Cheezwhiz Jenkins wrote:
Izawwlgood wrote:That's part of the problem; people are possibly/probably choosing majors that don't have a strong ability to employ them, i.e., treating college as 'personal enrichment' rather than 'professional development'.
Aaaand we're back to espousing false dichotomies and proclaiming that the purpose of college is only to get you a job.
No. I really do want to communicate about the subject.
A University education changes the person. A University education is like a foundry for the soul. A good education does change the person. I think that my education was a good one. It was difficult. Me, the student, worked very hard.
I can do everything now, (with some exceptions) that I could do before University. Yet; I have a more interesting relationship to everything that I do.
There are people (George Bush the Second is a good example) that have a diploma, but, don't know anything.
Thank God, for Google and Wikipedia. We are able to self educate. The framework of the University is still important. It is nice to know that we know stuff.
We learn skills at school. Then we show off for one another. Some of the stuff we learn is useful.
A good University does not allow the students to be out of control drunks. I have seen Universities that not only allow it, but, have a culture that encourages it.
Because it happens does not make it desirable. Those are not good schools; I don't care what the P.R. guys say.
Get a job? Really?
As the world goes insane; George the Second stumbles off the stage; Amish form hair cutting mobs; 'How much money do you have?' is the first medical question; And; other stuff as well; People still want to know how to fit in and work together.
University is not required to fit in and work together. We still need dreamers. Dreamers that know stuff. That is what Universities are for. Dreamers that can communicate with one another and with the rest of the world, as well.
Some of us learn to communicate in Math; Some in computer code; Some in weird symbols of Chemistry; Some in broken dead languages (Medical); Yet; We are all human and we can do so many wonderful things, together.
It is true that people that have a good high school education from nations that still educate their people are as well prepared for life as University educated people from... Well.. From many of the United States.
It is not the school, but, the students. The students are a product of their culture. And; The students are individually responsable for their learning.
Exit exams are a good idea. Damn. George the Second would have never passed an exit exam. Sure; The very wealthy and powerful can still buy exit exam scores for their children, but, most parents can not do that.
Many humans want a sense of accomplishment. Remember Maslow?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s ... y_of_needs
Education stops when a person can make enough money?! No!!
Learning and testing and playing with reality never stop. Well; Maybe, after we are dead. Maybe.
Ever heard of reincarnation? There is a scary idea. ewww.
Humans. Why are we such dicks? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Genehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Human_Zoo_%28book%29
Yeah. I know. It also explains why we are so nice.
Wikipedia says that Dr. Morris was a zoologist. I was introduced to him as the world's foremost comparative psychologist.
He wrote Man Watching. That is what Universities are for. Man Watching.
Debt? Going into debt for school? Fuck. There is a bad idea. Who does that?
I am so sorry. It makes me laugh. Really? People that go into debt for school are too stupid to be in school. How is that for an argument?
I have heard that there are nations that do not allow it.
In the United States there was a time when the government paid people to go to school. It was a quiet life. They only paid good students. The crap students were not bared from school. But, the crap students had to pay. How is it, now?
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.
We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
by mr. Oscar Wilde.
Those that want to Know; Know.
Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
They do terrible things to people that Tell Them.