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by **mpolo** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:56 pm UTC

How late in the night cycle did your team make the decision -- that is, did scum have a reasonable amount of time to react to your being chosen? If there wasn't a lot of real time, they might not have had time to try something fishy with a roleblock/redirect of roband. If there was more time, we would have to think about motives.

If scum has a roleblock or redirect, and knew that roband was carrying out the block in time to react to it, I could see guaranteeing that that block isn't going onto the scum killer. If that is the case, then the Hufflepuffs almost certainly blocked a kill -- making the person they protected a guaranteed townie. That's all predicated on an "if", though.

by **Adam H** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:25 pm UTC

fearless: if you are killed and come back town, who should we lynch? Give names, not "one of the griffs", because that doesn't help.

fearless and az: Az did not have any clue whatsoever who was going to be copped last night, correct?

If doctors blocked the kill, then they ALL are pretty townie since it was public knowledge within their house that FAOT was being doctored.

Thinking more about the redirector possibility: I was assuming that this role would, for example, choose roband and make them target someone else. But instead of a redirector, what if scum had a busdriver power. A bus driver switches two players around so that actions that target player A go to player B instead, and vice versa. Usually the two players are aware they were swapped, but not always. So scum might have switched town-fearless with the scum that attempted the NK. Maybe they were hoping that fearless or the scum would be copped, in which case it would have come back with a wrong result. But it backfired because they got roleblocked. If this were the case, they wouldn't necessarily know who any of the houses were targetting. That's probably a pretty obscure possibility, since I'm not sure I've ever seen a bus driver on this forum, and they are usually town roles.

by **Azrael001** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:07 pm UTC

I did not receive the result. I did know that fearless wanted to investigate Roband, and I was fine with that.

by **fearless** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:11 pm UTC

Az & I both agreed to target rob, and this decision was made on day 1 of night 1. But we forgot to designate a role-carrier and GoP had to remind us. So then Az voted for me to do the action on Jan 26th and I agreed.

I already said gryffindor and slytherin, but not rob and not mpolo. I don't know who's in those two houses so I can't give names

by **roband** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:18 pm UTC

It was about mid way through the night that I was chosen to perform the RB.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:44 pm UTC

fearless wrote:If I investigated az, I'll know his role but he won't know mine. We would have to spend another day investigating me before we have two confirmed masons. Seemed like a waste. I'm pretty sure az is innocent, I know I am, and there are more guilty looking people out there.

You wouldn't have needed to spend another day investigating the other person. Investigate one housemate and you get a scum/town result. If it's scum, announce in-thread, they are lynched and you are indirectly confirmed as town by announcing who scum is. If they are town, you could vote for them to have the power every night and it stays in towns hands.

I'll be honest, the more I look at this situation the more I suspect an Az & Fearless scum team. They both voted for Lataro yesterday (easy bandwagon, would give them unmonitored daychat and complete control of a cop). Today, Az doesn't want fearless to be lynched because 'he doesn't want all his eggs in one basket'. It's pretty clear that you'd have to use the power tonight anyway Az, as fearless can't be trusted, so the eggs are already in one basket. Finally, I find not using the cop last night to clear one of the two of you abit of a suspicous move.

I did get a minor ping from one of my housemates in the PM's last night. We had to vote for someone to carry out the doctor, and the person we voted for was reluctant to carry out the doctor incase me and the other housemate thought they were scum. There was a slight misunderstanding because they thought that we only voted on who carried out the doctor, and not the target. Still I thought it was suspicous and even mentioned so in PM's to both housemates. I wasn't sure how to mention it in thread without revealing the housemate, but if I see anything more suspicous from them I will mention it so we can decide if it's worth revealing that player or not.

by **fearless** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:10 pm UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:
fearless wrote:If I investigated az, I'll know his role but he won't know mine. We would have to spend another day investigating me before we have two confirmed masons. Seemed like a waste. I'm pretty sure az is innocent, I know I am, and there are more guilty looking people out there.

You wouldn't have needed to spend another day investigating the other person. Investigate one housemate and you get a scum/town result. If it's scum, announce in-thread, they are lynched and you are indirectly confirmed as town by announcing who scum is. If they are town, you could vote for them to have the power every night and it stays in towns hands.
.

And if a mafia carried out the investigation, he could easily lie about his result. It would be one person's word against another. I didn't see the benefit of investigating Az because I felt rob was more fishy. I certainly didn't see the benefit of Az investigating me because i know I'm town. Although in retrospect Az should have investigated me so that all this bullshit can be avoided.

Just because him and I voted together doesn't mean anything. We're in the same house - we're essentially masons. Do you go about questioning every mason group like you're doing with us? o_O

by **fearless** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:20 pm UTC

Actually never mind. I forgot that once a player is lynched his/her status is announced. I didn't think about that because this is the first game I've played where people's roles aren't kept secret until the very end.

by **TheSecondShadow** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:29 pm UTC

Vote: fearless

This more discussion I waited to vote for is going in circles.

roband there are several reasons to bus fearless in place of you, but I'll digress for now.

by **roband** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:35 pm UTC

I'm more experienced, sure - but people have always been able to read me in most situations. If I was scum with fearless, I'd be telling her to ride the newbie train to endgame and bus me.

by **mpolo** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:24 pm UTC

The temptation to vote is getting to be quite strong indeed. It is still possible that fearless is town, assuming there are scum powers, and that one of those is a redirect or a block. However, the whole tenor of fearless's statements -- persecution complex? Most of us think that at least one person in our houses is scum. You seem convinced that we should unequivocally accept that your house is scum free?

Self votes are more often from frustrated scum than frustrated town in my experience, but Lataro did just do the frustrated town thing.

Summary: fearless hasn't been helpful and her reported activity/results doesn't gibe with roband's. We have to assume that scum knew that roband would be blocking somebody, though. It is relatively likely that they also knew which Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff/Slytherin was carrying out their action, likely for 3 of the houses.

Question for FAOT: You don't have to claim who doctored or whom they doctored, but was the decision of whom to doctor made jointly, or independently by your designee? I ask to gauge the "danger" that your doctor posed toward scum compared to the block, the cop, and our power (which is not a redirect, for whoever suggested that idea).

by **Azrael001** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:17 pm UTC

I lost a post but what it said was something like this:

I did not investigate fearless last night as I wasn't very suspicious of her. Moreover without doctor support investigating her would be suicide if she was in fact scum. That is, she would know that I was investigating her, and tell her scum buddies, and kill me before I could report.

Now In regards to Roband throwing fearless under a bus, it only makes sense if it was a decision made today, and that communication between scum last night was nearly non-existent.

With mpolo's last post, I lose the last vestiges of hope that it was Slitherin that redirected Roband. Thus I have no recourse but to

Vote: fearless

If fearless turns up town, my investigations are useless, as it means that there is someone who can redirect that is probably scum, and I can have no way of knowing if I am investigating who I think I am. Just another reason why I didn't want to be alone with my power.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:32 pm UTC

mpolo wrote:Question for FAOT: You don't have to claim who doctored or whom they doctored, but was the decision of whom to doctor made jointly, or independently by your designee? I ask to gauge the "danger" that your doctor posed toward scum compared to the block, the cop, and our power (which is not a redirect, for whoever suggested that idea).

It was a joint decision to who we should doctor and I was the target (this I've already made public). I couldn't doctor myself so one of the housemates had to do it. At that point I had no reason to pick one over another so flipped a coin, voted me as the target and the other person as the doctor.

by **Gopher of Pern** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:37 pm UTC

Eep!

Day 2 is over (in fact, it should have been over ages ago. When fearless hammered themselves. I missed how many votes had been cast. I will count everything up til the last vote (Azrael's) however)

Fearless has been lynched. Night 2 is now underway. Have your actions in ASAP. Night will end on Tuesday 7th February, 7pm ADST.

House points will come when I get home.

by **Gopher of Pern** » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:42 am UTC

Votals:
Fearless: 7 (Roband, Adam H, greenlover, mostlynormal, fearless, thesecondshadow, Azrael)

House Points:
Gryffindor - 82 points
Hufflepuff - 45 points
Ravenclaw - 88 points
Slytherin - 66 points

Chandani has been modprodded, if they do not respond by the start of day 3, they will be replaced.

by **Gopher of Pern** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:20 am UTC

48 hours 40 minutes until the night ends.
Chandani has responded to the modprod.

by **Gopher of Pern** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:37 am UTC

Wow, who knew boarding school would be so rough? fearless seemed to have a bit of a breakdown, noone believed them. Accusations were flung about them being part of the conspiracy, and nothing fearless said convinced anyone otherwise. The students decided to report fearless to the Headmaster, who told everyone that they were being silly, that there is no conspiracy, and fearless is a real student. In tears, fearless sent an owl to their parents, requesting to be taken from the school. The next morning they were gone.

Fearless was lynched. They were a Ravenclaw student.

The next morning, there was a commotion over at the Slytherin table. It seems one of the students had disappeared during the night. No one knows what happened, but already rumours are rife that the conspiracy had something to do it.

Thesecondshadow was killed. They were a Slytherin student.

As everyone finished their breakfast, there was a menacing tension in the air. Nothing bad had happened to the school since the days of Harry Potter. It seems like some new evil is here. The new students, bold as they are, are determined to find out who, or what it is.

9 Players alive, 5 votes to lynch.

Day ends in 7 days, ending Tuesday 14th February, 7pm ADST.

House Points:
Gryffindor - 82 points
Hufflepuff - 45 points
Ravenclaw - 88 points
Slytherin - 66 points

by **roband** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:47 am UTC

Well.. I look bad. Confidently voting twice for players who ended up town.

Have we lynched any scum yet? If there are 4 of them, we're at LYLO. Which sucks.

I've been wrong this whole game, I will try to look back and reanalyse, but I don't have much hope.

by **t1mm01994** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:16 am UTC

I think we had discussed earlier (multiple times) that 4 scum would be horrendously overpowered... So no LYLO yet. But this makes last night really awkward. I don't know whether roband is still a good representative for our house, but I'm a fellow Gryffindor, and I can confirm that he did use his roleblock on fearless day 1.
You may ask, why do you out yourself now, after being so opposed to houseclaiming before? Because everyone with basic puzzling skills and enough want to actually go and count posts already knows who is in what house. I myself have a comprehensive list in my excel file. Even without that, day 1 roband stopped posting, I kept on posting a lot, and the house points still rose like a hot air balloon. My point: I'm not really telling you anything new here.

So, where do we go now?

by **ForAllOfThis** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:13 pm UTC

I'm curious as to Azraels cop results for today before we jump into discussion. We protected him last night (again, it was a public in-house vote for doctor and target). Looking at the results from N1 again it must mean that scum either targetted me or withheld their kill to screw with us, as it doesn't look like robands roleblock stopped the kill.

I'm not sure what to think about roband at the moment, if he is scum he would have to be a godfather (only way to explain the townie result fearless got) and I'm not even sure if a godfather exists in this game. I was suspecting a T1m - Fearless scum buddy relationship yesterday and hoping it was validated on Fearless's death, but now I'm not even sure about T1mm because fearless flipped town. Argh.

by **roband** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:06 pm UTC

Yep, I blocked Tim last night (despite him being my teammate) in an attempt to stop the NK.

Basically, I couldn't lose. If Tim is town, he has no action - so I wouldn't accidentally be blocking a doctor or some unknown action (Hufflepuffs). If he is scum, which I kinda suspect - then I had a chance of blocking the kill.

by **mpolo** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:13 pm UTC

This is strange. I was really convinced that TheSecondShadow (my housemate) was the scum (if any) in our house. As a result, I didn't vote for him to carry out our action. The other member used the action against the person that he said we shouldn't use it against -- which sounds like a legitimate attempt to keep scum from knowing who our target was, but I may be biased because I am pretty convinced of his towniness. I haven't heard anything from the other member yet as to his results, so can't provide anything more from the night at this point.

by **mpolo** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:16 pm UTC

EBWOP:

ForAllOfThis wrote:I'm not even sure if a godfather exists in this game.

We do have the vague "there may be some mafia powers" -- passive abilities like godfather would be good candidates for those.

by **roband** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:20 pm UTC

I feel like I should reply to that, but I don't want to create wine.

I'm not scum, but I feel like Godfather is a possible power for scum - seems logical at least, with a cop power active.

by **Adam H** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:47 pm UTC

Are alignments (scum/town) revealed upon death?

Eh, it's worth asking...

I reread secondshadow's posts. I don't think scum had a reason to kill him other than maybe they knew he wasn't healed/RBed/Slytherined. He clearly wasn't ON to them - his most accusatory post suggested that that scum-roband was bussing scum-fearless. So I don't think there's much to go on. He did say a while back that his teammate made a scummy suggestion and then acted on it. He didn't bring it up again so I'm not sure if he still had suspicions. I don't have a problem with mpolo sharing that with the group, anyways.

I think the player that looks worst right now is Az. He apparently knew fearless was town, which is typically a pretty big scumtell.

by **Azrael001** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:44 pm UTC

I investigated mpolo. He came up town. Having decent instincts about who is town is not a scum tell. Trying to schematically wipe out the investigation house, when all of them are town, is.

mpolo was one of the two people that I was suspicious of on day one (other than Lataro) and Adam H was the other.

I'm going to

Vote Adam H

Sure it's a bit of an OMGUS, but it's either that or vote Roband.

I wonder if perhaps the conspiracy can't use the powers of their house, but trigger the house announcements. This would prevent them from being really over powered if they can convince their house to give them control of it, while also explaining the events of the night before last. It would be really easy to get me to switch my vote to Roband.

by **roband** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:47 pm UTC

What, because I put you on my scumlist alongside fearless and Tim?

Bleh, I wasn't out to destroy your house, I was out to lynch the person who gave fearless way too much backing. Regardless of her alignment - she seemed very scummy when defending herself. I'm not sure why you didn't feel the same way - thus making you seem like a teammate.

As it is, if you are scum, you knew she was town - and as such would still defend her, so that you look more like a townie NOW.

I dunno.

by **Azrael001** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:33 pm UTC

I was her team mate. In any case it it almost certain that she was telling the truth about her results. Now we just need to figure out why she actually got any results while being blocked. If Roband was redirected, then he is actually town, and should be treated as such.

For now I'm treating the results she got as suspect.

by **mpolo** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:44 pm UTC

Adam H was going to reveal this himself, but he is my housemate.

He carried out our actions for both of the last two nights. He kind of forced me to let him take the action last night, though the results that he gave me agree with everything else we have heard today.

I have been tending to trust him. On the other hand, Az is looking much better… It seems unlikely that two houses would be free of scum, though. I suppose that it is possible that all are in Gryffindor and Hufflepuff -- or that all of Gryffindor is scum, I suppose -- a roleblock would be a reasonable "scum power".

by **Adam H** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:21 pm UTC

Mpolo speaks the truth. I really think mpolo is town, so it's almost certain that scum is in both griff and hufflepuff and they know all the houses. Mpolo has given me the power both nights, and second died last night. Mpolo and I were pretty much teaming up against second; he was lurking and not really doing much. I just don't see why mpolo would want him dead instead of one of the hufflepuffs or griffs.

That said, mpolo is either borderline psychic or scummy. He didn't think Lataro was scum and didn't vote for fearless. (He also seems to think I am pretty townie, which he is correct about...). I'm interested in who he DOES think is scum, so far I don't think he's given any names...

Aside from Az, I'm suspicious of t1mm and greenlover. Chandani and mostlynormal... pretty neutral, I'd say. FAOT is somewhat cleared since scum was not roleblocked last night. Roband might be GF but that seems unlikely. (What are the odds that gf is in the game AND cop checks gf on N1? Much simpler to say that he's town. I'll gamble on him, and if we lose then we lose.)

by **roband** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:27 pm UTC

For the record Adam, last time you gambled on me, you lost a game of The Resistance

Not that I'm claiming scum here, just wanted to remind you of that

I would accept a Tim lynch today, purely based on how he's posted so far. Seems a little all over the place, his play reminds me a little of when he was scum with me in neighbourhood mafia - trying to guide people in some way.

by **t1mm01994** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:52 pm UTC

Well, it should also remind you of Amy's game, where I tried to guide people towards (misno)farmer, and Weiy, because they were indie and scum respectively.. Or Scales of Justice, for that matter. My playstyle is a bit all over the place... Think of me as a weird man,standing on the street. You might not find it interesting to look at, but it's undeniable interesting to look at the reactions. I think that you, better than anyone else, should know the drill with going in without reading what has been gone on all too well, and having to back of at some point (based on your own sayings, if I'm wrong here don't hate me for it)
As such, I would be fine with a roband lynch today. He's lead the lynch on fearless and pretty much claimed our power for the last 2 days (sure, I could have stopped him, but I was somewhat convinced fearless was scum as well), with as it looks now, no results, while he has claimed to have created results all along. Apart from that, he's still on the Ravenclaw house (well, he's onto me atm but Az is his second target), and he already decimated that house. I could be brought off of this idea if something turns out to be blatantly wrong - and to be fair, that does happen - but until then, I'm fairly convinced of getting roband.

by **t1mm01994** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:53 pm UTC

EBWOP: Just realised what Adam had posted. Adam, I think we can all agree that something very strange happened day 1 with the roleblock. All of Gryffindor can confirm that roband roleblocked fearless, who was town, and she got a result. I honestly don't know if we can trust that result or that it somehow has been messed with.

by **roband** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:54 pm UTC

lol

You BACKED me with the fearless lynch. You TOLD me to claim that I'd roleblocked her. You voted for her (then unvoted when it looked like other people might agree - I forget if you revoted or not).

Vote Tim

for massive inconsistencies.

by **t1mm01994** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:57 pm UTC

Inconsistencies, or handling new information? I think that the information that fearless was town is pretty huge in this case. How did I unvote "when people might agree" when there already were 7 votes on her at the time I voted?!

by **Mostlynormal** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:01 am UTC

So by now we know that scum have to have some kind of power, because either roband is a godfather and the entire house of Gryffindor is scum or there is scum in Gryffindor and scum have a roleblocker or a redirecter. I'm not sure why people think a redirecter is more likely, since a roleblocker is more common.

I propose we lynch T1mm today. Not only are some of his actions scummy , like helping to start a lynch on Lataro, but Roband prefers him over his other housemate and we know one of them is scum (Roband could also be scum, but in that case the entire house would be scum). I think we should definitely keep a close eye on Roband, given his vague and unshared "read" on the townie Lataro, his roleblock leading to the fearless lynch, and just the general vibe I'm getting from him. But I figure if Roband is scum then T1mm is almost definitely also scum.

Ninja'd by T1mm: You haven't convinced me of your innocence, but you've made some excellent points against Roband. I think you're both scum bussing each other. The only question is, who to lynch first?

How about T1mm?

Vote: T1mm

Ninja'd once again by Roband: Yeah, you're not helping either of your cases.

Also, we should find out who the last Gryffindor is, because I'll bet the entire house is scum.

by **t1mm01994** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:22 am UTC

Just sniping through that post, because it really is time to go to bed here: I believe I gave well enough arguments for my lynch of Lataro. If you want to attack that specific lynch, give some specifics and I'll be more than happy to respond to it. I really don't know how to convince you of my innocence, I've been trying my best to be as good a townie as I can be..

by **Mostlynormal** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:34 am UTC

Your arguments for lynching Lataro, correct me if I'm wrong, were basically "He doesn't agree with the majority and is being a jerk about it." We all got caught up in lynching him, and his over the top behaivior didn't help, but there was very little good evidence behind that Lataro lynch.

by **Mostlynormal** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:37 am UTC

EBWOP: Though looking back, It is possible that what really blew it out of control was Az and fearless's votes. I'd hate to lynch our last cop and T1mm and Roband still look pretty scummy, but it's something to consider.

by **t1mm01994** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:01 am UTC

Since that's not the reason I can remember for it, I'll try to state that: He's being arrogant, and getting the focus on him, and just him. There's an Az post that said everything there need to be said there. I kept on asking him, time and time again, what arguments he had, and he kept on ignoring the question and going into "I'm pro"-mode. Since he either was scum or utterly unhelpful, I figured we might as well lynch him. Speaking of Az, to reply to your last post: I don't know which is worse, a scum cop or no cop at all.

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