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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Garm » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:09 pm UTC

Darryl wrote:
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charliepanayi wrote:Did Denver change quarterbacks after the first quarter without telling anyone?


"We've secretly replaced Denver's quarterback with a cleverly disguised Drew Brees. Let's see what happens!"

On your picks for the next round - SF? I've got to think New Orleans can take care of business there.


I'm sticking my neck out somewhat on that one, New Orleans have been on fire for much of the season. But they've never won a playoff game on the road and I have this odd feeling SF wil benefit from going unnoticed for much of the season.

Not to mention that Candlestick has a really good home-field advantage. And not just the random power outages.


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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Adacore » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:36 pm UTC

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charliepanayi wrote:I'm sticking my neck out somewhat on that one, New Orleans have been on fire for much of the season. But they've never won a playoff game on the road and I have this odd feeling SF wil benefit from going unnoticed for much of the season.
Being a Packer fan, I can only hope SF takes care of NO for us. Although, I suspect Brees would have some problem in the snow/cold anyway.

I'm far more worried about the Giants than I am about either the Saints or the 49ers. I'd say we're heavy favourites against either of the teams in the championship game, but with the way Manning is playing, and given how close the Packers' last game vs NY was, we could easily lose that one.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Dark567 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:43 pm UTC

Adacore wrote:I'm far more worried about the Giants than I am about either the Saints or the 49ers. I'd say we're heavy favourites against either of the teams in the championship game, but with the way Manning is playing, and given how close the Packers' last game vs NY was, we could easily lose that one.
Yeah, we don't have nearly the home-field advantage with the Giants, as they also are used to the cold and snow. Brees has traditionally played pretty poorly in increment weather, unlike Rodgers and Manning.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Telchar » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:53 pm UTC

I was reading the other day that on obvious passing downs that Giants are lining up JPP, Osi, Tuck, and Canty across the line. That's a ridiculous front assuming they stay healthy.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby cpt » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:51 pm UTC

Telchar wrote:I was reading the other day that on obvious passing downs that Giants are lining up JPP, Osi, Tuck, and Canty across the line. That's a ridiculous front assuming they stay healthy.

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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Telchar » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:53 pm UTC

Clearly it's Shredder. jeeze...
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Dark567 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:14 pm UTC

Okay because I love data(via advanced NFL stats):
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Dome teams seem to really suck when they play in cold weather, if I were the Niners I would be doing snow dances right now.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Garm » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:20 pm UTC

Or at least rain dances. The bay can get pretty chilly.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby cpt » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:37 pm UTC

Is this for playoffs, regular season, or both?
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Dark567 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:11 pm UTC

cpt wrote:Is this for playoffs, regular season, or both?

Both. Which does bias the data a little bit because the coldest games are generally in the playoffs, so chances are you are going to be playing harder teams and closer games. But I still think its notable data.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby charliepanayi » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:02 pm UTC

Terrific game between SF and New Orleans, utterly topsy-turvy stuff in the closing minutes.

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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Telchar » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:50 pm UTC

Man, I really thought the Giants dline would do more against a banged up Pack oline. It'll be interesting to see the Giants oline, which looked both great and average in spots, play against SF. Should be a good game.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby bentheimmigrant » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:53 pm UTC

Indeed. I find it hard to pick against the 49ers - Harbaugh has proven himself to be a great coach, and the players clearly believe they can win any game. If the defence can force Eli into his Jekyll and Hyde routine (which, as an Eagles fan, I would greatly enjoy) it should be theirs for the taking.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Telchar » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:59 am UTC

Thoughts on the conference championships? I'm taking the Giants over SF and the under, and taking the Ravens over the Pats and the over. I think Falco comes out motivated and the Pats secondary is shit. I love the Giants defense, and they played nearly perfect against the Saints, but I don't see it happening again. I mean, Golston made some superhuman moves in coverage and I'd be surprised if he can duplicate that. I wouldn't surprised if SF wins, but I'm thinking the Giants, with Eli, will make the last play of the game.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby charliepanayi » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:26 pm UTC

Can Baltimore win? Certainly. Will they? I'm not convinced they'll up their performance enough from last weekend. New England to win.
As for other game, I keep changing my mind, but will say SF, just. That one may go to OT.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Dark567 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:58 pm UTC

The only thing that could make this worse is if the Cowboys were still in. The only team I don't hate is the Raven's, and I kinda even hate them because Ray Lewis.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby charliepanayi » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:05 pm UTC

I can understand people hating New England, but Baltimore, the Giants AND SF as well?
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Dark567 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:13 pm UTC

charliepanayi wrote:I can understand people hating New England, but Baltimore, the Giants AND SF as well?
I don't hate Baltimore, just Ray Lewis. But the other three teams? Yes.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby charliepanayi » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:26 pm UTC

Well hard luck then ;)
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Telchar » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:53 am UTC

I had to watch a GB/Pitt superbowl and root for earthquakes last year...so no pity.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby bentheimmigrant » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:45 am UTC

I only hate the Giants, so I'm fine as long as SF wins.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby charliepanayi » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:13 pm UTC

Well that first game should have gone to OT! Baltimore will be kicking themselves when they look back on this game. Really tense battle anyway.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Dark567 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:16 pm UTC

charliepanayi wrote:Well that first game should have gone to OT! Baltimore will be kicking themselves when they look back on this game. Really tense battle anyway.

What a dumb way to end a game. Goddammit.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Cathode Ray Sunshine » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:19 pm UTC

Fucking Ravens.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby bentheimmigrant » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:28 am UTC

charliepanayi wrote:Well that first game should have gone to OT! Baltimore will be kicking themselves when they look back on this game. Really tense battle anyway.

That game should have been over when the WR held onto the ball that was in his hands. You can see him relax in the replay just before the ball is stripped.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Cathode Ray Sunshine » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:38 am UTC

Well, it's gonna be a hard day for the Harbaugh family.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Telchar » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:57 am UTC

They kept talking about how Eli was the first QB to win 5 road playoffs games and that seemed weird to me until I realized that the really great QBs probably don't play too many road playoff games. Great stat showing Eli is almost elite....:P
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby charliepanayi » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:07 am UTC

Even more reason for Baltimore to feel awful today - I saw a stat that since the AFC and NFC were created in 1970, this is only the third time (and the first since the early 80s) that a team has won a championship game after losing the turnover count by two or more. So many missed opportunities. And though the missed FG was an awful kick, Baltimore made a real hash of it all round, they rushed to take it when they didn't need to and why didn't they use their last timeout to give themselves more time?

As for New York, Manning made some great third down conversions. I don't know about 'elite' but he's a great clutch QB, and he's a game away from having two Superbowls, which would be pretty impressive. But those two turnovers really swung it. Anyway, go New York! Never would have seen them getting this far after that abject loss to Washington in December, but playing elimination football for five games in a row now really seems to have brought out the best in them.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby bentheimmigrant » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:44 am UTC

That punt returner must feel like Steve Bartman right now
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Qaanol » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:33 pm UTC

bentheimmigrant wrote:
charliepanayi wrote:Well that first game should have gone to OT! Baltimore will be kicking themselves when they look back on this game. Really tense battle anyway.

That game should have been over when the WR held onto the ball that was in his hands. You can see him relax in the replay just before the ball is stripped.

To be fair, yes, the play you describe should have been a Ravens TD, but earlier, the previous Ravens TD, should not have been one. I refer to the play where the Ravens WR ran along the edge of the field, and held the ball out forward to punch it into the pylon before falling out of bounds, while dragging the Patriots defender behind him by the facemask. There was no penalty called on that play, and apparently the rules don’t allow the assessment of a penalty on the replay, but on that play the WR was gripping the defender’s facemask firmly and dragging him along for several yards.

And going the other way, there was a fairly long throw to, I think Gronkowski, that was ruled incomplete by reason of landing out of bounds. The replay clearly showed each foot did land inbounds cleanly however, but there was no challenge. Of course the Pats lucked out with a call too, when an early drive was on third down and incomplete, but the Ravens were called for a penalty that gave an automatic 1st down. As far as I know that one was the correct call, but still the Ravens should’ve known better and it would’ve prevented the Pats from getting in range for that first field goal.

In any case, there was bad officiating on at least 3 plays, and it cut both ways. I really wish there were some mechanism whereby the booth officials could overrule the officials on the field about things coaches are not allowed to challenge, like non-called penalties, and wrongly-called plays of the non-reviewable sort, when replays plainly show the call on the field was incorrect.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby cpt » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:36 pm UTC

charliepanayi wrote:Well that first game should have gone to OT! Baltimore will be kicking themselves when they look back on this game. Really tense battle anyway.


I see what you did there.

I'm really glad that CBS decided to use the 5 minutes after the kick to show the horrified expressions of the entire Raven sideline in slow motion as they realize the kick was wide.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby bentheimmigrant » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:48 pm UTC

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charliepanayi wrote:Well that first game should have gone to OT! Baltimore will be kicking themselves when they look back on this game. Really tense battle anyway.

That game should have been over when the WR held onto the ball that was in his hands. You can see him relax in the replay just before the ball is stripped.

To be fair, yes, the play you describe should have been a Ravens TD, but earlier, the previous Ravens TD, should not have been one. I refer to the play where the Ravens WR ran along the edge of the field, and held the ball out forward to punch it into the pylon before falling out of bounds, while dragging the Patriots defender behind him by the facemask. There was no penalty called on that play, and apparently the rules don’t allow the assessment of a penalty on the replay, but on that play the WR was gripping the defender’s facemask firmly and dragging him along for several yards.

And going the other way, there was a fairly long throw to, I think Gronkowski, that was ruled incomplete by reason of landing out of bounds. The replay clearly showed each foot did land inbounds cleanly however, but there was no challenge. Of course the Pats lucked out with a call too, when an early drive was on third down and incomplete, but the Ravens were called for a penalty that gave an automatic 1st down. As far as I know that one was the correct call, but still the Ravens should’ve known better and it would’ve prevented the Pats from getting in range for that first field goal.

In any case, there was bad officiating on at least 3 plays, and it cut both ways. I really wish there were some mechanism whereby the booth officials could overrule the officials on the field about things coaches are not allowed to challenge, like non-called penalties, and wrongly-called plays of the non-reviewable sort, when replays plainly show the call on the field was incorrect.

I thought the Gronkowski call was good - he didn't have possession until after the first foot was up again, and then stepped out.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby charliepanayi » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:55 pm UTC

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charliepanayi wrote:Well that first game should have gone to OT! Baltimore will be kicking themselves when they look back on this game. Really tense battle anyway.


I see what you did there.

I'm really glad that CBS decided to use the 5 minutes after the kick to show the horrified expressions of the entire Raven sideline in slow motion as they realize the kick was wide.


The pun was unintentional actually :D
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby XTCamus » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:05 pm UTC

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charliepanayi wrote:Well that first game should have gone to OT! Baltimore will be kicking themselves when they look back on this game. Really tense battle anyway.

That game should have been over when the WR held onto the ball that was in his hands. You can see him relax in the replay just before the ball is stripped.

To be fair, yes, the play you describe should have been a Ravens TD, but earlier, the previous Ravens TD, should not have been one. I refer to the play where the Ravens WR ran along the edge of the field, and held the ball out forward to punch it into the pylon before falling out of bounds, while dragging the Patriots defender behind him by the facemask. There was no penalty called on that play, and apparently the rules don’t allow the assessment of a penalty on the replay, but on that play the WR was gripping the defender’s facemask firmly and dragging him along for several yards.

And going the other way, there was a fairly long throw to, I think Gronkowski, that was ruled incomplete by reason of landing out of bounds. The replay clearly showed each foot did land inbounds cleanly however, but there was no challenge. Of course the Pats lucked out with a call too, when an early drive was on third down and incomplete, but the Ravens were called for a penalty that gave an automatic 1st down. As far as I know that one was the correct call, but still the Ravens should’ve known better and it would’ve prevented the Pats from getting in range for that first field goal.

In any case, there was bad officiating on at least 3 plays, and it cut both ways. I really wish there were some mechanism whereby the booth officials could overrule the officials on the field about things coaches are not allowed to challenge, like non-called penalties, and wrongly-called plays of the non-reviewable sort, when replays plainly show the call on the field was incorrect.

I thought the Gronkowski call was good - he didn't have possession until after the first foot was up again, and then stepped out.

I agree the Gronkowski call was good, or too close to be worthy of a challenge anyway, but totally disgree that the Ravens non-TD call was incorrect... err, what I mean is that having the ball in his hands and starting to relax has nothing to do with the rules which say a pass is not complete until both feet are down after gaining complete possesion of the ball. Regarding the facemask non-call, I found it quite amusing when during the replays the camera angles began to show better and better views of this illegal and dangerous stunt, which made the announcers look more and more ridiculous for their refusal to even acknowledge it.

Speaking of Gronk, after watching him all year making acrobatic shoe-string catches on one play, and then bulldozing multiple attempted tacklers on the next play, all I can say is that if Gronk's high ankle sprain allows him to play at even 80% effectiveness, the Pats win the Superbowl.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby bentheimmigrant » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:25 am UTC

You're getting my tone wrong there... The WR relaxed and that allowed the ball to be stripped - You catch the game winning TD, you hold onto it tight.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby juststrange » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:53 pm UTC

I think Lee Evans best bet would have been not bothering to take another step. His one foot came up just as he was getting a hold on the ball, he planted his second foot solid (1 foot down) and then he attempted to get the first foot back down to make it a valid reception. The better thing (in my mind) seeing as how he was already in the endzone, would have been to immediately turn and fall over ontop of the ball. Don't bother trying to stand, just fall over. Win some, lose some. Flacco still played very well, much better than I think a lot of folks on the national level would have given him credit for going into it.


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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby XTCamus » Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:28 am UTC

Nobody asked me of course, but if Gronkowski is completely ineffective, then Welker and Hernandez just need to be themselves, but Brady will need to play the game of his life. If he does and the Pats win, he will strengthen, though not quite cement, his case as the greatest QB of all time. So, yeah, you could say there's a lot on the line here.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby Telchar » Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:12 pm UTC

I was going through each team by position and the only positions I give the Patriots an edge in are QB, TE, and Oline. Important positions, but enough to win you a SB? I mean, the fact that Jullian Edelman is playing corner speaks volumes.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby charliepanayi » Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:57 pm UTC

Go Giants! I think it'll be close whatever happens, the Patriots will be pretty hungry to avenge four years ago. Can't wait anyway.
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Re: Are you Ready for some "Football"!!! NFL Discussion

Postby XTCamus » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:40 am UTC

Congrats to the Giants.

Telchar, your points were solid, and Charlie you were spot on, it's hard to get any closer than that... And to my point, would a healthy Gronk have allowed that interception? You tell me. Hell, he may have even have dove for and came away with that Hail Mary pass that Hernandez tried to volley to him... if only, if only.

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