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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby mpolo » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:04 am UTC

No, I've mostly responded to the oracle today. Just remember that my vote, when placed, is final, which means that it is rather important that I be cautious.

As for my vote at the end of the day, obviously there was some "save myself" involved in the thing. However, I did think that Lataro was acting unusually. Which goes to show that I still can't read Lataro with any certainty.

As to Misnomer, his "demonstration" about the questions and his votes helped at least some. I still have this feeling that there's something he's not telling us. That is, his "scumminess quotient" has been reduced, but is still on the scummy side. I don't have time before class to do a real analysis of the rest of the people here. I will get to that either during the morning break or more likely, early in the afternoon.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby roband » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:55 am UTC

DBC bugs me. Something about the way I read his posts. Not sure why, but I have nothing better to say, so I'm putting it out there.

Misnomer came back fairly well to respond to AS's vote.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby ForAllOfThis » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:28 pm UTC

I'm still not convinced by Misnomer being town after yesterday. Asking questions is fine if the responses are being analysed from a meta-perspective. I know (and I know Misnomer knows) that Lataro was never going to answer those questions. So two things cross my mind, the first being why did you ask them and the second being why were you surprised when Lataro didn't answer them? Personally I would have been much more worried had Lataro been co-operative and/or answered them without a fight.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby Misnomer » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:51 pm UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:I'm still not convinced by Misnomer being town after yesterday. Asking questions is fine if the responses are being analysed from a meta-perspective. I know (and I know Misnomer knows) that Lataro was never going to answer those questions. So two things cross my mind, the first being why did you ask them and the second being why were you surprised when Lataro didn't answer them? Personally I would have been much more worried had Lataro been co-operative and/or answered them without a fight.
From a meta-perspective, this is actually the first time I've questioned Lataro in this manner. I knew he was hostile to the questions asked in the previous Zoo game, but that was when we were in the middle of the "same three questions for everybody, repeated every game" fad, and in that situation he gave a reasonable justification for refusing to answer. Lataro being Lataro, I was of course expecting some hostility. However, I was expecting something a little saner than "Misnomer's using his questions to tunnel the lynch and they're also giving him kill powers as well!". I considered Lataro's response to be a bizarre overreaction, and his subsequent retreat into "screw you all I refuse to defend myself" did nothing to ease my fears of his scummyness.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby mpolo » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:37 pm UTC

Starting with the new day:

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Oracle: I am a relentless platypus

FAOT: mpolo is a monotreme. Waiting to place first vote. Why did roband claim. Flavor suggests two kills didn't go through. Scum may have daychat. Jailkeepered Mav, possibly controls a kill or was a target. Reasons for blocking Mav. There was an un-nk-able townie in Zoo 1. Votes AS as likely town. Misnomer might not be town: he should have known that Lataro wouldn't react well to questions.

Roband: fast night. Mafia chat? I am unkillable. Lataro is a strange beast. Oracle: dunno. There were at least some (DBC) against me. Has a question about jailkeeper. Inconsistency in Mav's answer. Doesn't trust FAOT's result. Pious = in the chapel all night. Vote on Misnomer is warranted. DBC bothers, don't know why.

AS: Doomed post. Suspects platypus. Based on votings: roband was 3rd, but seems townie; mpolo voted to save self; review others. Doomed. mpolo/roband are OK as to the vote on Lataro; webby and Misnomer are less clear cut. Had forgotten FAOT. Votes Misnomer: triumphalism, saying Lataro was a bad townie, tying to force all to accede to his questions.

Misnomer: wait for it. Annoyed at Lataro's towniness. Just answer my questions. Interested in the point of the oracle. Scum + vig or 2 sks seems likely. Scumchat would unlikely be blocked by RB. Not sad, annoyed. Lataro was scummy. Don't try to look evasive. This was first time questioning Lataro, and result was pretty scummy.

Mavketl: misquotes AngrySquirrel (just the name). Uses "post restriction". Admits being roleblocked. Roband's claim possibly winey. There's likely scum and SK (or vig). FAOT could get the answer to roband's question easily. Was not specifically notified of the roleblock. Restrict claimings. Not going deeper into what happened with the roleblock. Mpolo not excluded from scum. Lataro also had a 1-time un-NK-able, implying possible lots of scum.

DBC: Leery of claims. No need to claim powers yet. Careful with flavor interpretation.

webby doesn't like claims. Unkillable isn't very townie. Thinks there are 3 anti-town. mpolo-Misnomer or Mav-roband-AS. What does mpolo hold of Misnomer? Mpolo too cautious.


Misnomer: the demonstration helps considerably with the whole issue of the questions. At the same time, I still believe there is more going on with the questions than he wants to admit. And Lataro did give a reason why he didn't want to answer the questions; it almost moved me away from voting Lataro.

Mavketl knew she was blocked, but wasn't told this. Ergo, she has a power and tried to use it. I agree with NAOR that Mav was the logical choice for portection, since she seldom survives a night one. Points out that town has a lot of powers, likely town.

DBC: Even let content than me in the new day.

Webby: Suggests some possible scum teams, but then points out that I was leaning against Misnomer being townie.

AS has been pretty reasonable. I am not sure why she's forgotten FAOT is playing, since he has lots of posts. I think her vote is justified.

roband: There's a certain amount of "not wanting to put effort into the oracle" attitude, but otherwise he has seemed consistenty active and townie-ish. I have a certain suspicion that his un-NK-able was one-shot, just because Lataro also was 1-shot NK-able, and with a blocker added in, it would seem highly stacked in favor of town. This seems unlikely, coming from an experienced mod.

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roband
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AngrySquirrel
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DaBigCheez
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Misnomer
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby webby » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:40 am UTC

16 hours until deadline, can we have some more content?

I agree with AngrySquirrel's assessment of Misnomer, the reaction to Lataro turning out time is a little off. Town doesn't usually feel the need to justify themself like that. mpolo's last post is better content and I'm a little happier about him for the moment. The other person I feel a little off about is roband, partly because of the bulletproof claim, and partly because of the claim about power being connected to emotion rather than animal. My power is completely connected to animal, while my drawback(s) are related to the emotion.

Vote: Misnomer

As usual, I'm willing to be convinced otherwise and change this vote before deadline.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby roband » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:17 am UTC

webby wrote: My power is completely connected to animal, while my drawback(s) are related to the emotion..


My role has no drawbacks that I'm aware of. I've been completely honest.

I don't think Misnomer has done much wrong. Neither has anyone else.

Vote: DBC

One post today, something about it feels wrong. Gut instinct.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby ForAllOfThis » Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:18 pm UTC

@Webby: It's entirely possible that roband is connected mostly to his emotion, it happened with my role in Zoo Mafia 2 (and I was town). Saying that, roband now has put down a vote for gut instinct, without any logical reasoning, which doesn't sit particularaly well with me. On top of that, DBC seems more absent than active lurking so can't defend himself. Still, you point out that roband isn't looking particularly townie but bandwagon (and yes I mean bandwagon, no reasoning past what AS has provided) onto a Misnomer vote which in itself is scummy.

Misnomer has answered my questions fairly well, and I have to agree the 'Questions are giving him kill powers' was a ridiculous bit of speculation from Lataro. Necessary vote change (will be changed before deadline):

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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby roband » Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:29 pm UTC

Day 1 - I push on FAOT, DBC calls me scummy.
Day 2 - I vote for DBC, FAOT calls me scummy.

Yes, I'm looking at links again. Just putting my thoughts down on paper record, for now.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby Silknor » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:18 pm UTC

Votals:
Misnomer (2)-AngrySquirrel, Webby
DaBigCheez (1)- Roband
Mpolo (1)-FAOT

5 to lynch. 10 hours remain for D2.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby Misnomer » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:06 pm UTC

Gah, I haven't had the time to do the analyses I wanted to, which is pretty sucky. I'm really starting to get the impression that Roband is lying about aspects of his role (Lataro's role PM clearly linked his abilities with his animal and his state of mind, and mine does the same). I'm not sure why he's lying however...

At any rate, it's a moot point as I'm locked into a survival vote against either dbc or mpolo. Mpolo still worries me, and not just because this is the second day running he's after my blood. He's been inconsistent, and also fairly safe. Again though, there just isn't a smoking gun. What's more, DBC is now worrying me as well. His last minute vote on Roband at the end of yesterday was utterly pointless. This may be somewhat rich coming from a Lib Dem, but why cast a vote for something that clearly cannot win? It looks to me like a sneaky attempt to distance himself as much as possible from the lynch, to avoid any blame when it turned up wrong. Combine that with his single safe-ish post today, and that looks like a case of hiding under the radar to me.

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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby roband » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:35 pm UTC

Going offline soon. If DBC gets lynched and he's not scum, I apologise. I've been off the ball this entire game, I've not played mafia for too long it seems.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby ForAllOfThis » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:55 pm UTC

A little bit defensive aren't we Roband? DBC hasn't even been lynched and your already defending your vote as if it was a town result. I assure you the link is only coincidental, and that I find anyone in any game that votes for an inctive lurker as scummy. Mostly because that lurker won't be able to respond to accusations, although with your DBC vote, you've actually not given any reasoning for him to respond too.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby roband » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:59 pm UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:A little bit defensive aren't we Roband? DBC hasn't even been lynched and your already defending your vote as if it was a town result. I assure you the link is only coincidental, and that I find anyone in any game that votes for an inctive lurker as scummy. Mostly because that lurker won't be able to respond to accusations, although with your DBC vote, you've actually not given any reasoning for him to respond too.

Not defensive, but I've effectively given up. I can't see anything in anyone. I put a vote down, as avoiding voting is scummy in itself.

I have no real reasons for voting DBC. I don't especially like that Misnomer voted for him too, but he gave his reasons.

I'm getting nothing.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby roband » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:09 pm UTC

Fuck it.

You're jumping on me, when others think it's pretty clear I'm town.
You leaned on me when I mentioned DBC could be scummy.
You leaned on everyone who voted Lataro - when he is impossible to read, at any point in any game.

Unvote
Vote: FAOT


You got reasons. You're active. You can defend yourself.
But I won't be unvoting unless you convince me to in the next 20 minutes.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby Mavketl » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:14 pm UTC

I'm sorry, I don't have much time to make an elaborate analysis before the deadline. I wish I had. So I'll just look at DBC and Misnomer.

I still don't really get why people think Misnomer is being scummy. He posts content, asks questions, takes initiative... prototypical townie. The only concrete thing against him are his comments on the Lataro lynch. While I understand the value of 'meta' scum pings (like "lamenting the lynch of a townie = scummy"), it's kind of important to remember that they're not some sort of iron-clad rule. I share Misnomer's frustration about the Lataro lynch and have posted to that extent, but I'm not getting flak because I wasn't on the wagon. Well, I'm still blaming the townie lynch on Lataro being a bad townie - because in my opinion he really was.


I had overlooked DBC's strange vote at the end of D1. I have to agree with Misnomer that that's a weak vote: it was rather clear that the lynch was between two people and roband was not one of them, effectively rendering it a non-vote without being open to the immediate "you didn't vote!" criticism.
His only post today wasn't only 'safe', it also contained a "we're all doomed" vibe that I would expect from AS's post restriction but not from a regular townie.Things like:
I'm also leery of trusting interpretations of flavor for information, but I suppose it's probably safe in this game - while it isn't explicitly stated that the flavor can be trusted, it seems more explicit about it than I'd expect flavor designed to obfuscate the night's events to be.
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Vote: DBC


roband's latest post is stupid, regardless of his alignment. Sorry roband, but it really is. How do you not realize that saying that looks scummy as hell?

Ninja: okay, roband's second-to-latest post is stupid, regardless of his alignment. I'm not so sure about his latest post - it has a healthy(?) dose of OMGUS that could be clouding the judgment.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby roband » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:18 pm UTC

Mavketl wrote:roband's latest post is stupid, regardless of his alignment. Sorry roband, but it really is. How do you not realize that saying that looks scummy as hell?

Ninja: okay, roband's second-to-latest post is stupid, regardless of his alignment. I'm not so sure about his latest post - it has a healthy(?) dose of OMGUS that could be clouding the judgment.


Yep, probably. I've played this game badly, I have no fears about saying it out loud.

My most recent post is due to me getting annoyed. Something I try not to let happen. But it does.
If DBC is lynched isn't scum, and I'm not all that sure really, then with Misnomer following me (and now you, it seems) - I get accused of starting the bandwagon.

So I'm voting FAOT who has seemed suspicious to me since the start of the game. It's safer. For me. If he's lynched, I'd feel justified even if he was town.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby roband » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:29 pm UTC

Going offline..... NOW.

Good luck town. I hope the rest of you are better at finding the scum than me.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby Silknor » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:57 pm UTC

Votals:
Misnomer (2)-AngrySquirrel, Webby
DaBigCheez (2)- Misnomer, Mavketl
Mpolo (1)-FAOT
FAOT (1)-Roband

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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby DaBigCheez » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:57 pm UTC

Sorry I haven't been posting more, brain just hasn't been in gear for Mafia lately; will try not to sign up for more games until that changes, since it's really not fair to other players to have me disappear like so. Will try to post better, so that a replacement isn't necessary.

I voted my conscience D1, putting the vote on the person I thought looked scummiest. I mean, if you all want to jump on a bandwagon just because it's there, go right ahead, I just thought that the idea was to go for scum. Why would I want to get someone lynched who I didn't think was scum? Lataro was second on my list, so I was fine with letting that lynch go through, and a fifth vote on the bandwagon wouldn't accomplish anything - isn't it better to put my vote down on the voting record on who I thought was worst, rather than trying to redirect it to another "viable target" who I thought was townier?

So, I suppose I should get my thoughts out on the claim logic, if you're all so eager to hear it.

-roband has claimed un-NKable.
-FAOT has claimed jailkeeper on Mav.
-Mav has claimed roleblocked, but not explicitly informed of the roleblock.

So, I was reluctant to mention this before, since I wanted to keep people safe if scum was overlooking it, but this means Mav must have a role that would normally inform her in some way of whether it succeeded, right? I mean, how else would she have known she was roleblocked to comment on it, when she wasn't explicitly told she was roleblocked?

Now, what roles give feedback? Watcher/tracker/cop give feedback directly...and indirectly, so does the scumkill, by virtue of whether anyone died.

I think Mav's "Oh, so that's where that roleblock came from" was a misplay whether she's scum or town - either it's a cop(/investigative role)tell or it's a scumtell, and neither one is good.

So, naturally, I didn't want to say this earlier, in case of outing the cop - what I was trying to think through was, is there some concrete way of saying "if FAOT is telling the truth Mav must be scum", or somesuch? I still haven't found any. However, with the flavor implying three possible deaths D1/N1, I find it most likely that Mav was indeed roleblocked by FAOT, that one of the kills was prevented in that manner, and the other is either a kill that was directed at roband or a vigkill that was withheld. As such, I think Mav is circumstantially the most likely to be scum.

Vote: Mavketl

I was leery to try and deduce that from the flavor as a firm thing, since I generally try to avoid giving out information that's not publicly available in the flavor, but that's a personal choice, and Silknor seems fine with giving such info out.

It is also possible Mav is a SK and the scumkill was aimed at roband, but of course, it's also possible I'm wrong about the whole thing.

roband's made me feel a little better D2, though the recent posts are kind of odd - however, the circumstance of how the kill(s) worked out last night causes me to suspect Mav more strongly.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby mpolo » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:07 pm UTC

DaBigCheez's last post has a lot of merit. It bothers me that Mav would have had to walk into a pretty blatant mistake though, as she tends not to do that. That too could be circumstantial evidence of scumminess. There is, of course, an element of OMGUS there…

Mav's vote on DBC also had me looking very suspiciously at him. He does come back with some content, though.

Roband had a couple of bad posts, which shake my confidence in him a little, but I still am leaning toward the townie side on him.

This means that I have three reasonable targets for my vote at this point: Mav, Misnomer, or DBC. Voting Mav makes a tie far too likely, so I will wait on investigating DBCs suspicion. The additional post by reduced the force of Mav's argument, though didn't eliminate it, as this is also a last-minutey vote. [I note that DBC has shown no real signs of passive-aggressive behavior today.] And then there's Misnomer. I am less certain about him than I was, as the weirdness surrounding Lataro has died down as well.

Add this to the "rules clarification" that came to me unrequested last night, which says that a relentless platypus is compelled to vote every day, and I am starting to feel for roband's sense of having no idea whom to vote.

I'm going to

Vote: DaBigCheez

on the basis of

1) Little content for most of the game
2) Last-minute votes on two days
3) Disappearing restriction
4) Strangeness surrounding the few posts he did make (see Mavketl's analysis)

If he suddenly redeems himself, it's up to Misnomer and Mavketl to unvote, as I cannot do so.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby DaBigCheez » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:14 pm UTC

Alright, if you want to put an unremovable vote on someone and rely on your other main suspects to take a vote off in the future, that's fine, I guess. I mean, I don't want to tell you how to vote or anything, but it just seems odd to me you'd trust people you just said you don't trust. It's your vote, though, go ahead and vote how you want to.

And come on, who wouldn't follow their posting restriction, I mean, really? Some of them might not be things you have to do once a day, y'know, so it's not like everyone would *have* to show an obvious restriction, even if they hadn't posted much. Just a general observation, y'know, something useful to know for the future.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby webby » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:02 pm UTC

I wake up and find a bandwagon on my mason buddy. :(

Misnomer, Mav, can you unvote him please? Misnomer might be reluctant to if he's going to be lynched otherwise, so

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Vote: mpolo

He's been better, yes, but still scummier than FAOT, who would be the other option.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby Silknor » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:53 pm UTC

Votals:
Misnomer (1)-AngrySquirrel
DaBigCheez (3)- Misnomer, Mavketl, Mpolo
Mpolo (2)-FAOT, Webby
FAOT (1)-Roband
Mavketl (1)-DaBigCheez

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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby DaBigCheez » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:34 am UTC

Welp, I'm not sure why webby claimed that, but it is indeed true that we are mason-buddies.

Self-preservation vote ahoy; I'm not happy with an mpolo lynch, but it doesn't appear people agree with my reasoning on Mav, so I need to give myself (who I obviously know to be town) the best chance of survival. I would be happier with a Misnomer lynch if Mav's unassailable, but as mpolo can't change his vote and Misnomer/Mav obviously aren't going to vote themselves, it's really my only option unless people really start switching things around (or unless webby agrees and changes his own vote, which seems unlikely given his apparent read on Misnomer; kind of leery of a possible unvote by FAOT, and the fact that we're voting along with the person considered second-most-suspicious by most here...).

Unvote
Vote: mpolo


Here's hoping I'm just bad at reading people, and mpolo actually is scum.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby webby » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:44 am UTC

DaBigCheez wrote:Welp, I'm not sure why webby claimed that, but it is indeed true that we are mason-buddies.

Self-preservation vote ahoy; I'm not happy with an mpolo lynch, but it doesn't appear people agree with my reasoning on Mav, so I need to give myself (who I obviously know to be town) the best chance of survival. I would be happier with a Misnomer lynch if Mav's unassailable, but as mpolo can't change his vote and Misnomer/Mav obviously aren't going to vote themselves, it's really my only option unless people really start switching things around (or unless webby agrees and changes his own vote, which seems unlikely given his apparent read on Misnomer; kind of leery of a possible unvote by FAOT, and the fact that we're voting along with the person considered second-most-suspicious by most here...).

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Vote: mpolo


Here's hoping I'm just bad at reading people, and mpolo actually is scum.


I claimed it because otherwise it seemed like you were going to get lynched (you still might considering the votes are level) and I couldn't rely on you coming back before deadline.

Willing to change my vote, FAOT did say he was coming back before deadline? We have half an hour.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby webby » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:56 am UTC

I see you online:

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Vote: Misnomer

I agree that Misnomer is more supsicious, that's why my vote was on him before.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby DaBigCheez » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:01 am UTC

Forum ate my post :(

Trying this again:

Thank you, webby - this isn't the lynch I would prefer to go with, but I'm much happier with it than a mpolo lynch.

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Vote: Misnomer


FAOT, if you agree with my reasoning on Mav then a Mav vote might be kewl - honestly I'm more willing to take the 50% chance on Mav than to put a 4th vote on Misnomer for a 100% chance, but I certainly wouldn't argue.

For the record, I'm far from convinced of FAOT's towniness on its own merits; however, I find it highly unlikely that Mav and FAOT are both scum, and I'm more confident in my reasoning about Mav than I am on my read on FAOT. Neither of them really approaches certainty, but that's where I stand.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby ForAllOfThis » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:06 am UTC

Not sure if this is within deadline. I've had a busy day and despite thinking I would be back with plenty of time to spare I wasn't. Not happy about DBC's return but it will be discussed tomorrow. Right now I'd rather take a chance on Misnomer being scum than a mason-claim being wrong.

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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby RoadieRich » Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:17 am UTC

Votals:
Misnomer (4)-AngrySquirrel, Webby, DaBigCheez, FAOT
DaBigCheez (3)- Misnomer, Mavketl, Mpolo
FAOT (1)-Roband

Misnomer has been lynched. Flavour and title updates soon by Silknor.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby Silknor » Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:38 am UTC

"It wasn't supposed to go like this. I had a plan, and I was willing to wait as long as needed to put it into play. But these...these...these impatient fools interfered! Well, I'll be waiting. I can wait, forever, right? Right?"

Sadly the answer would be no, for patience is an overrated virtue in a corpse.


Misnomer has been lynched. It is now Night 2. Please remember to CC all mods on actions/communication. Night 2 will last no more than 28 hours.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby Silknor » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:03 am UTC

Granting a 12 hour extension on the night.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 2-Sad Penguin

Postby Silknor » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:10 pm UTC

The Grim Reaper scaled the great glacier invading the zoo. At the summit he knelt before the Evil Penguin and begged his forgiveness for the delay. He assured the Evil Penguin that he had struck tonight. This news contented the Evil Penguin, for the moment. But his thirst for blood would return soon. Right now though, it was nap time.

Contentment for the Evil Penguin though is not particularly good news for the town. They soon found a snake, curled around a staff, eyes closed. Beside him was a book filled with messages written in some kind of code. There was nothing nearby that indicated the key, only a pile of ashes, still warm.


Misnomer has been lynched. He was the Patient European Wildcat, Stealth Voter and Tracker, Town.

DaBigCheez has been killed. He was the Passive-Aggressive Python, Doctor, Town, Member of the "Scales of Justice" Mason Group.

It is now Day 3. 6 players remain, 4 to lynch.


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Misnomer: Patient European Wildcat. If you want them gone, they will be. If that doesn’t happen today, so what? You can wait. Each night you may choose if you want your vote to remain in force the next day. If you do so, then the next day an unattributed unchangeable vote will be placed on them for the next day. It will count as a standard vote and be listed in the votals, but will not have any impact on your regular vote: you will still be able to vote normally. Any ties will be broken in favor of this vote. You may target this ability on either the person your normal vote was on at the end of the day, or on the most recent person you targeted with this ability. As it can be difficult to distinguish you from a domestic cat, you have the ability to pretend to be the pet cat of another player. Each night you may target a player and follow them, learning who they visited that night. Town, you win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.


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DaBigCheez: Passive-Aggressive Python. You’re not a big fan of confrontation. It always seemed so much easier to slither away and strike from a distance later. And since you’ve always been a little stubborn, you’re not going to change and start confronting people now that the recent murder has brought suspicion and accusation into style. You may not quote any portion of a post accusing, or openly suspecting you, of being scum, nor may you directly respond to any accusations. You are also encouraged, but not required to avoid directly confronting/accusing anyone except when necessary. Luckily you know there is someone you can trust among all of this murder and mayhem. And you’ve devised a system of communication involving the skin you shed. You also have the power to protect others from fatal injuries; the Greeks were wise to see you as a healer. You may target one player beside yourself each night, they will be protected from standard Night Kills.

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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 3-Content Penguin

Postby mpolo » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:41 pm UTC

This seems to imply that our masons are reptiles/snakes (they communicate using shed skins).

I can only apologize that my vote on DBC forced the quick change to Misnomer. The time of deadline was such that that was the only moment to vote. If I had known he was online, I could have threatened DBC and then waited for him to reply. (Though I really wanted to go to bed at the point I voted, in reality, I was still up about a half hour later, so could have waited, I guess.)

The other voter for DBC was Mav, and I had a certain suspicion of her yesterday. Votes for Misnomer were two masons, AngrySquirrel and FAOT.

Interesting that yesterday the Penguin wanted three bodies and only got one, and was mad, while today he was happy to get two. Is there somebody with an even/odd kill pattern?
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 3-Content Penguin

Postby ForAllOfThis » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:57 pm UTC

More likely someone used a one-shot kill N1? Seems more likely than having an odd night kill.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 3-Content Penguin

Postby roband » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:10 pm UTC

6 players alive. DBC's flip clears webby.
If Mav is scum, so is FAOT (and probably, but not definitely vice versa).
AS and mpolo are the other alive players.

I still think the flavour hinted at two NKs, so I want to know who FAOT jailed.

I reckon we could be looking at a 3 person scum team, based on the powers given to town. Or, rather with 2 kills in action, 1 2-man scum team and 1 SK?

We have to lynch scum today, with the SK working with town. Basically. For town to have any chance to win. Awesome.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 3-Content Penguin

Postby ForAllOfThis » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:17 pm UTC

I was roleblocked last night :( . I know this because the person I targetted was still able to use their ability (but I will not be revealing anything more than that, because I don't want to give out any more information about the player).
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 3-Content Penguin

Postby roband » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:54 pm UTC

So you didn't jail anyone, because you were blocked.
Only one kill happened, because (I assume) the other was blocked.
However, unless there has been a mod error,

and I assume that's not the case?

I was ALSO roleblocked last night...

With 7 players active last night, 1 of whom is me (and I know I don't have a roleblock power) what are the odds of 3 out of the remaining 6 having roleblock powers?

I call bullshit.

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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 3-Content Penguin

Postby roband » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:59 pm UTC

AND we know DBC didn't have a roleblock power, because we saw his role details. 3 roleblockers out of 5 players. Laughable. So you're lying.
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Re: Zoo Mafia 3: Day 3-Content Penguin

Postby Silknor » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:06 am UTC

roband wrote:and I assume that's not the case?


Sorry, can you be a bit more specific in your question?

In case this answers your question though: Only 1 player died during night 2.
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