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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby EmptySet » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:48 pm UTC

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There's the durian fruit which is bigger than your head, spiky as fuck and really really tough to get into. Plus they smell anywhere from "generic fruit smell" to "public bathroom", the fruit has the consistency of fungus and apparently tastes like "fruit, but I don't know which".

It taste like custard, but despite being few blocks away from a durian tree I never tried it :P Not unlike a corpse pretending to be food.


I've heard it described as "like eating vanilla custard while sitting in a public latrine". Having tried it myself, I disagree... about the vanilla custard part. I like vanilla custard but not durian. It truly does smell awful, though.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Steax » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:54 pm UTC

My favorite quote on that monstrosity is "tastes like heaven, smells like something died."

Not sure. I hate that thing.

Also, annoyingness in commercials: why do shampoo companies have to have massive, sprawling technologically advanced labs with holograms, light pillars and people in lab suits walking around?
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby podbaydoor » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:47 pm UTC

Because otherwise you wouldn't know that the ADVANCED shampoo was working in ADVANCED ways on your hair.

I've heard it described as "like eating vanilla custard while sitting in a public latrine".

I can agree with that. I can eat durian, but I don't breathe through my nose while I'm doing it. This cuts out most of my sense of taste since taste is mostly smell anyway, but what I'm left with can register the mildly sweet flavor and not be bothered with the disturbing background odor.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Steax » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:00 pm UTC

Sometimes I wonder if shampoos are just a bunch of good-smelling things mashed together. I mean, it just looks like a blob of liquid. "Fragrance" and "coloring agent" are always high on their ingredient list. On the forward list, though, "advanced", "breakthrough", "cutting-edge" and all sorts of other words are used.

... Wait, people have actually tried durian? I'm pretty sure they can only live around here in southeast asia.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:04 pm UTC

And they can be shipped anywhere. Even Canada (Link to the LoadingReadyRun video of several of them trying Durian. Including a long sequence of just getting in to the damned thing.)
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby meridian » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:08 pm UTC

Steax wrote:Sometimes I wonder if shampoos are just a bunch of good-smelling things mashed together. I mean, it just looks like a blob of liquid. "Fragrance" and "coloring agent" are always high on their ingredient list. On the forward list, though, "advanced", "breakthrough", "cutting-edge" and all sorts of other words are used.

... Wait, people have actually tried durian? I'm pretty sure they can only live around here in southeast asia.

They can exist in the Caribbean region too.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby podbaydoor » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:21 pm UTC

Asian supermarkets, yo. Also...I have regularly visited Taiwan my whole life. We're not exactly a homebound lot here.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Steax » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:44 am UTC

I wasn't aware they had enough of a market to be properly exported. I'm pretty sure they're banned on normal flights, so they'd have to be properly packaged and everything...

That reminds me of a terribly named product. There's this Indonesian ice cream, durian-flavored, named Dung Dung. It's supposed to be a reference to the drumming sound made by traditional sellers as they go around in carts, but it forms a terrible pun when you remember that people say it smells like... crap.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby SecondTalon » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:30 am UTC

Well, yeah.. lots of countries have bans on the exportation/importation of fruit.. by private citizens. Corporations or people with the proper licensing and such can export all the fruit they want.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby tastelikecoke » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:44 am UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Because otherwise you wouldn't know that the ADVANCED shampoo was working in ADVANCED ways on your hair.
They're also making new innovations like micronized energizers or microlyzed metal nutrients. Those things definitely make your shampoo advanced.

Edit: on the plus side, they're usually better than most sci-fi tech names.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Menacing Spike » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:39 pm UTC

You wouldn't download a car.


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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby RoadieRich » Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:46 pm UTC

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You wouldn't download a car.


I give up. What does that even mean?

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby emceng » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:38 pm UTC

That's funny, but that person has bad taste. Lost, Avatar and Public Enemies - bleh. TNG doesn't make up for that. Plus it's pretty crazy that Master and Commander is twice the size of an entire season of a TV show.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Tomlidich » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:53 pm UTC

tastelikecoke wrote:
podbaydoor wrote:Because otherwise you wouldn't know that the ADVANCED shampoo was working in ADVANCED ways on your hair.
They're also making new innovations like micronized energizers or microlyzed metal nutrients. Those things definitely make your shampoo advanced.

Edit: on the plus side, they're usually better than most sci-fi tech names.

if getting metal particles in your hair makes it more healthy, i must have god level hair from working on broken machinery all the time.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Cathy » Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:42 am UTC

I've almost certainly posted about this before, but if your website has video commercials that start at 100% sound and load before anything else on the page and have no mute button, I will never visit your site again. Ever.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:43 pm UTC

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You wouldn't download a car.


I give up. What does that even mean?
Piracy.

As Futurama says, Downloading Often Is Terrible. Remember.

Granted, they should have chosen better stills with things like.. I dunno.. cohesive hairstyle perhaps.. but...

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby emceng » Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:10 pm UTC

Would have been better with Picard. Everything is.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Angua » Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:17 pm UTC

Great time working in a cafe that does lots of herbal teas - two guys walk in and ask if we're still open. The coffee machine is still on, so we say yes. They ask if we do 'normal' teas - we say no really. They go, well what about earl grey - that's a normal tea, isn't it. We say, oh no, it's a great tea. I chime in with - earl grey is the scifi tea, mainly for trekkies. They sort of laugh at that one (as though they vaguely get the reference). Later, I overhear them arguing over whether or not Kirk or Picard was the better captain, and one of them (an American by the sound of his accent) said that he didn't realise how much of what he thought British culture was had been influenced by star trek before he came here.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby phlip » Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:34 pm UTC

emceng wrote:Would have been better with Picard. Everything is.

Certainly much easier to get consistent hairstyles...
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Idhan » Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:20 pm UTC

Two commercials which annoy me now:

One: the Slim Jim Manmergency commercials. Ugh.

Two: The creepy Prius commercials with the weird person-made-of-people. Did they not realize how disturbing that is? What were they thinking?
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby a_fuzzyduck » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:27 pm UTC

emceng wrote:Would have been better with Picard. Everything is.


Almost everything
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:16 am UTC

No, everything.

Imagine someone.. anyone else.. voicing that.

Yeah. It could have been that much worse.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Menacing Spike » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:31 am UTC

emceng wrote:Would have been better with Picard. Everything is.


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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby astrekmaster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:44 am UTC

Commercials that annoy me is those ads with before and after pictures; the "after" picture could have been photoshopped.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby ConMan » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:50 am UTC

Generally it counts as false advertising (and hence illegal) to have photoshopped the after picture, but there are plenty of ways companies can be douchebags with before/after pics (many of which are probably already mentioned somewhere in this thread). Some include:
* Taking the before picture in unfavourable conditions (harsh lighting, at a time when the person isn't well) and taking the after ones in favourable conditions (soft lighting, etc)
* "Results not typical" - find the one person who used the product and found it cured their cancer, ignore the 1,000 who got cancer from it
* Ignore other factors that may have contributed to the result
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Adacore » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:00 am UTC

Yeah, there's a good list of the techniques used on tvtropes, strangely. And some hilarious examples, less strangely.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Cathy » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:40 am UTC

I trust MY body to ideal image, and so should you!

Appeal to authority fallacy. Radio announcers know jack shit about the safety of these hair removal places.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Sonic132 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:57 am UTC

Doucebaggery: Those "Complete our survey for a free X!" emails. Of course once you've completed the survey and submitted it they tell you the catch - you must buy something from one of their sponsors, and all the choices are incredibly expensive things like credit cards or cars. So the only ones getting something for free is them. They got your survey results for free.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby RebeccaRGB » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:06 am UTC

One commercial recently has been driving me crazy.

"Dr. Pepper Ten. It's not for women!"

Screw you and your sexist soft drink! Get off my TV! :evil:
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Cathy » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:18 am UTC

RebeccaRGB wrote:One commercial recently has been driving me crazy.

"Dr. Pepper Ten. It's not for women!"

Screw you and your sexist soft drink! Get off my TV! :evil:

Seconded.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Magnanimous » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:20 am UTC

Cathy wrote:
RebeccaRGB wrote:One commercial recently has been driving me crazy.

"Dr. Pepper Ten. It's not for women!"

Screw you and your sexist soft drink! Get off my TV! :evil:

Seconded.

I like to think that a disgruntled employee pitched that commercial as a huge "fuck you" to the company, and it actually got taken seriously.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Idhan » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:24 am UTC

Yeah. Dr Pepper really should have made more Dr. Spaceman ads. (1, 2, 3)
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Adacore » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:50 am UTC

The most famous advertising campaign like that I remember, as a Brit, was the Yorkie "it's not for girls" slogan. Every bar has had the red 'women forbidden' sign over the 'O' for a decade or so.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby PhoenixEnigma » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:12 am UTC

If it's any consolation, the Dr Pepper Ten campaign was (is) mostly counterproductive. Still doesn't make the person who decided it would be a good idea any smarter, though.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Angua » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:46 am UTC

McCoy's crisps (UK) advertise themselves as Man Crisps. I wish they weren't so good so I could boycott them. I feel like a failure of a feminist every time.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby HungryHobo » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:38 pm UTC

Angua wrote:McCoy's crisps (UK) advertise themselves as Man Crisps. I wish they weren't so good so I could boycott them. I feel like a failure of a feminist every time.


if it helps the campaigns make sense.

Yorkie's campaign was to try to combat the image (and thereby sell things) of chocolate at the time as being something primarily eaten by women, which it was. and the campaign worked. It actually has to make people laugh though, like the old spice commercials or else it just pisses people off.

It's little different from selling "mens" deodorant or "mens" cologne to help sell perfume to men when there's no real difference in the product.

Take a product popular mainly with women, add something which makes a product more painful, gritty or less pleasant then market it to men.

Yorkie used cheaper cocoa and grainier sugar, Gillette sell mens razors which give no better shave than womens but do cut you more, Sure sell anti-antiperspirants which sting.

it's a running theme.

When a product sells mostly to women an easy way to double your market is to sell almost the same product with a little added hardship or pain and stamp "for men", "mens" or if you're brave and can carry off a funny enough add campaign "not for girls" on it to make the point that it's very manly.

On a side note I've been converted to womens razors, they're simply better made, cut you less and last longer. Also screw yorkie, it's crap chocolate, the girly chocolate is better made.

the same thing goes the other way as well of course when a product isn't popular with women.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby RoadieRich » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:06 am UTC

HungryHobo wrote:On a side note I've been converted to womens razors, they're simply better made, cut you less and last longer. Also screw yorkie, it's crap chocolate, the girly chocolate is better made.

I agree completely regarding Yorkie, but you pay VAT on women's razors, as they're a luxury. Men's, however, are not, so no tax. Compare Bic 2's Men's razors for 18p each, with identical women's razors, just in a different colour for twice the price.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Adacore » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:46 am UTC

HungryHobo wrote:On a side note I've been converted to womens razors, they're simply better made, cut you less and last longer. Also screw yorkie, it's crap chocolate, the girly chocolate is better made.

I actually really like Yorkie, because I prefer the inconsistent lumpy texture to the bland uniform texture of most milk chocolate. I just (in much the same way as Angua) feel kinda guilty buying something that says 'not for girls' prominently on the packet.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby phlip » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:57 am UTC

Manly products for manly man-men.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Cathy » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:29 am UTC

We're men, we're men in tight tight tights...

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