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ameretrifle wrote:Magic space feudalism is therefore a viable idea.
Proginoskes wrote:Right picture, Goplat, wrong explanation.
ameretrifle wrote:Magic space feudalism is therefore a viable idea.
skeptical scientist wrote:Spoilers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadwiger-Nelson_problem
tomtom2357 wrote:Can anyone prove that four colors are enough/not enough?
tomtom2357 wrote:Yes I've seen that page, but it doesn't give any more results than my findings. I am thinking about using circles of diameter 1, but having the edges be in a different color.
tomtom2357 wrote:What do you mean by not measurable?
tomtom2357 wrote:Yes I've seen that page, but it doesn't give any more results than my findings.
tomtom2357 wrote:So what you're saying is, if the Axiom of Choice is false then no 4-coloring exists...
and therefore we can't construct it if the Axiom of Choice is correct (due to the fact that any such construction would be able to be done without the Axiom of Choice)? I don't like those problems.
tomtom2357 wrote:Thanks, so you could construct one of the colors in the four colouring to appear only when any of the other colors appearing would be contradictory?
Deedlit wrote:Well, I can color area 2 - color quadrant 1 (including the boundary) color 1 except for the center of the square C.
tomtom2357 wrote:Can anyone do it for square of area>2?
tomtom2357 wrote:So those people have basically disproved the four coloring?
ameretrifle wrote:Magic space feudalism is therefore a viable idea.
tomtom2357 wrote:I have a new idea for this problem. With any finite amount of points it is relatively easy to decide how many colors they need.
Now, you can decide how many colors you need to color n points fitting the condition of being in a plane. So let f(n) be the maximum amount of points you need for any set of n points in the plane. It is easy to see that f(1)=1, f(2)=2, f(3)=3, f(4)=3, and f(7)=4, and this function is well defined as there are only a finite number of cases you need to consider. Now if lim n->infinity f(n)>4, then we know that more colors are required, but if lim n->infinity f(n)=4, then we don't know, but we do know that any finite amount of points will only need a four coloring
Proginoskes wrote:Something like this has been known for decades:
If there is a number K such that every finite "unit distance" graph is K-colorable, then the entire plane is K-colorable.
One of Erdos's many results ...
skeptical scientist wrote:Proginoskes wrote:Something like this has been known for decades:
If there is a number K such that every finite "unit distance" graph is K-colorable, then the entire plane is K-colorable.
One of Erdos's many results ...
In fact, I gave a proof earlier in this very thread.
On a semi-related note, does anyone know an algorithm which, given some description of a graph, will decide whether it's embeddable in the unit-distance plane graph?
ameretrifle wrote:Magic space feudalism is therefore a viable idea.
Proginoskes wrote:tomtom2357 wrote:I have a new idea for this problem. With any finite amount of points it is relatively easy to decide how many colors they need.
Because ... ?
(I'm serious here. Coloring is known to be NP-complete.)
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