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by **mpolo** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:16 pm UTC

Vote: bantler

I can't let you continue to railroad us into a town loss. I know you feel all-so-clever with your "cred", but it's not washing.

by **bantler** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:24 pm UTC

mpolo wrote:Vote: bantler

I can't let you continue to railroad us into a town loss. I know you feel all-so-clever with your "cred", but it's not washing.

It’s fortunate I had more cred than mpolo the Cultist when the cops went sniffing. I’d love to take credit for my excellent play, but I was merely double-countered.

by **BoomFrog** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:27 am UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:Boomfrog, how sure are you that webby is town? Will you eat your hat if you're wrong (or do some other potentially humiliating act)?

I will stake the game on the assumption that Webby is town.

As for Bantler, he is not 100% confirmed. He may be a unculted god-father. But if we lynch mpolo and webby exorcises FOAT then we should win in every resonable senerio I can think of (assuming webby is town and wei and I are unculted, and there are one or zero mafia left). Not counting lynch bastardry...

by **ForAllOfThis** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:29 pm UTC

Webby won't be able to exorcise me because he's not an exorcist. I've claimed using my power, the target I used it on etc. Webby hasn't, why do you think that is?

Wei has copped me so you know I'm not cult leader (as you checked each other last night). I wouldn't recommend copping me tonight because it's an odd night, but if there's a chance in the game (N6 maybe?) to cop me BF, then I would suggest that you do it.

We should probably be careful about the target painter, as it could cause us to lose a townie unexpectedly (and this seems to have been forgotten).

by **webby** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:48 pm UTC

Yes, you claimed a very convenient target that will give you an excuse to not have to claim again.

I haven't been using it because it seems like we have the game under control - if things go weird with lynches, we may need a kill, but we're unlikely to need multiple ones, so my use of the power can wait until I have a sure thing. It's almost certain that there's no mafia left, but not yet completely confirmed.

I agree that mpolo is probably the other scum, but given that the lynches are decided by things other than majority votes, I'm going to vote for FAOT, who I know is scum, rather than mpolo, who I merely suspect.

Vote: FAOT

by **BoomFrog** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:29 am UTC

We are going to end up lynching mpolo then FAOT or vice versa. It's pretty much decided, we just need to wait and see if we win or not. But I think putting all our votes in one spot raises our chances to avoid crazy vote mechanics.

Also, we know that FOAT is not the cult leader, and Bantler is not, and wei and I confirmed eachother. These are all facts confirmed by wei and my investigations, unless wei guessed my target last night AND I was targeted by the reflector last night. (very unlikely) So the cult leader is either Webby or Mpolo. Therefore webby, you know for a fact that mpolo is scum.

by **Lataro** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:38 pm UTC

Hey, guess what? Day Five is over!

Mpolo is dead BTW, totally got lynched.

Lets get actions in fast people!

by **Lataro** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:30 pm UTC

Hey, Mpolo is totally dead, he was the Cult Leader!

Day Six starts now, deadline is ~noon Wednesday, so about 48 hours. Please pre-submit night actions so it can be nightless, as I am going to be leaving to move this upcoming Sunday.

by **bantler** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:56 pm UTC

Oh come on Webby...you've needlessly drawn this game out for days.

Vote: ForAllOfThis

Final nail.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:03 pm UTC

Hopefully one of the cops had the common sense to cop me last night and now knows that I am telling the truth

Vote: Webby

by **weiyaoli** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:27 pm UTC

A NL,if possible, is the best play for today tbh.

Vote: NL

Why did you not exorcise FAOT last night webby?

by **weiyaoli** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:32 pm UTC

Actually, I guess it makes no difference either way.

Unvote

Vote: FAOT

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:00 pm UTC

If we NL, BF could cop me or webby tonight and you could cop the other wei (no more cult recruit means that this is possible!). It would guarantee that we lynch the right person tomorrow and prove that I'm town.

Unvote
Vote: NL

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:04 pm UTC

Or if you both cop the same person that also works. If BF dies in the night then you will know if it was me or webby who targetted BF. Although there is a chance that webby is the godfather still (and not cult), but he wont show up as exorcist if thats the case (proving that he lied).

by **Lataro** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:24 pm UTC

If an NL occurs, all anti town factions receive an instant win.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:51 pm UTC

Unvote
Vote: Webby

Or I'll let Lataro confirm it for me.

by **mpolo** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:44 pm UTC

Haunt…

Can I vote No Lynch from the Underworld?

Goes away.

by **webby** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:42 pm UTC

Vote: FAOT

I've been bluffing for days - I turned vanilla after I was convinced GoP was cult. That's why on Day 3 FAOT caught me out 'forgetting' that I had an exorcism.

by **Lataro** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:07 pm UTC

FAOT has been lynched.

N6 will last no longer than noon EST tomorrow.

by **Lataro** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:53 am UTC

Fun things are happening here!

FAOT is dead, he was an Exorcist.

Deadline is ~6 PM EST Thursday. Day 7 starts now!

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:50 am UTC

Buwah...? huh. Opps, sorry FOAT. Well played webby. Fortunately town still wins.

Vote: Webby

Since I was surprised that the game hadn't ended yet I investigated Bantler. Still town.

by **webby** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:42 pm UTC

Yeah, bantler is the godfather - at the start of the game we were scum together, then I got culted.

If you lynch me, he kills someone tonight and wins.

Vote: bantler

I'm telling you this because I might get a draw if he painted well and also I hope for some lynch bastardry.

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:14 pm UTC

Sorry, I'd rather bet that GL was mafia then that Bantler is.

by **bantler** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:42 pm UTC

Very well played webby. I have gained enormous respect for your skill.
Now sit still.

vote: webby

by **weiyaoli** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:53 pm UTC

Vote: webby

by **Lataro** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:43 pm UTC

Well, that was a ton of fun!

Little cults growing, sowing confusion.
Townies convinced, deep in delusion.
Mind games aplenty, despite certain losing.
These are a few of my favorite things.

webby has been lynched! He was the last vanilla cult.

Town wins.

Sorry for the speed up and shortness at the end, I really needed this to conclude quickly though as I'm moving next week and wouldn't be online again til early Jan. at the earliest.

Fun stuff people, and while the bastardry with the lynch was severe, as roband said, everything was per-planned and by the book.

by **Lataro** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:46 pm UTC

For those wondering...

Role assignment and actions:

Spoiler:

by **weiyaoli** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:56 pm UTC

What were the planned lynch bastardry for each day?

by **Lataro** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:05 pm UTC

d1: Combined Lnych
d2: Normal Lynch
D3: Reverse Lynch
D4: Other mod picks kingmaker for the game
D5 onward: Normal Lynches

D1: no way to find out the mechanic.
D2: All someone had to do was ask a mod.
D3: All someone had to do was guess the mechanic.
D4: Hints in both opening flavor indicating "king", all a player had to do was ask if they were the king.
D5 onward: No way to find out the mechanic.

by **weiyaoli** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:15 pm UTC

How were the kings picked? Just what the other mod felt like?

by **Lataro** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:40 pm UTC

Yep. Neither of us knew the other's setup specifically so that we could make comments about the other's in thread, as well as pick a king without knowing the consequences.

roband was boring, and not paying attention to the thread, and didn't realize you were confirmed town when he picked you.

Boring mod is boring, amirite?

Pretty sure my choice of Silknor was what won the game for Mafia over there. I thought a real FUN mod would pick someone under suspicion.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:07 pm UTC

I feel like webby deserved a win this game. I did play half terribly but I was backed in a corner with very few people believing me. The reason I thought bantler was scum was because he caused a NL on the reverse thread, which would be the best thing for cult.

by **bantler** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:25 am UTC

Webby played great...but no points for bussing if you still lose.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:40 am UTC

Tbh, I should have made the point 'Why do you think webby tried to kill me and not mpolo'. BAH.

by **webby** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:47 am UTC

Yeah I got recruited night 1, greenlover got recruited night 2, which in combination with the lynch of Silknor on day 2, meant that there were no nightkills. That's not easy, because with people avoiding using actions on odd nights, and the general feeling that mpolo might be the cult leader, we never got more recruits, either, so it was basically 3 vs 4 with no nightkills and two of the four basically being confirmed. We still could have won if bantler had used an action night 3.

I could have tried to be more persuasive on lynching bantler, but once he was copped as town, the game was over.

I feel like the exorcist claim was a necessary and reasonably obvious move to make - we couldn't afford another confirmed townie. If FAOT got lynched, I would have been lynched the next day, but at that stage of the game exorcist for vanilla cult was a good trade for us, especially as I felt mpolo was going to be lynched soon and that would have taken the focus off him.

So well done to bantler for acting townie enough and to the cops for avoiding getting recruited. Maybe I shouldn't have tried to paint/nightkill on night 1, but if those two actions had gone through (paint Boomfrog, kill Lorenz), mafia would have been a good position. Instead, mpolo got lucky in picking me to redirect, Silknor got lynched the next day and greenlover targetted mpolo the next night, so mafia was gone and there were no nightkills. If there were nightkills and the game lasted anywhere near seven days, scum would have won.

And yes FAOT, I had obviously given up by that point, but it was a matter of pride to get you lynched before I did.

by **BoomFrog** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:32 am UTC

I think once town decided to withhold on odd nights cult was pretty screwed. I think the set up would work better if the cops investigations where mandatory. Still another impressively creative set up Lataro. Lots to talk about D1 which I always like.

I think cult deserves an honorary halfwin.

by **mpolo** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:10 pm UTC

It was totally whim redirecting webby on N1. I was quite surprised when the cult had two members.

Greenlover had submitted a kill on me before webby could even talk to him. I guess he wanted to be cult or something…

But after that, it was pretty clear that the cult wasn't going to grow.

Still, the game was fun, just annoying that I was pretty sure that I had lost by Day 3, and the thing stretched on to Day 7… I still hoped for a bizarre lynch condition on Day 5 to save us, but to no avail.

by **greenlover** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:11 pm UTC

mpolo wrote:Greenlover had submitted a kill on me before webby could even talk to him. I guess he wanted to be cult or something…

Actually, I was confident for some reason I cannot recall now that Lornez was the cult leader. That was a pretty dumb assumption, now that I think about it.

by **Lataro** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:25 pm UTC

Yeah.. I think I said it somewhere in discussion, but I think if I ran it again, I would not have allowed to cops to check each other. Withholding powers was fine IMO, since it basically made town vanilla, which is a good balance. If the mafia hadn't been destroyed N2, things would have gone very differently. Overall, with the change to cops, I'd say I am happy with the balance in this setup. Things went pretty bad for anti-town and it was still kinda close, with cult having a few chances to turn the game based on actions. What hurt the mafia the worst N1, was them not using the ability for multiple members to send kills as backup. If one of them in addition to webby had sent a kill, it would have gone though. I was raging pretty hard on the sidelines when the ability to do so was ignored by them that night.

If the cops hadn't been able to continuously re-confirm each other, I think things would have been a lot better at endgame, so with that change, I'd be fairly pleased with the setup.

As an aside, a freaking 7 day game?! Is that some kinda record for a game this small, excluding games that don't have kill powers in them, that is.

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:03 am UTC

The beat-cop can still confirm the detective by both targeting the same target. And endgame is pretty boring if the cops can withhold thier action. I think it'd be more fun for everyone if the cops had to use thier actions, that way the cops don't want to claim.

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