The Great Hippo wrote:On the occasions that there are valid medical reason for circumcision, the point is moot. The examples you cite about 'because their daddies were circumcised' are examples of cosmetic surgery.
I think we may actually be more on the same page than first appeared. Agreed on the first point, entirely. Contrary to what Sourmilk appears to have said earlier on the thread, there are genuine medical conditions where removing the foreskin is a valid treatment. The second I'd only be arguing definitions with you - I've always thought of "cosmetic" surgery to be primarily about aesthetics, whereas I don't think aesthetics are the primary reason for many circumcisions.
And sure, it's fine to believe that we should wait till a kid grows up and tells us they want to get rid of a birthmark. My point is that we already correct birthmarks and other malformations all the time, and a lot of us don't consider them as bad as circumcision--why? Probably because we're obsessed with genitalia.
This, I can definitely agree on. The problem is that I have a hard time considering a foreskin a "malformation", but then again I don't have the weight of several thousand years of culture telling me I should do so.
@Sourmilk: I have attempted to speed-read your posts from the entire thread. I have failed, but I got a fair bit of the way through. Your argument appears to consist of presenting reasons why others are against circumcision, then claiming they are not valid, therefore circumcision is fine. I may have missed it, but have you actually given a compelling reasons why adults should circumcise their children? As opposed to just saying there's no reason not to?
In the previous thread, the posters could essentially be split three ways.
1) Those with a foreskin, posting that their cocks are great and want to keep their foreskin.
2) Those without a foreskin, posting that their cocks are great and they don't see the need for a foreskin.
3) Those without a foreskin, posting that for whatever reason they'd quite like theirs back.
It's the people in group 3 we should really be listening too. The rest of us already have what we want. Oh, and if find someone in group 4 (Those with a foreskin, but want rid of it), let them know they can elect to have that, too.
God-damn it people - every time I try to post this there's 3 new ninja posts!