Lataro's Fun Game of Fun Game Over: Town (Finally) Wins!

[Adam H]

I feel pretty good about your partner clearing GOP as cultist (I expect he'd act to try to convert last night).

No. GoP is "cleared" as cult only from BF's social deduction*. From the detective/cop's results GoP is definitely not cleared as cult, though we CAN say that if either GoP or BF's partner is cult, they're both cult. The only way that GoP could be cult without BF's partner being cult would be if GoP didn't use his redirect, and mafia roleblocked GoP, but that's so unlikely it's not even worth considering.

*Which is flawed, when you consider that cult definitely wants to seem as unculty as possible to entice people to target them... the wine goes round and round.


It is pretty important that the kill target is known to all of us (assuming we're pretty sure no one knows who the vig is). Ideally, we would have agreed that we'll vote on the decision, and then back out of that at the last minute and go with BF's choice (so we have two voting records to look at, in effect). But looks like that's not going to happen. So BF, make sure you tell us who the vig should target in the next... 4 hours? I think?

If we don't hear from BF, who should be vigged? it doesn't look like BF has picked any possible scum other than FOAT, and I lack the courage to suggest a probable exorcist as our fallback.

[bantler]

I feel pretty good about your partner clearing GOP as cultist (I expect he'd act to try to convert last night).

No. GoP is "cleared" as cult only from BF's social deduction*. From the detective/cop's results GoP is definitely not cleared as cult, though we CAN say that if either GoP or BF's partner is cult, they're both cult. The only way that GoP could be cult without BF's partner being cult would be if GoP didn't use his redirect, and mafia roleblocked GoP, but that's so unlikely it's not even worth considering.

*Which is flawed, when you consider that cult definitely wants to seem as unculty as possible to entice people to target them... the wine goes round and round.

I don't follow. GOP was scanned for alignment OR activity. He came up town and inactive. Unless Cult is about to be mod-killed there is no reason for a lack of recruitment. Ergo GOP is not the Cultist, but could be a non-acing mafia.

It's too bad that a public target may also help the mafia. The Reflector will likely hold his action if we aim for town.
I still think it's worth the risk to fill you with lead.

[mpolo]

For lack of further information and to at least have a vote down:

Vote: Silknor

If the day hasn't ended by tomorrow morning, I'll revise this, but it looks unlikely.

[Adam H]

I don't follow. GOP was scanned for alignment OR activity. He came up town and inactive. Unless Cult is about to be mod-killed there is no reason for a lack of recruitment. Ergo GOP is not the Cultist, but could be a non-acing mafia.

Ah I see the problem. Only one cop scanned GoP. We don't know if it was the beat cop or the detective (BF knows), so all we know is that he came up as either town OR inactive. If GoP is cult, then BF's partner would have been culted by targetting the cultist, but he'd tell BF that GoP was inno. Basically, if GoP was cult, we'd have no indication from the cops, unless BF's partner starts acting suspicious.

At least I think that's right.

The deadline is in 1 hour 50 min, and Mr. Unfun's deadline is in 40 minutes. Keeping up with the deadline is SUPER FUN!

[Lataro]

Votals:

Adam H - 1 - (Silknor)
GoP - 3 (bantler, FAOT, greenlover)
mpolo - 1 -(weiyaoli)
Silknor - 4 - (BoomFrog, Adam H, webby, mpolo)

Silknor has been lynched. Day Two is over!

Flavor and fun stuff in the morning, deadline is whenever the deadbeat mod gets on and posts.

[Lataro]

Remember, if you do not intend to use an action, please say so, as it makes things easier for everyone.

[Lataro]

Fun was had, the lynch had appeared to have normalize, I guess if someone had just asked how it works, some fun spoiler would have told them, oh well!

Silknor was lynched. He was the Mafia Role Cop.

People who are not fun are promptly disposed of in this land of awesome fun! Let this be a lesson to all, have fun, or die!

Lorenz and Metabot were modkilled for failure to have fun. They were both medics.

As he sat around, neurotically repeating his hand washing ritual, he realized that this calendar night was an even night. He felt the urge to murder someone...

Adam H is dead, he was an Exorcist.

Unfortunately, his need for perfection overcame him, and in his failure, he turned the gun on himself...

Gopher of Pern is dead, he was the Compulsive Vig.

Hmm... those lynch mechanics were BORING! Lets change it up again! I know, we'll make it extra fun this time!

Day Three starts now, deadline is, oh, lets say... Saturday the 26th, ~5 PM EST.

Oh, and because the other two medics failed via modkill, I won't hold it against the last medic. They have earned an additional medkit.

Seven alive!

[webby]

Ok, so I now know FAOT is scum. Not going to vote yet in case the numbers turn out such that we need to lynch a certain type of scum today.

Best case scenario it's 4 town, 3 scum now, but the scum are divided in some way.

From the perspective of someone who doesn't know I'm town, assuming no town cultings:
We have Boomfrog, who's confirmed cop town.
One of FAOT or me is scum, the other is an exorcist. Whichever one of us is the exorcist can not have been culted, so there's definitely one town between us.
We have one medic, one cop and two scum out of bantler, greenlover, mpolo and weiyaoli.

The above of course assumes town hasn't been culted. If town has been culted, we're in the minority here and we'll have to rely on mafia getting rid of cult for us. I reckon if one cop was culted night one by a redirect, the second cop was probably culted last night, meaning it would be 2-2-3 town-mafia-cult. That's the worst case scenario and requires us to lynch cult today to have any real chance.

Basically, I think ideal would be to lynch cult today. For the moment, this is most likely FAOT because I know he's scum, just don't know which scum, so 50-50. I think it's best for Boomfrog to claim any cop results they got last night. It's possible we'll just have to trust their results despite the possibility of being culted, because it's close to impossible for town to win if we can't trust them. If that makes any sense?

[bantler]

Psssst. Hey... Wanna see something? Look in this bag. It's The Game.

[bantler]

1 exorcist and 1 scum: webby, FAOT
1 medic: Bantler
Boomfrog knows the cop out of: greenlover, mpolo and weiyaoli.
The other two are scum.

Adam H should've claimed yesterday.

[webby]

1 exorcist and 1 scum: webby, FAOT
1 medic: Bantler
Boomfrog knows the cop out of: greenlover, mpolo and weiyaoli.
The other two are scum.

Adam H should've claimed yesterday.

That's nice, but unfortunately it only works if we know you're town.

[ForAllOfThis]

I'm not scum (which means Webby is scum/cult, false claiming).

Vote: Webby

Webby claims to know that I am scum, yet doesn't put a vote down. Towns reaction to scum is to usually vote for them. Can't see any reason why he wouldn't as town, if he knows I'm scum then it's better than BF's results because his claim can't be tainted by cult (whereas BF's can). I think mpolo isn't mafia (but could be cult, although generally got townie vibes), for hammering/lynching Silknor (when GoP could have easily been killed).

Pointless waiting for the cop (from my PoV) because one mason could be recruited without the other knowing so the result could be false, whereas the information I now have is 100% accurate.

[webby]

I said exactly why I'm not voting - it's possible that it's 2 town, 2 mafia and 3 cult, in which case it would be reckless to vote when we'd have to hit cult rather than mafia. I don't see what makes you think town would automatically vote in this position and scum wouldn't.

Also, it sounds like you're scared of the cop results and trying to shed doubt on them.

[ForAllOfThis]

Also, it sounds like you're scared of the cop results and trying to shed doubt on them.

Says the one suggesting we are at 2/2/3 (and one of you or me are town) meaning that at least one of the cops would have to have been culted in your scenario.

I said exactly why I'm not voting - it's possible that it's 2 town, 2 mafia and 3 cult.

Plus, I was not trying to shed doubt on the cops, it's important that we get last nights results. What I was trying to say before you tried so hard to twist my words, is that from my PoV it's better to go with the information I know, than the information the cops provide.

[BoomFrog]

1 exorcist and 1 scum: webby, FAOT
1 medic: Bantler
Boomfrog knows the cop out of: greenlover, mpolo and weiyaoli.
The other two are scum.

Adam H should've claimed yesterday.

That's nice, but unfortunately it only works if we know you're town.

Did you miss the part where Bantler just claimed a unique role? Bantler's confirmed town unless someone counter-claims medic. I suppose he could be cult though.

How does the lynch work today?

[ForAllOfThis]

EBWOP:

The above of course assumes town hasn't been culted. If town has been culted, we're in the minority here and we'll have to rely on mafia getting rid of cult for us.

Notice what's wrong with this (and in part, Webbys 2/2/3 argument)? He forgets to mention or include the vigilante kill that he claims to possess against cult (which is pretty crucial). The only reason I picked up on this is because I was just trying to work out worst case scenarios myself and who it would be best for me to target tonigh . I still haven't used my power so still have it. It should be safe to discuss because mafia will be equally interested in getting rid of cult members at this stage in the game as well (and I am open to suggestions).

So why did you forget you have the ability to vigilante kill cult members, Webby?

Ninjaed - Surely everyone will claim medic now, Boomfrog? The only other claim left is exorcist and that's practically admitting your scum. & No cop results? I think it's important the mason / other cop claims at this point as well.

[webby]

No, it's just that I'm planning to withhold my exorcism until late in the game where I have a better idea of players' alignments and there are likely more cult. I decided on a threshold for using it, barring exceptional circumstances, of 5 players left, in the hope that I get two kills.

I thought it was pretty intuitive that without the influence of mafia, we'd lose, but I'll spell it out fully - I have one kill per night (assuming I don't miskill and turn vanilla), so under the worst-case scenario I'm effectively in the same situation as scum is when they're in the minority. Ignore the mafia and you have three cult vs two town, with cult knowing exactly who town is. That's equivalent to a game which is 3-2 in favour of town, with town knowing who the scum are and scum not knowing who each other are. That's why we'd need mafia help.

But the worst-case scenario stuff was meant to be a side-note - I reckon it's more likely that either the cult leader hasn't recruited anyone yet, or recruited a scum member last night from an attempted nightkill. Medic is another explanation for no nightkill - bantler have you targetted anyone yet?

[webby]

EBWOP - because I'm sure FAOT is going to try and jump on this - when I say miskill, I mean mistarget, I am aware that my target doesn't die if they're not cult.

[BoomFrog]

FOAT please stop giving your scumbuddy advice in public. I thought mafia have day chat?

Anyway, that's a good point that everone's going to claim medic. However there is still some chance to catch a false claim. "Medics" should declare who they targeted, however I think we should do this, as is traditional, in a scummist to towniest order. I'll consult with my partner and come back with an order to claim in.

[mpolo]

As FAOT has so kindly pointed out, everybody who hasn't claimed is going to claim medic at this point. BoomFrog's idea of claiming in a determined order is probably worthwhile, assuming that neither he nor his partner has been culted.

[BoomFrog]

My partner is 100% confirmed town today. His targets are both proven not-recruiter. From an outside perspective its possible that I am cult if I was very unlucky N2, but if I am cult then my partner knows who recruited me. Which is why I said my partner will make the list and send it to me.

[ForAllOfThis]

You need to stop being so narrow-minded boomfrog, you've wanted me lynched all game and it is going to cost us the game if your still town. The only reason I mentioned that scum would now claim medic was because you were suggesting that bantler is 'confirmed town' which is far from the case, so I'll repeat what I said to webby, please stop trying to twist my words.

[bantler]

No, it's just that I'm planning to withhold my exorcism until late in the game where I have a better idea of players' alignments and there are likely more cult. I decided on a threshold for using it, barring exceptional circumstances, of 5 players left, in the hope that I get two kills.

But the worst-case scenario stuff was meant to be a side-note - I reckon it's more likely that either the cult leader hasn't recruited anyone yet, or recruited a scum member last night from an attempted nightkill. Medic is another explanation for no nightkill - bantler have you targetted anyone yet?

Hard to notice through all the blood....but there was no Mafia Kill last night. You're welcome town.
Could be a convert, but I don't think mafia would shoot blind.

If you wait you'll likely be dead before you can use your Excorcism. I would suggest you purge FOAT tonight while we hang the two scum in the non-medic group ( weiyaoli, mpolo, greenlover). Cop may as well claim (or Boomfrog can out him).
If they are both Mafia they already know, and I don't feel like playing around with switching votes for three days.

[bantler]

As FAOT has so kindly pointed out, everybody who hasn't claimed is going to claim medic at this point. BoomFrog's idea of claiming in a determined order is probably worthwhile, assuming that neither he nor his partner has been culted.

Considering I likely saved the NK target last night, you guys already know where to claim action.

[roband]

You know, I don't even know the rules to this game. Who's winning?

[ForAllOfThis]

As FAOT has so kindly pointed out, everybody who hasn't claimed is going to claim medic at this point. BoomFrog's idea of claiming in a determined order is probably worthwhile, assuming that neither he nor his partner has been culted.

Considering I likely saved the NK target last night, you guys already know where to claim action.

Who did you protect?

[bantler]

Who did you protect?

Did the Mafia screw up and get themselves converted by targeting you last night?
If webby is the Cultist you can just purge him tonight, eh?

[bantler]

Votals:

Adam H - 1 - (Silknor)
GoP - 3 (bantler, FAOT, greenlover)
mpolo - 1 -(weiyaoli)
Silknor - 4 - (BoomFrog, Adam H, webby, mpolo)

Silknor has been lynched. Day Two is over!

Flavor and fun stuff in the morning, deadline is whenever the deadbeat mod gets on and posts.

Considering the hammer on Silknor, Mpolo is almost certainly either the Cop or Cultist.

[ForAllOfThis]

Who did you protect?

Did the Mafia screw up and get themselves converted by targeting you last night?
If webby is the Cultist you can just purge him tonight, eh?

Actually you would be my number one target for my exorcist power, simply because you keep trying to suggest targets to me. Sounds like something the cultist would be interested in doing.

& Why didn't you answer my question? Its important seeing as whoever you claim to have protected was saved last night which gives us some more information.

[BoomFrog]

FAOT did you miss the part where we were going to have a claim order? My partner decided the order should be:

Mpolo, GL, Wei, Bantler.

Please proceed. I am curious to see who lies about their targeting.

[mpolo]

For better or worse, I decided to wait for N4 to use my medkit -- I figured that at least one of the modkills would be a medic, just on the basis of probability, and didn't want to be missing a kit at endgame. Now it turns out that I got a second kit anyway, so I'm going to have to figure out what to do here.

As there was no mafia kill, I am presuming that a mafioso got culted last night.

N1: no deaths - there could have been a successful medic, or a mafia failure/redirect.

N2: no deaths - must be a culted mafia. Or withheld kill, I suppose, but I think that is unlikely.

So, I think we have either one mafioso who knows who the two members of the cult are, or three cultists, two of whom were once mafiosos.

[BoomFrog]

For better or worse, I decided to wait for N4 to use my medkit -- I figured that at least one of the modkills would be a medic, just on the basis of probability, and didn't want to be missing a kit at endgame. Now it turns out that I got a second kit anyway, so I'm going to have to figure out what to do here.

So you have two kits now? Can you use them both tonight?

BTW, modprod GL?

[ForAllOfThis]

Unvote

The lynches are reversed. We need to take that into account when lynching today. I did miss the reveal order discussion though.

[BoomFrog]

Is it true that the player to receive the most votes today in this game will be lynched in Roband's game and vice versa?

Is it against the rules to for me to direct people in the other game how to vote?

[Lataro]

yes, and "things specific to one game should not be discussed in the other game".

A line exists, keep on the right side of it.

[greenlover]

BTW, modprod GL?

No need, I'm here.

Anyway, I protected BF N1. I rolled a three, so I guessed I probably shouldn't have, but I figured that it was probably the best idea at the time.

[bantler]

FAOT did you miss the part where we were going to have a claim order? My partner decided the order should be:

Mpolo, GL, Wei, Bantler.

Please proceed. I am curious to see who lies about their targeting.

Now you have at least one lie. I assume the cop is blending a claim to avoid detection, but at this point it's not going to matter; Nobody but the Exorcist should be acting tonight and all the scum are outed. Exorcist is likely going to be cult-blocked anyway.

The mafia may have two recruits now. They don't know who I protected last night and are likely very curious to know why their kill failed.
I'll throw in after Wei if you still want me to, but unless you guys tracked me and need confirmation I'd rather the mafia sweat it.

The reversal is troubling but I think we can manage it.
I'm not 100% on webby's innocence, but pretty close.

Subtract the Cop and Hang The Lot:

mpolo
ForAllofThis
Greenlover
Wei

[mpolo]

So you have two kits now? Can you use them both tonight?

I had assumed that this would be possible, but I haven't asked about it.

If a medic has two medkits, can he use both of them in the same night?

[Lataro]

No.

[weiyaoli]

I am the Beat Cop. Nothing else to say until bantler claims his target. (And yes I do feel you should do this).