under fire and needs to get it out before they are lynched.

by **Lorenz** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:51 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:Hmm? What's a "silly bandwagon"? I still think GoP was playing oddly compared to his usual consecutive style. I guess I'll wait for your refined thoughts.

I'm just having trouble understanding the votes on GoP. I mean, I don't really see how he was playing odd, and you voted him based on him "wanting to start a bandwagon"

Now on the otherhand GoP is a very cautious player. This vote is way too sudden. It seems like you read Lorenz's comment and just went, "Hey I bet I could start a bandwagon on Chandani".

I just find it odd that you would go to call votes on Chandani scummy. They both had a single post at the time, I don't see how you could have jumped so easily from Chandani is not scummy, and GoP is.

I also find this interesting

Chandani wrote:Anyway, if the above suppositions are true, I do think that with the setting in the army, there could be independents. For some reason, I want to say Mushu could be an independent since he's supposed to be Mulan's guardian and thus his goal would be to protect her, though I'm not sure how that would translate into mafia roles. If not this, I wouldn't be surprised if Mulan/Mushu/other characters (?) are in a mason group of some sort, or something else related to Mulan's secret, since that is a major point to the story. At the very least, I'm assuming that Mulan wouldn't be allowed to role-claim at all, if we were allowed to role-claim in the first place. If we weren't, I would think there would be some restriction on her.

She seems to be softclaiming as a possible town-sided independents. This is strange, and as scum if she's copped and it comes as a variation of "not town" (not chinese army or something), it would be something she could claim somewhat easily. I find it especially strange the she's singling out Mushu. (I could see her claiming independent mushu with towns best interest, but I think mushu would be one of the most likely players to be town).

As for the bus-driver hypothesis, I do see it very possible considering the flavor. I'm not sure if I should give BF townie points for this or scummy points for noticing it so quickly. (It's just a me thing I guess... I don't usually notice any info from the flavor unless I know what is going on)

As this is a turbo, and to get things started, I'll put my vote where my biggest suspicions are.

Vote: Chandani

by **webby** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:10 am UTC

I just realised I'm now in 5 games.

This one first because it's a turbo:

I think given the amount of powers that seem to be around for town, it must be 4-3 or 3-3-1 now (although I guess it's vaguely possible scum have two nightkills to make up for all those powers, I don't think that would justify only 2 scum). This needs to be treated as LYLO and I don't like the early votes (although one shouldn't be too bad because scum would have to be very coordinated to get all three online and voting at the same time).

If I had to guess right now, I'd say that the most likely scumteam is mpolo, Boomfrog, Chandani/Angua.

mpolo is acting like he often does at scum - seeking to fly under the radar (although I accept that could either be a scumtell or a busytell from him. He also made sure that GoP would be lynched, although that's not really a big deal given both the main lynch candidates were town.

Boomfrog is going to sound like OMGUS, but I don't see why he's focussing so much on my vote for AngrySquirrel when there were much less justified votes around (eg Angua's on GoP).

Chandani is just a guess, but Boomfrog's vote on GoP, which I don't think was at all warranted, could have been looking to take the focus away from Chandani - I get the feeling he would have worried about her reaction to being voted for and sought to draw attention away from her. My other guess is Angua because of her willingness to jump on Boomfrog's GoP bandwagon and Boomfrog's unwillingness to mention it/pick up on it.

Thoughts?

by **Lorenz** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:36 am UTC

Quick vote? This is a turbo, and we're almost halfway through the day with very little activity. I'd much rather do things with time, and be able to make something about it than do everything last second with scum being able to quick-lynch without getting any attention. I also check the fora very often, and I'm sure I could avoid a quick-lynch if one were to start building. (I guess if scum has day-chat I wouldn't be able to... but I wouldn't think that to be the case)

by **BoomFrog** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:29 am UTC

Well I was about to chastise Lorenz but he's right the deadline is quite close. I am pretty busy today so I will post more tomorrow.

@chandani, a busdriver switches two people for targeting. So Lataro may have been trying to protect AS.

@webby, your vote for AS had no valid justification. Rereading Angu's vote post I do agree she basically just repeated my reasons for voting. However...

Considering all three lynch candidates were town I think scum probably just sat back and let's us lynch eachother. I think mpolo, Chandani and Silknor probably contains a large percentage of scum. I'll wait to place my vote until I do a reread though.

by **Angua** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:26 am UTC

Sorry about being so inactive - it was a busy day, but with such short days it's easy to forget how quickly that goes by.

Anyway, looking back at who voted for GoP - we have (in order) boomfrog, angua, lataro and mpolo. We know that lataro was town, so that leaves me with thinking that either boomfrog or mpolo are scum. Lorenz's laser focus on Lataro D1 was also extremely suspicious - especially as lataro turned out to be town, as not focusing on any of the other players at all didn't really help town much.

I'm sorry if you think my vote on GoP was the weakest one of D1 - I thought it was odd behaviour and wanted to stick with it.

Webby's list of scum is interesting - I'm not sure if I agree with his reasoning, but, it's hard to tell.

anyway, vote: silknor - maybe it will remind him to post more in this game.

by **webby** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:07 am UTC

Just a quick post - I don't agree that Lorenz's focus on Lataro is suspicious - Lorenz reacting the way he did seems perfectly normal for him.

by **Silknor** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:23 pm UTC

I find most of my suspicions to be on Lorenz. On day 1 he votes quickly for a reason I find flawed, as I've already explained. Justifying his vote as saying he never intended to keep it there troubles me even more, especially combined with this philosophy of vote early vote often he propounds. The total effect is clear, by devaluing votes and changing them often, it becomes far easier for bandwagons to form.

I've never played with him, so I don't know if this does fit his playstyle as town. But it doesn't change that I find him more suspicious than the baseline.

by **DaBigCheez** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:13 pm UTC

Votals:

Chandani: 1 (Lorenz)

4 votes to lynch. Deadline in ~24 hours.

by **mpolo** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:38 pm UTC

Wow. This turbo is really going like a Turbo (at least as far as time running out before I can do anything).

My first thought was that Lorenz had moved very quickly on moving to a vote, but with the rate that the day is going by, I really can't fault that.

Experience tells me that Silknor very often has good hunches, but since he's putting a caveat on his meta here, we have to be careful. Lorenz is generally a very good townie player (I don't recall what he looks like as scum). For what it's worth, there is at least a reasonable argument about Chandani. I'm not sure if this is town voting town or if one of them is scum. In retrospect (knowing that Lataro was town), Lorenz comes off looking a little worse, but since town has no idea who the other town are, that could be innocent as well.

2. Angua - Has been relatively quiet
3. BoomFrog - certain amount of linkage with Chandani, though not overly severe
4. Chandani - some "soft-claim" type posts (pro-town indie), but may be just speculation
7. Lorenz - battle with Lataro has him looking a little dirty in retrospect.
8. mpolo
9. Silknor - Has been relatively quiet, but no real tells
10. webby - Has been relatively quiet (D2)

Here, it's kind of hard to do a ranking, because I simply don't have any really strong feelings.

Absolutely sure of towniness
NO ONE

Leans townie
Silknor

Pretty neutral
webby
Angua

Leans scummy
Chandani
BoomFrog
Lorenz

Absolutely scummy
NO ONE

I'm going to be busy in the morning, but should get on in the afternoon. I am tempted to vote for Lorenz after that readthrough, but I want to wait on my vote. And yet I don't really want to wait, because anything could happen to keep me offline tomorrow (Internet has been kind of spotty, and on Sunday, I'm not going to be able to get tech support. The good news is that I will hopefully be able to fix everything on Monday.)

Vote: Lorenz

I will hopefully be able to review this with enough time to change my vote if necessary.

by **Lorenz** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:53 pm UTC

@Silknor:
It's not that I never intended to keep it there. My vote went to the most suspicious player IMO and I was pretty sure that lataro wouldn't stick to his no-independents thought, so I was quite positive that my vote would move. I will not apologize for having a vote there. Yes, I realize my "laser focus" looks bad, but I didn't really have anything else to go with. Also, voting early in no way devalues the votes, it simply gives us more time to get information and to have content early.

@mpolo:
This is pure wine, but there would be no reason for me as scum to go so strong against a town player, especially when another town was getting lynched... and then to go and kill (assuming the Lataro kill was a mafia kill) him to let it be known he is town?

@mod: Angua voted silknor.

@Angua: So is your vote pretty much a lurker vote? Or is there another reason?

by **DaBigCheez** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:00 pm UTC

Lorenz wrote:@mod: Angua voted silknor.

Votes must be placed in the proper format to be added to the official votals. Please remember to place all votes in

bold, on a newline.

by **Angua** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:34 pm UTC

Sorry

vote: Silknor

Right, Silknor posted a tiny bit, but my vote was mainly a lurker vote. I think lorenz and webby seem to be working together, however, I am disappointed with the lack of information that he seems to be giving us at the moment. I know that is how Silknor plays, but it's frankly pretty annoying, and I sort of feel that his only post was him echoing me. I'm keeping my vote there for now.

by **mpolo** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:02 pm UTC

Hmmm... There is not a lot of time left, and not a lot of votes falling. According to the rules, at this point, Chandani is leading the lynch. Early voting may be allowing Lorenz to decide the whole lynch in a certain sense, unless someone else votes, of course. I am uncertain enough that I am not going to change. Both Lorenz and Chandani are on my suspicious lists, and I can't really do anything to change the votals (except for voting Silknor, but as I am more sure of Silknor being townie than Chandani/Lorenz, I can't really do that). I may still get in again before deadline, in case anything has changed.

by **BoomFrog** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:10 pm UTC

I didn't get to do that full readthrough that I wanted to do. This turbo deadline is really at a bad time, 72 hours and most of it is during the weekend. I am about to go to sleep and I belive the deadline will hit while I'm sleeping so I'm going to put my thoughts and then make a vote.

Lorenz is the only person so that I actually think is town.

Angua was 2nd on the GoP lynch and basically just repeated my reasons. Now she is voting for silknor as a "lurker vote" but the fact that it's less then 12 hours from the deadline means it's not a very good time for a lurker vote. If she had said her vote was because he seemed scummy I wouldn't be suspicious. Scummy

Webby as said before had a poorly justified vote on AS. This makes sense for scum-webby to do since the top two candidites were already scum. Scummy

Chandani hasn't really contributed to any scum hunting. Her rolespec was all over the place and even if I belive her excuss for not voting placing your first vote near the end of the day is not a good sign. Scummy

Mpolo has been lurking hard as well. I don't know where he got "leans townie" for silknor. He has very few posts and voted quite late. Scummy

I don't know Silknor's meta very well but last game he lurked hard until it was crunch time D2 and then came out with some awesome townie posts. This game is is just lurking all the way through. His one post D2 about Lorenz is very disappointing. Lorenz's normal town play does look scummy then an average player and silknor seems to aknowledge this possibility. However the lack of any other content or a 2nd scum target means he is essentially lurking still. His lack of a vote D1 has no excuse. Scummy.

So, I've got five scummys and there are presumably only three scum. However, Silknor is the only one who I know I won't have a better read on D3.

Vote Silknor

by **Aaeriele** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:20 pm UTC

Votals:

Silknor: 2 (Angua, BoomFrog)
Chandani: 1 (Lorenz)
Lorenz: 1 (mpolo)

4 votes to lynch. Deadline in just under 4 hours.

by **Chandani** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:46 pm UTC

What happens in case of a tie?
Content post coming up. Want this in before the mods leave.

by **DaBigCheez** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:48 pm UTC

Chandani wrote:What happens in case of a tie?

2. In the event of a tied vote, whichever player has remained at that number of votes or higher for the greatest unbroken period of time (continuous with the deadline) shall be lynched. (Put simply, "whoever got there first, without then getting unvoted below the tie level.")

by **Lorenz** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:18 pm UTC

People need to get in here and vote! I was hoping Chandani's vote came in sooner, but I'm going to have to do something drastic else we're going to lose. Sorry Silknor if you think it's a bad idea, but there's not much time left and it seems like a town lynch is game over.

Anyhow, I know for a fact that Silknor is town. I can send daytime messages to him (but he can't to me). I am Mushu, and I don't want to reveal his role, but I will if nothing else changes the votes.

by **Chandani** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:34 pm UTC

*facepalm*

Anyway... back to content.
So the stuff against me is rolespec and not scumhunting. And inactivity.
Apparently I'm softclaiming something too.
I don't think there's really much I can say for the first thing as a defense... it was really random rolespec. I thought Mushu could have two win conditions or something like that, since he is trying to protect Mulan (that's what he is assigned to do, anyway), which would be considered towny-independent. I'm pretty sure he would want the Chinese Army to win, but I think if Mulan dies, he wouldn't be able to win, because of his role in the movie.
Scumhunting...

@chandani, a busdriver switches two people for targeting. So Lataro may have been trying to protect AS.

doesn't make much sense, unless Lataro thought whoever he switched AS with was (thought-to be) scum, and wasn't going to be killed... I would think it's more likely that Lataro thought AS was scummy.

ninja'd: Whoa.
Um.
Well.
I find it a bit weird that Lorenz claimed for Silknor, but that could be explained by Silknor not being on, and Lorenz being proactive. It just depends on how much I think Lorenz is town... and since I can't think of anything scummy that Lorenz has done, I'll accept this at face value for now, unless counterclaims come up.
It also explains why Lorenz didn't like my rolespec.

I was leaning towards Angua since she placed a lurker vote on Silknor and kept it there because he still is lurking, which doesn't seem right to me at all. Everyone else hasn't done anything too weird (other than BF, but that was speculation, so it's not as bad as keeping a lurker lynch vote on) Combined with the fact that she hasn't provided much evidence to explain her thoughts, but has just stated them, I think I'll vote for Angua, since... there is no tie I can make larger, I can't vote for Lorenz and myself to cause a tie which can become bigger.

Vote: Angua

by **Lorenz** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:37 pm UTC

Unvote
Vote: Angua

by **DaBigCheez** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:08 pm UTC

Votals:

Angua: 2 (Chandani, Lorenz)
Silknor: 2 (Angua, BoomFrog)
Lorenz: 1 (mpolo)

4 votes to lynch. Deadline in ~2 hours.

by **Angua** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:25 pm UTC

I still thought that he was scummy. I don't know if I want to trust Lorenz, but I know that I am town, so you guys voting for me is just as much a mistake as you losing silknor, if not more. Though, I guess at the moment if Silknor turns up town then I'll look even worse, and lorenz could be trusting that someone silknor will be lynched and won't be able to corroborate the day chat theory. So, to save myself, I'll stick with Silknor, though I really want to change my vote to someone not Silknor or Lorenz (as then we could give Silknor time to corroborate Lorenz). If 2 other people go for someone else (webby or mpolo I guess would be my other choices) then I'll switch my vote, as I'll be here this evening. don't forget about the half an hour extension rules to stop vote sniping.

by **mpolo** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:31 pm UTC

Based on the claim, which seems credible:

Unvote: Lorenz

Time is essentially up at the moment, so to protect Silknor, the only possible action is

Vote: Angua

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