Izawwlgood wrote: Cleverbeans wrote:
Izawwlgood wrote:Arguments being thrown around are either 'college enriches students which society benefits by, so let them study whatever they want' or 'college should train you for a profession'. Propose a middle ground.
They should do both, like they do right now.
Did you miss the whole thing with people feeling cheated because their college education didn't net them what they thought it would? The liberal arts education that has netted society a bunch of degree holders who are unemployable and indebted is the issue, not whether or not learning a wide range of topics is cool.
O.K. We have looped all the way around to where this started. We need educated people. The people of the United States are camping out inside cities. These people have been pushed to desperate measures.
Do the people 'on the ground' have the education to move their nation forward?
Has the idea that education will make the student more money trumped the idea that the education is valuable to not only the individual, but also, to the society?
It is the 1984 questions all over again.
Yes. Men and women do need to be able to contribute.
Liberal Arts Majors are kind of a pain. I have met some that could use a once through with the Scientific Method.
The United States had a document that put forward the idea that the government was for and by the people. That document is no longer used as the guiding principles of the United States.
I read the Patriot Act. Did any one else read that ugly thing?
I know that it seems weird. The ideals that were washed away by the Patriot Act are important to the well being of the nation. The people see the symptoms and do not understand the cause. Law enforcement no longer serves the people.
The government has turned over large portions of its responsibilities to private companies that then bill the government and skim off profits.
These are frightening things. The parks. Many parks are now run not by public employees but by private companies. They are making a profit. The companies bill the government.
The prisons are an other real life example. The companies make a profit from helpless humans. The people in prisons are in cages. They eat what they are given and they are wise to not complain. The companies bill the government.
The people want to work and live good happy lives. The people that are staying out of trouble are working so hard. The fear of scarcity is palpable.
Why does one person work 12 hour days when there are people that are qualified to do the work and are unemployed? Why?
4-6 hour days would be enough. There is enough money to pay good people a reasonable salary. The top 2% are really doing nothing. The bottom 2% are working hard and going under.
Education and stargazing are luxuries. Such sweet luxuries. We can afford education, stargazing, good humane prisons, Mental Health systems, Public Health systems. It is true! We can have all of those things.
It was the educated that looked back into human history and thoughtfully brought forward the ideas that were our guiding principles. Now; What are the guiding principles? Make a profit; Bill the government?
Jobs? Yes. And a better understanding of who works for who.
The United States constitution was not perfect. But; It was pretty good. Canada's constitution may be better. It is younger.
Can the people read and understand these two documents? I am making a guess that most can not. That is where we have a problem, Huston.
People know that something is wrong. The people see the symptoms. The people have no idea what has gone so terribly wrong.
Education helps. It does not make me powerful enough to change a darned thing. But; It allowed me to read these two powerful documents and understand them.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.
We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
by mr. Oscar Wilde.
Those that want to Know; Know.
Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
They do terrible things to people that Tell Them.