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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby DaBigCheez » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:15 pm UTC

Zoo:
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Heh...according to that watcher result, roband visited me last night to kill me. Means odds are pretty good he's scum, imo, unless others did too. Called it? :3
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Silknor » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:33 pm UTC

Misnomer wrote:Zoo:
Spoiler:
Well, those spoilers were distinctly unrevealing. Where's all the juicy anti-town gossip?


Zoo:
Spoiler:
You're right, there hasn't been much! Guava juice and Pineapple juice are scum. But they might be in trouble because Grapefruit juice is the SK and doesn't like their lack of pulp!

Warning. This post contains spoilers for Breakfast Mafia.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby DaBigCheez » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:44 pm UTC

DaBigCheez wrote:Zoo:
Spoiler:
Heh...according to that watcher result, roband visited me last night to kill me. Means odds are pretty good he's scum, imo, unless others did too. Called it? :3

Zoo:
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Or not, roband's chat doesn't seem full of scum and I guess he might get mislynched tomorrow as a result if he's not :/
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Vieto » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:47 pm UTC

roband wrote:
Vieto wrote:Who
Spoiler:
Yeah, I screwed up. Seriously, from now on I swear not to have any more inventor/inventor-like roles. They can really be game-breakers, especially if I have to think on the spot.

Dr Who:
Spoiler:
What happened?


More Who:
Spoiler:
Are the monsters who hide in human skins in this game?

Dr. Who
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1. I accidentally revealed a fixed point in a way which prevented a mafia from being lynched. The only real affect it had was the game will go on a bit longer, so it didn't break the game.

2. The Slitheen? No. I couldn't even fit them into the 21-player version. In any case, the Master's ability is pretty similar in this game.

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Mavketl » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:34 pm UTC

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Lataro » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:29 pm UTC

Team Lataro:

Spoiler:
webby is making a huge gamble here. If town knew there were no more mafia left, they'd lynch him so hard right now for his suggestion to lynch a claimed exorcist, since a real one would go for ignoring FAOT in order to use their power on him.

Of course, town doesn't know this...

If cult wins this, it'll be all him carrying them with his play here.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby roband » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:00 am UTC

Zoo:
Spoiler:
If I'm wrong, I'm going to look like even more of a dick

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Silknor » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:11 am UTC

Zoo:
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Lots of funny stuff going on thanks to quite the coincidence! But I do have to clarify one thing, I did not tell roband he wasn't roleblocked, that would be bad modding in my eyes. I told him that if his power had otherwise been successful, the death of the target was sufficient to prevent it from happening. He probably knew that, but choose not to reveal that :)

And since I'm sure people reading this want the juicy gossip (hey Misnomer!), I'll let it be known that the current player structure is 3-2-1.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Adam H » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:35 pm UTC

Gopher of Pern wrote:
Adam H wrote:Team Lataro:
Spoiler:
You guys better not lynch FOAT and then blame me when we lose. If I had claimed you would have lynched both exorcists, vig would be culted, and there'd be 4 cult and 1 mafia. SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CRAP. :P


Team Lataro:
Spoiler:
Not really. If you had claimed, I would have likely voted for FAOT, but I would have targetted mpolo, who I am pretty sure is cult leader. As it seems mafia targeted them too, I would have killed them, leaving a few cult members, as well as 1 scum. Would have been an interesting finish.

Still, none of us played well. I have to tip my hat to Webby, he had us completely fooled.
Team Lataro:
Spoiler:
Yeah. That's true about mpolo being targetted by the mafia first, I forgot that if he already recruited mafia then vig kill would be successful. But I still think I did the right thing by not claiming. I don't see what good things would have happened if I had claimed. You can say that you would have killed the cult leader instead of murder/suicided, but you could have just as easily been culted or targetted medic/cop.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Mavketl » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:10 am UTC

Zoo:
Spoiler:
I can't wait to see the action log for last night.

Also it's annoying that webby is a mason - he can't be scum.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Sungura » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:02 pm UTC

I am happy so far the peeps signed up for firefly ive played with before. But I dont know where my notebook of metanotes went to. I really need to find that, been a while I might not remember everyones tells...
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby roband » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:05 pm UTC

People take notes?! No wonder I'm sometimes lacking...

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Sungura » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:49 pm UTC

I think im the only one who does LOL
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby roband » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:08 pm UTC

This is somewhat of a relief.

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby RoadieRich » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:18 pm UTC

Pray Amy doesn't find it: the team opposing her might be in with a chance then.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Vieto » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:56 pm UTC

She won't find it... because I have it! :twisted:

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Adam H » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:02 pm UTC

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Spoiler:
I really don't understand how the reversed voting is supposed to work out. GoP presumably knows the scum in Lataro's game (he read the spoilers, at least), and bantler just told him in roband's game to keep in mind that the voting is reversed. It just feels like cheating is unavoidable.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Lataro » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:11 pm UTC

Adam H wrote:Fun Games of Fun (mods can read):
Spoiler:
I really don't understand how the reversed voting is supposed to work out. GoP presumably knows the scum in Lataro's game (he read the spoilers, at least), and bantler just told him in roband's game to keep in mind that the voting is reversed. It just feels like cheating is unavoidable.


FGOF:

Spoiler:
That's where the FUN comes in. Anyone who votes for someone else citing such information, if they have read it, will enjoy a happy fun modkill!

Moreso, there is a fine line here where players can vote based on stuff in the other game, knowing how this works, but if they do so based exclusively on that, they'll enjoy a happy fun modkill if they cross the line in the rules.

This is why we are being kinda vague here on what is acceptable and what isn't, since it should be fairly clear based on the rules of the game what you can and can not do.

Currently, BF is riding close to the line, if he continues, he may find himself enjoying a happy fun modkill.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby roband » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:32 pm UTC

So much FUN in those spoilers, I can tell you...

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Sungura » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:42 pm UTC

Ill never tell if I found it...NEVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby greenlover » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:19 am UTC

Zoo (anyone can read):
Spoiler:
I was so close to jumping in to brag about my mom's pumpkin pie squares when mpolo and BF started talking about pumpkin desserts. Then I realized that was a game thread. Oops.

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:24 am UTC

Zoo (players CANNOT read)
Spoiler:
webby wrote:I need more people to vote before i'm able to, part of being cowardly.

Webby, you're confirmed town, live it up, and don't explain your voting restrictions to the scum.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby roband » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:23 am UTC

Zoo:
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Ah shit. If scum both vote AS, it gets tied. Then maybe AS gets lynched and mpolo can NK a townperson still. Shitshitshitshitshit. I hope scum don't realise this before deadline...

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Mavketl » Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:55 pm UTC

Zoo:
Spoiler:
roband, I need you to trust me one last game.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Mavketl » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:06 pm UTC

Zoo:
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AAAH A THREE-WAY TIE.

I don't want to die :(
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby ForAllOfThis » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:59 pm UTC

Zoo:

Spoiler:
Robands vote completely stealth ninjaed me. Then I fell asleep. Absolutely worst case scenario just happened. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CHANGE YOUR VOTE WITHOUT ME SAYING YES I'LL CHANGE. Now mpolo gets a new kill and I've decided to block Mav (completely forgot). Oh well.

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Angua » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:33 pm UTC

I am in no games at the moment. This is a sad state of affairs...
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Gopher of Pern » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:26 pm UTC

Rob's Team:
Spoiler:


Lataro's Team:
Spoiler:
I've no idea what's going on now.


Lataro's and Roband's Games:
Spoiler:
Honestly, this lynch bastardry thing is really putting me off. It has made the game un-fun.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby ConMan » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:00 pm UTC

Would anyone be brave enough to try a game with me modding? I don't have much experience, but there's only one way to fix that!

Game idea:
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Friendly Neighbourhood Mafia: A micro where all the players live on the same street and so there are neighbours - i.e. pairs of people with day chat. Mafia don't get their normal chat, and instead the out-of-town godfather sends one of them permission to make the kill each day.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby weiyaoli » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:13 am UTC

Zoo:
Spoiler:
Why did mpolo just play against his win condition so much? With AS being lynched, he was actually free to target town leading to a 1/1/1 endgame that he had more chance of winning than 3/1.
And you thought I was crazy...

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Mavketl » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:55 am UTC

Zoo:
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What the fuck, mpolo. I would've handed you the win in trade for a scum second place if you had killed FAOT.

Do you even want to win? Why are you handing this game to town, they were playing so poorly!

On the bright side, I didn't get lynched. :P

Edit: that oracle, what :D god I hope FAOT is Trogdor.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby BoomFrog » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:51 pm UTC

@conman, I would play a game you ran, sure. But I find privite PM chat without any secret information to discuss to be pretty useless. Try something a little spicier.

Zoo
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Oh Mav, I so wanted to see you lynched. You were so clearly scum on D2... :( And yeah, I second the wtf Mpolo? You are miraculously handed a possible win even after claiming SK and don't go for it? Even if your kill was blocked and it ended up 2-1-1 then you or Mav would be lynched and the other jailed. I guess he was betting the game that Mav was actually not scum...?
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Mavketl » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:32 pm UTC

Zoo:
Spoiler:
My last message to Silknor:
Also most ironic possible set of actions this night:

FAOT jails me, thus blocking my kill. I roleblock him, thus negating my own protection. mpolo kills me.

I think it would be bad play on mpolo's part, so I'm not counting on that... but it would be so funny :P

If the "Cassandra" is a nod to that, awesome :D
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Silknor » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:18 pm UTC

Zoo:
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Indeed Mav :)

As for mpolo, my guess is that he wanted a second place win (eliminated after scum) and decided not to pursue the strategy which might put him in first, but might put him in third.
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Postby Mavketl » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:30 pm UTC

Zoo:
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Really, you get a second place for that? :P I would've thought it was just a town win and everyone else lose.

Anyway, not playing for the win is no fun.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Silknor » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:25 pm UTC

Mavketl wrote:
Spoiler:
Really, you get a second place for that? :P I would've thought it was just a town win and everyone else lose.

Anyway, not playing for the win is no fun.


Zoo:
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Well if you prefer, you can think of it as first loser :P

This sort of thing comes up a lot in 3-4 faction games though, usually by end game there's one that knows they can't win, and so they try to ally themselves with town. In this case though, I'm not sure if that was the case. Depending on kills last night it could have easily become a 1-1-1 where town was in the position of playing kingmaker between anti-town factions, or a 2-1-1 where one anti-town might pretend to ally with town to eliminate the other and have a chance at winning it all.

I figure that rather than have a faction give up when it's clear they can't get first place, it makes sense to make more explicit the competition for second, it adds some interesting dynamics and diplomacy in my view.
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Mavketl » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:48 pm UTC

Zoo:
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I would make a distinction between the scenario we discussed (1 scum 1 sk kill each other during the night) where there's a second place basically to prevent a tied win / nobody wins and one faction clearly winning. Your arguments make sense, though, I can see why you would do it this way. Indifferent kingmakers are not good for games in general.

It peeves me a little that mpolo could've *had* the win and didn't go for it, not because he killed me (a scum win was pretty much impossible by now unless I got ridiculously convenient abilities) but as a matter of principle ;)
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Postby Misnomer » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:54 pm UTC

Zoo:
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So is that a town win then?
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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby weiyaoli » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:38 pm UTC

Lataro's fun game:
Spoiler:
Okay, I ended up going with a webby vote. Mostly because of bantler really. I'm finding everything he has said so far today really suspicious and aggressively weird. His comments to FAOT in particular are mocking and lack of the good reasoning that he had yesterday. (this 180 is making me think culted N2 tbh)

Hence I'm thinking about a possible (BF, webby, bantler) cult trio right now. Cult for bantler because at the start of the day he was so out there with his belief on innocence (maybe his playstyle?) but with BF's cop on him I'm really thinking cult leader that BF was trying to protect.

Regarding the webby claim D2, I don't see why it is particularly townie. Since BF in particular (as confirmed town, although the weirdness with bantler is making me doubt him) was so gungho about lynching FAOT would have still have left it to D3 with another possible person that could be lynched before he would by the time 2-4 town for 1 scum depending on his usefulness (or maybe he is the godfather and wants to die to take another town with him?).


EDIT:
Lataro's fun game:
Spoiler:
Let's consider numbers.
We have 2 scum and 1 cult (possibly 3 cult). One of the scum has to been culted at least (since the scum NK has failed twice in a row). Let's see if I can get somewhere with logic in thread.

EDIT2: Nope, going nowhere with that. It's a shame that there exists the possibility that recruited scum could have been chosen the second night as well which would obviously make the NK fail)
And you thought I was crazy...

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Re: DISCUSSION THREAD/Gojoe canNEVER be trusted

Postby Lataro » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:34 pm UTC

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Spoiler:
This is very interesting. Right now, if Silknor logged on, he'd be effectively a kingmaker in today's lynch. Either way this falls, it'll be very interesting. I'm almost cheering for him, or someone else with an odd vote out there, to get on and decide this lynch in roband's game, which will effect my game.
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