Secret Santa 2011 - Game Over: Mistletoe and Wine

[Gopher of Pern]

Reading through the last few posts, nothing has really changed my opinion on Adam, although they haven't posted.

Vote: Adam

FAOT, I don't agree with your second reasoning for you vote on AS, as even a non-vote would give us information, although AS probably should have stated that the vote might not count in their post. Your first point does make some sense, but still, there is little way to avoid the wine if indeed AS is telling the truth. Just seems like very weak justification for the vote.

I will be back on after xmas.

[tastelikecoke]

So Let's see.
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the early First votes of players are likely random votes, me assumes. Analyzing that:
roband - votes Adam H, then voting BF? much aggressive, very townie.
mpolo - votes Conman, then voting Adam H? me thinks a wagon vote.
Conman - votes Adam H, not a lot else.
FAOT - votes TLC, a bit out of the blue, but no tells from voting pattern.
webby - votes Vieto, not much random since it's a lurker vote, and he's lurking.
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The rest, who were late on the party though:
GoP - votes AS - lurker vote me guess? I see it's not a wagon vote. Didn't change votes.
AS - votes Adam H - Would seem to be a wagon vote if roband didn't unvote.
b.i.o. - votes Vieto, lurker vote? Changes vote to Adam H, wagonning him.
Adam H - votes AS - lurker vote, and OMGUS too? Or a bandwagon vote? Didn't change votes.
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Vieto didn't vote, hm.
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Based on voting patterns, I was greatly troubled at Adam H, mpolo and b.i.o.'s questionable moves. That is, removing the fluff about justifying their votes, it looks like they're jumping the wagon. And generally lurker votes are made by lurkers. A bit ironic, but this isn't a good tell for them. I'm looking at you guys.

I think the case of mpolo and b.i.o. is suspicious. Adam H is a good lynch target, and and added bonus to b.i.o. making a lurker vote.
FoS: mpolo
FoS: b.i.o.

[mpolo]

I gave the reason for Unvoting Conman a ways before -- his posting improved remarkably with time. The vote on AdamH was desperation to vote for somebody scummy -- I had mentioned that he was bothering me in several points, but I wasn't voting him because of always getting a scummy vibe off of him. I voted simply because time was running out and he was my best (though not great) lead. That's also why I haven't voted for him again today -- I didn't find him to be a super target, just the best at that late hour.

[Misnomer]

Votals:

t1mm01994 (1): b.i.o
Webby (1): Angry Squirrel
Adam H (2): Roband, GoP
Angry Squirrel (1): FAOT

nb: italics is to indicate for my own records that the voter has made a sent role claim (regardless of whether or not it is true)

Deadline is 4pm GMT, Monday 27th December. Remember to send in your night actions before this time.

Have a great Christmas everyone!

[t1mm01994]

I generally agree with the views of Vieto on the thread so far, so not much to edit there.
To contribute to the 2 most discussed persons so far, AS and AH: I think, from what I have seen so far, that they are both town. They're both pretty active, and AS's power sounds really overpowered as scum.
Basically she can avert any lynch on herself with decent probability, so if she was scum she'd win this game with reasonable odds; every lynch would be either on town or on a random person by AS, and every NK would be against town. Scum wins at majority, and that'd be so unbalanced that it wouldn't even be cool.
Besides, to bandwagon her would be REALLY stupid, for every lynch on her would result in a random lynch. Whether she is town or not, she'd be better of randomizing the lynch then getting herself lynched. So slight FoS on FAOT for going towards the random lynch.
As for Adam, all he seems to have done wrong is suggested NL. Oh, and trying to think of ways to break the game. Both of those aren't really scumtells, NL day 1 actually does tell stuff, as long as it isn't by unanimous vote.
That all has passed, so I'm not going to make a case before/against NL, I'm going to make an OMGUS case against b.i.o, for voting ME for lurking while his content is along the tracks of: "I'll vote VieTim for lurking. I'll jump on Adam bandwagon because wagons are fun. He won't die? Back to VieTim it is!" And that is pretty much all. While he is aware of that hypocrisy, it still is hypocrisy, and in this case, combined with the epicly weird opening post: I call scum.
Vote: b.i.o
tl;dr: More love and understanding for AS and AH, OMGUS bio.

[ConMan]

I'm back again, briefly, and posting from my phone. I should be back with regular net access from tomorrow evening. On that note,

Deadline is 4pm GMT, Monday 27th December. Remember to send in your night actions before this time.

Tomorrow is Monday December 26th. Is deadline then or the day after?

Just in case the former, I will quickly state that I think AS is playing aggressively and riskily but not probably scummy, Adam similar but more neutral than town. I think it's worth ignoring him for the moment to focus on anyone else acting unusually.

I can't name a single player who I think is really looking scummy at this point, and so would rather not put down a vote until I get a chance to read the thread through. For now,

Vote No Lynch

I know it's a poor move tactically, but if I really don't make it back before lynch I don't want some random choice of mine contributing to an innocent's death. I will try to get back in time to save the day (if I can).

[mpolo]

While I understand the sentiment, I would see this as a mildly scummy move. If more people start voting No Lynch, I would see it as truly scummy.

Sorry for the "content light". It's Christmas! Merry Christmas everybody!

[Gopher of Pern]

Ok, I'm back, and now have no excuse for not posting. Xmas is over, and I have plenty of holidays! Yay!

Granted, not alot of posting has happened, due to xmas, but there hasn't been anything from Adam since the 21st, and nothing from bio since the 20th.

TLC, I'm not sure what you mean by this statement:

I think the case of mpolo and b.i.o. is suspicious. Adam H is a good lynch target, and and added bonus to b.i.o. making a lurker vote.
FoS: mpolo
FoS: b.i.o.

You're FOS'ing people because Adam is a good lynch target?

Conman, I understand that no-one strikes you as scummy, but a NL now would screw over town significantly. Because of the random lynch yesterday, we didn't get to see the results of everyones feelings. We did have votals, but still not as much information as what we would have had.

[webby]

The rest of the players (briefly):

Conman - New and it's always hard to tell with new players. Nothing strikes me as being inconsistent with newbie town.

FAOT - I don't agree with the vote on AngrySquirrel, but there's not really much else wrong and I'm not going to call him scummy just because I don't agree with him. At least he's being aggressive and putting his thoughts out there.

roband - Sick, so can be excused for the lack of recent content. On day 1, pushed for us to avoid making a rushed lynch decision. That can be town, but equally I know it can be a move by scum to appear town and also get some control over the lynch. So neutral for now.

Adam H - Always looks scummy, I'm not sure whether I'll actually be able to tell when he is scum, but at the moment it looks exactly as he is when he's town.

TLC - Not many posts, but decent analysis. Probably town.

On reflection, I think I'm going to vote for mpolo, mainly because of his vote on Conman, and ignore the fact that his other posts made me think he was town - he's a good and experienced enough player to look town anyway. This can change before deadline.

Vote: mpolo

[tastelikecoke]

Merry Christmas Everyone else in a later timezone!

TLC, I'm not sure what you mean by this statement:

I think the case of mpolo and b.i.o. is suspicious. Adam H is a good lynch target, and and added bonus to b.i.o. making a lurker vote.
FoS: mpolo
FoS: b.i.o.

You're FOS'ing people because Adam is a good lynch target?

I think I might have jumped a little...
mpolo and b.i.o.'s votes are suspicious because their votes are very wagonny. Now, whether mpolo gravely pointed out that he changed to Adam H because it was for the best, his vote would still be a move scum would like to do. I don't see re-voting near the end as a townie move.

b.i.o. as well is included to my FoS because ignoring the post describing his hypocrisy, he's still down to a lurker vote, plus he switched the vote to Adam. Of course, such wagon votes are common in mafia games, but that's when there's a bandwagon, not 2 votes each for 6 lynch candidates.

As for Adam H, I'm saying he's a good lynch target for scum. Muddy, and pretty scummy D1. But voting for him of course wouldn't turn you automatically scummy. What's bothering was mpolo and b.i.o. are in the prime position for what could be a scum's lynch plan. Adam H too, but there are a lot more things that doesn't make sense from him.
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Anyway, where was I. A deadline, I still haven't thought about who to vote for this moment.

[mpolo]

So we're on track for another random lynch if we don't get some consensus. Here are my feelings:

t1mm : too new to the game to get a solid read. I didn't have any real problems with Vieto except for his absence.
Adam H: Hasn't seemed as noticeably scummy today. There is yesterday, of course, and I kind of trust roband, but I'm going to stay away from that.
webby: I didn't really notice him until he voted for me (other than thinking that AS's vote was a reasonable attempt to bring somebody back into the game). He's been quiet in general.
ConMan: Looking better (except for the No Lynch, of course). Thank you for requesting the clarification on the end of day. I hope we get an answer soon…

I'm going to have to come back to this -- got called to fix a network problem…

[Misnomer]

Whoops, my mistake. The deadline is Tuesday, not Monday

[tastelikecoke]

On coming to the deadline, I think I should start laying my vote. I'll go with an Adam H lynch, on pretty much the same principle as mpolo's and b.i.o.'s votes D1, which is ironic since I FoS'd them for the same principle, but I digress, I'm not that British.
vote: Adam H
for muddying the waters, too much to fizz out the discussion during christmas.

[mpolo]

Quick impressions of a few more players:

tastelikecoke: Obviously I don't like his attack on me (or the hypocrisy of the vote on AdamH). On the other hand, I can hardly argue with his reasoning on AdamH, because I used it yesterday.
b.i.o: Has faded into the background a bit for me since he became sane. Unsure.
webby: His analyses seem reasonable. Although I disagree with his saying my vote on Conman was unwarranted. We had a player making some scummy statements, I placed a vote and he improved, and I removed the vote (I left it for a while longer than strictly necessary because I didn't have anywhere else to put it, and there was no danger of a wagon there.)
GopherOfPern: Seems pretty normal, but not really sticking out for anything, which makes me wonder if I'm missing something.
FAOT and AngrySquirrel: Kind of missing since shortly before Christmas.

I'm going to hold off on placing a vote, just because I don't see a good target in the time I have right now.

[Misnomer]

Votals:

t1mm01994 (1): b.i.o
Webby (1): Angry Squirrel
Adam H (3): Roband, GoP, tastelikecoke
Angry Squirrel (1): FAOT
b.i.o (1): t1mm01994
mpolo (1): Webby

No Lynch (1): Conman

nb: italics is to indicate for my own records that the voter has made a sent role claim (regardless of whether or not it is true)

Deadline in three and a half hours!

[mpolo]

Fifteen minutes to deadline. I don't have any real objections to lynching AdamH, but it's not a super double-plus-good target either. I'm going to refrain from voting, knowing that this will almost certainly allow him to be lynched, but at the same time, allowing for a last-minute revelation (if present) to have some possibility of success.

[Misnomer]

There's the deadline! The Lynch and Night will now be processed.

[roband]

ninjad by mod

[Misnomer]

The squirrel had confessed seemingly everything, but yet the day dragged on. Nobody seemed to be able to come to any conclusions about who was guilty. Eventually Roband,Gopher of Pern and tastelikecoke decided amongst themselves that Adam H was scum and needed to die. Pushing their way through the still-arguing crowd, they marched Adam up to the scaffold and placed the noose around his neck. A hush fell upon the crowd, and remembering the events of the previous day, everyone glanced at Angry Squirrel to see if she had any further trickses up her sleeve. However, nothing happened, and so Adam H's executioners gave him a shove, sending him off of the platform and to his death.

Adam H has been lynched. He was the Littlest Elf that Could (Insane cop and naive gravedigger), Town

Dissapointed that they had again failed to lynch scum, the townsfolk trudged back to their own homes. Night once again fell upon Xkcdia... this night, however, was to be far less peaceful...


In the morning, the townsfolk found Old Man Winter standing in the square. Before they could think to question him, he spoke himself:

"Given that it's the season of goodwill, I have decided to do you all a favour", he grumbled, not sounding at all like someone who's just done a favour, "Three of your lot died last night, and to save you the trouble of looking for them, I have brought their bodies here."

He stepped aside, and revealed three bodies laid out side by side in the snow. The townsfolk gathered round to see who had fallen.

ConMan is now dead. He was the Action Hero (Paranoid Paranoid-Gun-Owner Creator), Town
Tastelikecoke is now dead. They were the Precocious Christmas Pageant Actor (Commuter and Jack of all Trades), Town
Roband is now dead. He was Sylar (Role-absorbing killer), Serial Killer

"There's barely half of you left now," said Old Man Winter with a sigh, "You might want to catch the rest of your enemies soon".

Then with a swirl of his cloak, Old Man Winter vanished into thin air, leaving just a few snowflakes in his wake. The townsfolk tried to take in what had happened. They had eliminated a dangerous threat, but with Sylar gone was there anything to stop their other enemies?

It is now Day 3.

7 players remaining, so 4 votes needed to lynch (in theory).

Provisional deadline set for 4pm GMT, January 3rd

[roband]

ninja'd by DEATH

laters

[tastelikecoke]

I'll be on the memorial thread, mourning.

[t1mm01994]

7 players remaining, so 4 votes needed to lynch (in theory).

According to my count, we're 6. I'm surprised we didn't already lose this.

[BoomFrog]

To save the mod some trouble:

Spoiler:

Alive players:
1.Vieto / t1mm01994
2. AngrySquirrel -
3. GopherofPern -
4. b.i.o
5. mpolo -
7. ForAllOfThis -
12. webby

Dead Players:
6. ConMan - Killed N2
8. roband - Killed N2
9. Adam H - Lynched D2
10. tastelikecoke - Killed N2
11. BoomFrog - lynched D1

[ConMan]

Bloody hell.

*dies*

[Misnomer]

7 players remaining, so 4 votes needed to lynch (in theory).

According to my count, we're 6. I'm surprised we didn't already lose this.

The Mod has made no error. There are 7 of you remaining.

[t1mm01994]

Oh, yea, of course. Never mind that. As long as b.i.o still doesn't somehow contribute on the thread, I'm going to keep a FoS out on bio. More content to come, after the break.

[ForAllOfThis]

AS is cleared in my books for telling the truth about her sent role. I don't see any benefit from sharing that information as scum. Although I still dont understand why she used her power D1, it must just have been a mistake.

There was one particular post before the day end (which I didnt have time to write about) that pinged me strongly from T1mm:

I generally agree with the views of Vieto on the thread so far, so not much to edit there.
To contribute to the 2 most discussed persons so far, AS and AH: I think, from what I have seen so far, that they are both town. They're both pretty active, and AS's power sounds really overpowered as scum.

Jumps in to defend AS/AH. We now know AH was town and it looks likely that AS is. I've seen scum attempt to defend players they know are likely to be town and are put under pressure, in order to look townie themselves the next day.

Basically she can avert any lynch on herself with decent probability, so if she was scum she'd win this game with reasonable odds; every lynch would be either on town or on a random person by AS, and every NK would be against town. Scum wins at majority, and that'd be so unbalanced that it wouldn't even be cool.
Besides, to bandwagon her would be REALLY stupid, for every lynch on her would result in a random lynch. Whether she is town or not, she'd be better of randomizing the lynch then getting herself lynched. So slight FoS on FAOT for going towards the random lynch.

How do you know that AS wasn't lying about her role? As I had her down as scum yesterday, I figured she could only use her random lynch every X days and lied about it so that people would be afraid to lynch her. That would make more sense than being straight up honest about it. As you pointed out, a scum that can randomise the lynch everyday would be slightly overpowered, but you didn't consider that she was lying and instead just accepted what she said as truth.

As for Adam, all he seems to have done wrong is suggested NL. Oh, and trying to think of ways to break the game. Both of those aren't really scumtells, NL day 1 actually does tell stuff, as long as it isn't by unanimous vote.

Further defending of a townie under pressure. Again how could have you been so sure that Adam wasn't scum?

That all has passed, so I'm not going to make a case before/against NL, I'm going to make an OMGUS case against b.i.o, for voting ME for lurking while his content is along the tracks of: "I'll vote VieTim for lurking. I'll jump on Adam bandwagon because wagons are fun. He won't die? Back to VieTim it is!" And that is pretty much all. While he is aware of that hypocrisy, it still is hypocrisy, and in this case, combined with the epicly weird opening post: I call scum.
Vote: b.i.o
tl;dr: More love and understanding for AS and AH, OMGUS bio.

Finally an OMGUS vote. To be clear, I dont find this scummy because there is actually some reasoning here. B.i.o has been incredibly lurky (but personally I hate lurker lynches), contributed fuck all and placed a vote without any reasoning. Lurking and voting is never a good sign so I understand the reason for the vote.

Mod: Can b.i.o. be prodded?

To summarise, I didn't like your eagerness to defend two players under pressure and didn't see any good reasoning as to why you thought they were town. Personally I think it was an attempt on your half to look townie (today). Although I hate lurker lynches, I can understand your vote on b.i.o and for that reason don't consider it scummy.

[Off Topic: Sorry I haven't been the most active (as mpolo pointed out). I've been working/busy all over christmas so I'll try to pack in more content when I get a chance to post than I usually do to make up for it.]

[t1mm01994]

Wait. You see me defend townplayers and the first thing you think is: He's scum? No offense, but that's some weird reasoning you got going on there.
As for Adam, how is that ever "so sure"? I suggest there was poor reasoning on the attackers behalf. That's not sure.
For AS, why would she use it on day 1 if the lynch was on the target she intended and it wasn't the truth?
And at the point of my defense, there were 4 votes in the air on them, so no "likely they were town".
And again, you're attacking me for defending people that turn out to be town or likely town?! I tried to win town this game and someone is trying to get me to die?
For that, you get a free strong FoS, as I think that prodding b.i.o will do enough on that case.

[mpolo]

So, we at least got rid of a serial killer last night, which is at least positive. Presumably, one of the deaths came from him, one from scum. Perhaps we have a vig, and perhaps the PGO creator had something to do with the last one. With no flavor to differentiate, this is all just guessing.

I agree with FAOT on the point that AS is looking pretty townie after that. I don't know if I buy t1mm being scum for strongly defending townies without real support. It's possible, but I'd want something more.

Voting for Adam were roband (scum), GoP and tastelikecoke (town). Which shows how useless the "third on a lynch" criterion is without further corroborating evidence. GoP is maybe marginally more likely to be town, but that's similar to the "3rd" rule, so I'm not going to put a lot of stock into that.

[b.i.o]

I am going grocery shopping and will start paying attention to this again afterward.

[AngrySquirrel]

I'm a bit cut off from civilization and won't be able to make all that many posts until the 3rd. Hopefully that won't be a problem.

I must say, so far, FOAT's actions and votes are really not sitting well with me. On day 1, when Conman reviced suspicious looks from several people, FOAT was there, ready to join in. When tlc suggested NL (making himself a very easy target for a vote that didn't require much reasoning), FOAT was there to vote. On day 2 when I painted a giant target on myself making me an easy target, FOAT was there, with some additional not-well thought out reasons. And today, he's picking on Timmeh (that's your name now, deal) and b.i.o. B.i.o being an easy target cause of his lurkiness, and Timmeh, with the reasoning that town wouldn't try to defend town (they do, often). I'm not buying it. FOAT is looking to make cases against people to make himself seem townish, but his suspicions seems to be going to whoever it is easiest to drum up an attack on. I believe it's highly likely that he is scum.

And I like to put my votes where my mouth is.

Vote: ForAllOfThis

[AngrySquirrel]

Oh and while I'm here I might as well post my thoughts on the rest of you as well.

Wild speculations ahoy!

Current scum/town/undecided list:
Scum:
ForAllOfThis

Town:
Timmeh

Undecided:
GopherOfPern
b.i.o
mpolo
webby

I'm fairly sure FOAT is scum by now, and he's probably the only one I've got a real read on. My meta-notes say that FOAT don't like FoSing his team-mates, which would make Timmeh town or at worst independent. Probably town though based on numbers and the fact that we've already gotten rid of one independent. As for the rest, they are horrible horrible people who are very hard to read. Mpolo always seems like scum, webby always seems town and b.i.o always smells independent. As for numbers, I suspect there is either 3 mafia/4 town, or 3 mafia/1 independent/3 town left, but I'm not really sure either way. I just know I wouldn't make a game with this many players and less than 3 mafia (which I suppose is kind of mod-metaing and baaaad so ignore me on this if you wish). If I were to comment on GoP, I'd say I'm leaning on scummy, but I can't quite put my finger on why so I'm at this point chosing to ignore that until I can figure out the reason.

[Gopher of Pern]

Ok, player analysis time:

timmeh: Very active. I can see where FAOT is coming from re: defending townies, I've used the tactic myself. But I do not think it makes you look scummy; it is simply neutral. Everything else about timm is screaming newb town.

AS: If telling the truth of their power, pretty much town. If it was a one-shot randomiser, that could be useful as scum, but really not a good tactic to use day1, unless it was a scum buddy you were protecting, which it wasn't. I'm not inclined to see AS as bad scum, so pretty townie.

Bio: Lurky Mclurkerson. Looking forward to their post.

mpolo: Interesting post at the end of last day. They couldn't have changed the votes at all; but if they were town they should have put a vote on who they thought was most scummy. Being pretty non-committal, which is a slight scum lean.

FAOT: Very aggressive attack against timmeh, but interesting that there is no vote there. AS also has some really good points on FAOT as well. I feel good about them being scum.

Webby: Another Lurker. Did post some content late yesterday though, along with a vote on mpolo. Not a bandwagon vote, so pretty neutral.

Summation:

FAOT
Bio
mpolo
Webby
timmeh
AS

From scum to town. I dont quite want to start a bandwagon on FAOT yet, so I will wait until bio and webby post their thoughts today before placing my vote, because if we are wrong about FAOT, it would be easy for scum to bandwagon and finish the day.

*ninjad by AS*

Wow, people actually make meta-notes?

Just be careful, if you are wrong about FAOT, assuming 3 scum, they can bandwagon.

[Misnomer]

Votals:

FAOT (1): Angry Squirrel

[ForAllOfThis]

I must say, so far, FOAT's actions and votes are really not sitting well with me. On day 1, when Conman reviced suspicious looks from several people, FOAT was there, ready to join in.

I said I found him slightly suspicous, and at one point you re-iterated the same point I made in the post directly before:

Even the large post didn't include anything useful, with the speculation being focused on there being 'one town faction' and not making much sense to me. A lot of the other speculation in the large post had already been echoed by previous players so didn't need to be so large.

Then your post that follows has a quote (the exact same post I was referring to) with the following:

I'm wondering exactly how this is relevant and not just a sidetrack? Or to put it more succinctly "What? "

So your first point that I was 'ready to join in' has no evidence behind it at all, and on top of that, at the same point you were questioning conmans posts yourself. If your going to critise me, at least don't be guilty of the accusation yourself.

When tlc suggested NL (making himself a very easy target for a vote that didn't require much reasoning), FOAT was there to vote.

It didn't require much reasoning because it was scummy. A NL would have been useless at that point, and it was scummy to suggest otherwise. How do you want me to play? Ignoring the obviously scummy things?

On day 2 when I painted a giant target on myself making me an easy target, FOAT was there, with some additional not-well thought out reasons.

But that doesn't mean I immediately think he's scum, if poor play meant scum then I'd be voting for you, because the only thing you've been doing so far in this game is provide distractions and pointless arguements. You're being an tempting lynch-target that scum can jump on without seeming scummy because you're making it so easy to do so.

So you and Adam H were both easy targets yesterday? Sure you didn't want to throw anyone else in that mix and accuse the person voting them to be scum? How come your not convinced GoP is scum for voting Adam H who you considered to be an easy target? Same reasoning and he was second on the "easy-vote" bandwagon.

And today, he's picking on Timmeh (that's your name now, deal) and b.i.o. B.i.o being an easy target cause of his lurkiness, and Timmeh, with the reasoning that town wouldn't try to defend town (they do, often).

At no point did I say bio was scummy. I actually said I considered the vote on him to be not scummy (in my analysis of t1mms post) because it had some reasoning behind it, and votes without any reasoning are what piss me off (and you can put that in your meta notes). I have no read on bio due to a severe lack of posts and would prefer that the mod deal with him if he doesn't respond by the end of the day. My 'picking on t1mm' is just me applying some pressure to see if there are any inconsistencies or holes in his reasoning, which is how I always play. I see no advantage in defending players as town, the only way to catch scum is to try to catch them is by playing aggressively.

Wait. You see me defend townplayers and the first thing you think is: He's scum? No offense, but that's some weird reasoning you got going on there.

Did you not read my post or just not understand my reasoning? Incase it is the latter, my concern is how you were convinced two people were town yesterday when there was no evidence to suggest that they were. You were happy just to accept AS was telling the truth about her role and her sent role. It either means your a cop or scum, and as we know we have at least three scum it's statistically more likely to be the latter. I didn't get a chance to post yesterday to ask you why you thought AS and AH were town, so I'm taking the chance today whilst I have it.

[b.i.o]

FAOT wants the things to die. And by things I mean the people not on his team. However. I am unsure as to which team he is on. The furry woodland creature provides a plausible proffering, and yet I am thinking that the voting of things on which I am thinking the game is resting on without convincing the self that the thing is the right thing is probably the wrong thing to be doinging.

Especially interesting it is to me that FAOT has halted the assault on the Squirrel. Telling the truth about role sent implies town is a nonsensical argument, especially when Squirrel, if town, is such a liability. AS will be forced to use her power again tomorrow or die. As scum this makes her very dangerous, because if she remains alive, town could lose despite voting for the correct banana if she uses her power. If she doesn't, town probably loses because she dies. The only correct play for town today is to lynch the Squirrel if we believe that there is a decent chance of her being scum. The only way to be sure that Squirrel isn't scum is if you are yourself. Therefore, FAOT is scum.

However, the penalty for wrongness is altogether too severe. So your opinions I would like to here.

Also I'm drunk.

[t1mm01994]

Y'all, I'm sorry for the weird timing, but I have to get this off my chest now. In this beautiful season of snow, being together and violently stabbing people with bottles, I've found my love.
I love you, Webby.
I don't know why I do, I think it's your godly looks.. But I just do. As such, I know that your birthday is 9th July, your favorite colour is red, and that's about all interesting information there is to give...
So, sitting here nervous: Do you love me too?

[webby]

Unfortunately, you're wrong tim. Neither of those things are true about me. Just as a random guess, is it perhaps b.i.o who you're looking for?

[webby]

Oh wait, I think I know what happened.

My two guesses at who it would be would be mpolo and b.i.o. Outside chance of FAOT or Conman, who's dead.

[t1mm01994]

But.. Those slight misunderstandings can never be important in a love as big as ours, right? Because it is you I love, after all..

Oh, and bio, good to have you back. Get some sleep, sober up, and post again in all your posting goodness.
So, is there anyone here with a birthday on July 9th?