IPA information

[Bobber]

I think we're interpreting Bobber's message differently...

You definitely are, and you are the one interpreting it in the right way. The way I understood

SAMPA uses multiple characters for single sounds

was that there were some sounds for which SAMPA had more than one single character which could be used interchangeably to represent it. I see now that what was actually meant was that there were some sounds for which SAMPA uses two characters at the same time paired together, such as the ones in the examples gmal provided.

You didn't actually look very hard, it seems...

Come on guy, no need to be smug about it. I had even edited my post with some examples I had found myself, so don't give me that stuff.

[gmalivuk]

Come on guy, no need to be smug about it. I had even edited my post with some examples I had found myself, so don't give me that stuff.

Look, it's a 3-day weekend and I've been drinking since I got home from work. Which was several hours before I wrote that post. Cut me some slack, okay?

[Bobber]

Come on guy, no need to be smug about it. I had even edited my post with some examples I had found myself, so don't give me that stuff.

Look, it's a 3-day weekend and I've been drinking since I got home from work. Which was several hours before I wrote that post. Cut me some slack, okay?

Fair deuce

[juillet]

What I want is a certain font face, so that if I type something in (X)SAMPA, it gives an IPA-looking character. ¿Does this exist? if so, a link would be appreciated.

The Unicode Phonetic Keyboard (UCL) lets you type in SAMPA and will output the corresponding IPA symbol. If you don't have a UK keyboard, the correspondence may deviate in some cases, but there's a layout chart available on the same page as the above link so you can always check.

[just_me]

wow thanks for the keyboard, thats really awesome.
I just started my linguistic courses right now, but I think I've still got a quite nice site instead of the victoria university one.
http://www.paulmeier.com/ipa/charts.html
it takes a bit to load, but then you don't have to wait anymore.

[vaguelyhumanoid]

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but Firefox has a "special characters" Unicode input under "edit".
[ɪts jusfɤl fɔɹ lɪŋɡwɪstɪks].

[Laogeodritt]

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but Firefox has a "special characters" Unicode input under "edit".
[ɪts jusfɤl fɔɹ lɪŋɡwɪstɪks].

Not under 3.6.3 on Windows. Are you on a 3.7/4.0 unstable release? Or perhaps using an extension?

[vaguelyhumanoid]

I'm on 3.6.6 on a Mac.

[Makri]

I think that's a Mac speciality. You can do that in various programs with alt+apple+t.

[goofy]

IPA palette for easy IPA input on Mac OS X

[macrophage]

This is slightly off topic but there's a site called ipaflashcards.com (not allowed to post links yet I think) where you can order what seem to be high quality cards for learning the IPA. I never actually ordered them myself as they are pretty pricey but I have been on the verge of ordering them a couple of times.

This forum seems to be populated with the kind of folks who would actually take the time to learn the IPA.

edit: I should also like to point out that I have no affiliation with the aforementioned product.

[ZLVT]

or you could download anki, an e-flashcard program, and dl or make flashcards for IPA using the images and soundbytes on wiki (anki supports text, TeX, images, and sounds I think)

[wismith]

or you could download anki, an e-flashcard program, and dl or make flashcards for IPA using the images and soundbytes on wiki (anki supports text, TeX, images, and sounds I think)

"Anki" it's the name of the program?

[ZLVT]

yes, it comes from the japanese word for remember. http://ankisrs.net/

[drego642]

Phonetics question here; on palatalization: (this may be a very basic concept, but for some reason, there's some confusion on my end here) would it be correct, incorrect, or partially correct to say that when a given consonant is palatalized, it is simply pronounced as normal, then followed immediately by a slight [j] sound? As I think I understand it now, a consonant is palatalized when, after articulation, the tongue moves to the palate, thereby creating a small [j] sound at the end of said consonant, merely as a side-effect.

[goofy]

Palatization is a secondary articulation - it means that the tongue is raised towards the palate in addition to whatever else is being articulated.

[steewi]

Phonetics question here; on palatalization: (this may be a very basic concept, but for some reason, there's some confusion on my end here) would it be correct, incorrect, or partially correct to say that when a given consonant is palatalized, it is simply pronounced as normal, then followed immediately by a slight [j] sound? As I think I understand it now, a consonant is palatalized when, after articulation, the tongue moves to the palate, thereby creating a small [j] sound at the end of said consonant, merely as a side-effect.

Palatalisation occurs while the first sound is being articulated, where a sequence doesn't (necessarily) imply the overlap. So when you have a sequence of p^j, the body of the tongue's raised while you have the p-closure, and when you release it, the tongue's already moving to whatever the following place of articulation is. When the sequence is pj, the body of the the tongue doesn't raise until the p is releasing.

In practice the two of them are often used interchangeably, unless you're transcribing one of the pesky palatalising languages, even if they're not, technically, interchangeable.