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SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Qaanol » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:37 pm UTC

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Robert Barnes wrote:The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Monday that police must obtain a search warrant before using a GPS device to track criminal suspects. But the justices left for another day larger questions about how technology has altered a person’s expectation of privacy.

Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that the government needed a valid warrant before attaching a GPS device to the Jeep used by D.C. drug kingpin Antoine Jones, who was convicted in part because police tracked his movements on public roads for 28 days.

“We hold that the government’s installation of a GPS device on a target’s vehicle, and its use of that device to monitor the vehicle’s movements, constitutes a ‘search’ ” under the Fourth Amendment’s protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, Scalia wrote.

All justices agreed with the outcome of the case, which affirmed a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit that said evidence of Jones’ s frequent trips to a stash house where drugs and nearly $1 million in cash were found must be thrown out.

The police had obtained a warrant for GPS surveillance of Jones, but it expired before they attached the device to his car.

But there was a significant split on the court about whether Monday’s decision went far enough.

Scalia’s majority opinion, joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Sonia Sotomayor, said the electronic surveillance, if achieved without having to physically trespass on Jones’s property, may have been “an unconstitutional invasion of privacy.”

But Scalia added: “The present case does not require us to answer that question.”

It was that question — society’s expectation of privacy in a modern world — that had animated the court’s consideration of the case. In an intense hour-long oral argument last November, the Big Brother of George Orwell’s novel “1984” was referenced six times.

The justices pondered a world in which satellites can zero in on an individual’s house, cameras can record the faces at a crowded intersection and individuals can instantly announce their every movement to the world on Facebook. They wondered about the government placing tracking devices in overcoats or on license plates.

Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. said the decision also should have settled some of those questions instead of deciding a case about a “21st-century surveillance technique” by using “18th-century tort law.”

“The court’s reasoning largely disregards what is really important (the use of a GPS for the purpose of long-term tracking) and instead attaches great significance to something that most would view as relatively minor (attaching to the bottom of a car a small, light object that does not interfere in any way with the car’s operation),” Alito wrote.

Alito’s point was that it was the lengthy GPS surveillance of Jones itself that violated the Fourth Amendment and that “the use of longer term GPS monitoring in investigations of most offenses impinges on expectations of privacy.”

“For such offenses,” he wrote, “society’s expectation has been that law enforcement agents and others would not — and indeed, in the main, simply could not — secretly monitor and catalogue every single movement of an individual’s car for a very long period.”

The key to the court’s more narrow decision on the case seemed to be Sotomayor. She praised Alito’s “incisively” written concurrence but indicated it might not have gone far enough.

“People reveal a great deal of information about themselves to third parties in the court of carrying out mundane tasks,” Sotomayor wrote. Perhaps people come to see a “diminution of privacy” as inevitable, Sotomayor said.

“I for one doubt that people would accept without complaint the warrantless disclosure to the government of a list of every Web site they had visited in the last week, or month, or year.”

But, she said, “resolution of these difficult questions” is unnecessary because she agreed with the majority that the government’s “physical intrusion on Jones’ Jeep” supplies a narrower avenue to decide the case.

The case is United States v. Jones.


I’m glad the 4th amendment is getting at least a modicum of respect, and I hope the law requiring that airlines transport only passengers who agree to be searched gets struck down soon too.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Dauric » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:50 pm UTC

I think it's a different case, but I'll link a similar thread we've discussed here just for reference.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Роберт » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:28 pm UTC

A unanimous, good decision from the supreme court? WTH? w00t.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby juststrange » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:57 pm UTC

Only half unanimous. 5 say its wrong because tracking the car constituted a "search", the other 4 say its because it violates an expectation of privacy. Its nice they can all agree its bad, its interesting they don't agree on the why its bad.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Dauric » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:11 pm UTC

juststrange wrote:Only half unanimous. 5 say its wrong because tracking the car constituted a "search", the other 4 say its because it violates an expectation of privacy. Its nice they can all agree its bad, its interesting they don't agree on the why its bad.


It's not as much "why" as it is the scope of the case they wanted to deal with. The 5 that decided it constituted a search ruled on the narrow issue of whether placing a tracking device was a legal 'search'. Alito and the other 3 dissenters wanted the court to rule on the broader principle of the matter that would have applied to different circumstances.

Basically they agreed the tracking device required a valid warrant, but 5 of the 9 voted to kick related issues down the road.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Chen » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:11 pm UTC

I'm curious about something. Would police need a warrant to constantly follow someone around? Would it be illegal without a warrant to have disguised police officers just following this person around all day?
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Qaanol » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:21 pm UTC

Chen wrote:I'm curious about something. Would police need a warrant to constantly follow someone around? Would it be illegal without a warrant to have disguised police officers just following this person around all day?

If the officers remain on public property, or on private property where they have permission to go, then it’s perfectly legal. You yourself as a private citizen can follow people around too, as long as you don’t trespass.

Of course, if the person being followed feels threatened by it, they can ask a judge for a restraining order. And unfortunately, the odds of getting a restraining order against a cop who has not physically or verbally threatened you are just about nil (and even if they have assaulted you, the odds are still pretty low, and good luck getting it enforced even if it does get issued), whereas it’s entirely possible that a civilian would get slapped with that same restraining order for stalking.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Tirian » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:31 pm UTC

It's chilling to see how many of the justices can't let go of originalism. It seems like the government can commit atrocities against liberty as long as it's something that wouldn't have occurred to the eighteenth century statesmen who wrote the Constitution.

More than that, it's gravely disappointing that they refused to offer guidance on the larger question. There is a war on domestic terror planning happening as we speak. How long are the Supremes planning on waiting before they tell the law enforcement and prosecution forces on the front lines what the rules of engagement are? If they wait a year or two, that's just going to be that much more potentially inadmissible evidence and unprosecutable cases piling up.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Xeio » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:54 pm UTC

Tirian wrote:It's chilling to see how many of the justices can't let go of originalism. It seems like the government can commit atrocities against liberty as long as it's something that wouldn't have occurred to the eighteenth century statesmen who wrote the Constitution.
Huh? You're saying this was a bad decision?
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Tirian » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:10 pm UTC

Xeio wrote:
Tirian wrote:It's chilling to see how many of the justices can't let go of originalism. It seems like the government can commit atrocities against liberty as long as it's something that wouldn't have occurred to the eighteenth century statesmen who wrote the Constitution.
Huh? You're saying this was a bad decision?


This one defendant got an appropriate result in an individual case, to the degree that this was a binary choice of allowing the data versus not allowing it. A good decision would have said that you can't track someone's location with a series of fake cell phone towers without a warrant either, because people have a reasonable expectation of locational privacy from just having their cell phones being turned on but not receiving calls. That should also be an easy decision with a sufficient amount of precedent, but instead the Roberts court decided against providing direction to the folks who are currently building court cases against suspected domestic terrorists. In my view, that is a bad decision and they don't deserve a full day's pay for just ruling that you're not allowed to stick a bug on any private property without a warrant.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Dark567 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:13 pm UTC

Роберт wrote:A unanimous, good decision from the supreme court? WTH? w00t.
Actually, most SCOTUS decisions are unanimous or at least with a large majority. Generally the only cases that get the media attention are the most controversial and the most likely to be split. Only about 20% of SCOTUS cases are 5-4 decisions. Also worth noting, is that it has sat at about 20% since the 60's. Today's court isn't really any more partisan then in the (recent)past.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Dauric » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:20 pm UTC

Tirian wrote:
Xeio wrote:
Tirian wrote:It's chilling to see how many of the justices can't let go of originalism. It seems like the government can commit atrocities against liberty as long as it's something that wouldn't have occurred to the eighteenth century statesmen who wrote the Constitution.
Huh? You're saying this was a bad decision?


This one defendant got an appropriate result in an individual case, to the degree that this was a binary choice of allowing the data versus not allowing it. A good decision would have said that you can't track someone's location with a series of fake cell phone towers without a warrant either, because people have a reasonable expectation of locational privacy from just having their cell phones being turned on but not receiving calls. That should also be an easy decision with a sufficient amount of precedent, but instead the Roberts court decided against providing direction to the folks who are currently building court cases against suspected domestic terrorists. In my view, that is a bad decision and they don't deserve a full day's pay for just ruling that you're not allowed to stick a bug on any private property without a warrant.


In other words Tiran's siding with the dissenting 4 and Justice Alito's closing remarks that the court should have ruled on the broader concept in the light of modern technology, like cell-phones, spy satellites, reconnaissance drones etc. , as opposed to the narrow ruling of GPS trackers based on property rights.

Essentially the court ruled on tracking devices, and -only- tracking devices. Alito wanted the ruling to address whether technological surveillance of any kind required a warrant to engage in.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Chen » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:03 pm UTC

Qaanol wrote:If the officers remain on public property, or on private property where they have permission to go, then it’s perfectly legal. You yourself as a private citizen can follow people around too, as long as you don’t trespass.

Of course, if the person being followed feels threatened by it, they can ask a judge for a restraining order. And unfortunately, the odds of getting a restraining order against a cop who has not physically or verbally threatened you are just about nil (and even if they have assaulted you, the odds are still pretty low, and good luck getting it enforced even if it does get issued), whereas it’s entirely possible that a civilian would get slapped with that same restraining order for stalking.


This is what I suspected and I also suspect it leads to why they didn't want to rule on the larger issue. They had to trespass to plant the device so it makes perfect sense to throw it out in that case. Imagine they had used some sort of satellite or UAV instead. Would this have been a problem? If an officer can sit in a van and watch the house, what logical reason would it be that a UAV is different? Would it be different if the UAV was feeding the signal live to a screen someone was watching vs if it was just recording everything for later viewing?
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Malice » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:20 pm UTC

Chen wrote:Imagine they had used some sort of satellite or UAV instead. Would this have been a problem? If an officer can sit in a van and watch the house, what logical reason would it be that a UAV is different? Would it be different if the UAV was feeding the signal live to a screen someone was watching vs if it was just recording everything for later viewing?


It would be different, actually. One of the precepts we should take into account as technology is increasingly integrated with police duties is the notion of artificially limiting the amount of surveillance the police can have running at any given time, and an excellent way to do that is to make sure that there's a warm body on the other end of the tracking system, whether that system is "plant a tracker on the car" or "follow them in an unmarked vehicle". Otherwise you edge toward the Panopticon, where police start surveilling anybody who looks suspicious on a whim because why not, trackers are a dime a dozen and we can record all the info so next time there's a crime we can see who's in the area.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Chen » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:45 pm UTC

Malice wrote:It would be different, actually. One of the precepts we should take into account as technology is increasingly integrated with police duties is the notion of artificially limiting the amount of surveillance the police can have running at any given time, and an excellent way to do that is to make sure that there's a warm body on the other end of the tracking system, whether that system is "plant a tracker on the car" or "follow them in an unmarked vehicle". Otherwise you edge toward the Panopticon, where police start surveilling anybody who looks suspicious on a whim because why not, trackers are a dime a dozen and we can record all the info so next time there's a crime we can see who's in the area.


I wasn't intending to suggest it wasn't different, sorry for the miscommunication. I was wondering where the line we draw is. Having someone monitor the activity does make sense in limiting it. Would it be ok if one officer was watching multiple feeds though? Would we want to limit it in some other way (no more than 3 feeds at a time or some such)?

Personally I don't have much of a problem with the cameras everywhere public type approach. My expectation of privacy in public is pretty close to nil. That said others have a big problem with such things. Its not a simple decision to make, and it certainly makes sense that the Supreme Court did not rule on it for this case in particular.
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Ibid » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:23 am UTC

This is dragging towards the general philosophy of law, but there is an important point to be made there, in that most people when they think of these sorts of laws will immediately jump towards major crimes like murder. In the case of murder it becomes simple, we tend to allow for warrants more readily to catch such a perpetrator. However, most cases are NOT of that type. The question should not be "are we comfortable with this being used for an indictable offence?" but rather "are we comfortable with this being used to prosecute a summary crime?" (Chrome doesn't seem to have that in it's dictionary). The reason being that the warrant system is better suited to distinguishing between cases. Obviously you don't want to overburden the warrant system, but this seems like a clear case of overkill for a summary crime, but probably admissible for a major indictable offence.

On the details of this particular case, the SCOTUS blog has a good breakdown of what happened. Interestingly that blog takes the opposite view of Dauric, arguing that the 5 were dealing with the issue more decisively (because a search requires a warrant), while the 4 were only against long-term monitoring (no search requires no warrant, but long term violates Fourth Amendment), although against such in a broader sense. So more a matter of decisiveness on this area versus broader interpretation of this decision.

It remains to be seen what the upshot will be, but that is normal in common law.

EDIT: Given that this is a U.S. case, replace "indictable offence" with "Felony or misdemeanor" (which Chrome does not recognise) and replace "summary offence" with "Infraction or summary offence".
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Re: SCOTUS 9-0: GPS trackers require a warrant (yay!)

Postby Kaiyas » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:32 am UTC

I think the majority opinion is a good call in terms of jurisprudence-- not deciding more than is necessary. I do, however, want to see some cases involving uses of new technology that Alito and Sotomayor allude to brought before the Court.
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