In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

[Diadem]

Nope. Mississippi lawmaker introduces bill to change name of Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.

During that whole deepwater horizon thing I once asked here on this forum why the Gulf of Mexico was named like that. It's a very weird name. The gulf is defined the Yucatán and Florida peninsulas and the island of Cuba. It should be named "Gulf of Yucatán", "Gulf of Florida" or "Gulf of Cuba".

I guess there are historic reasons for the name though?

Either way "Gulf of America" doesn't make any sense either.

[Dauric]

Nope. Mississippi lawmaker introduces bill to change name of Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.

During that whole deepwater horizon thing I once asked here on this forum why the Gulf of Mexico was named like that. It's a very weird name. The gulf is defined the Yucatán and Florida peninsulas and the island of Cuba. It should be named "Gulf of Yucatán", "Gulf of Florida" or "Gulf of Cuba".

I guess there are historic reasons for the name though?

Either way "Gulf of America" doesn't make any sense either.

IIRC it's because Spanish conquistadors had pretty much sown up the gulf region of central-america, the Yucatan Peninsula -and -the Florida Peninsula for Spanish exploitation/colonization by the time the navigation charts were finalized. The northern edge of the coast was mostly pirate camps and otherwise unaffiliated settlements,the American colonies hadn't extended south or west of Georgia (which itself was a penal colony to provide a buffer between the Spanish territories and the English/German colonies).

[Djehutynakht]

Could New Mexico claim it's offended, or does it not count since they don't border the Gulf?

Well, America does have the most coastline on the Gulf.... however when the Gulf was named Mexico had most of it (when you include Texas and such).

Eh. I'm good with Gulf of Mexico.

Someone reprimand this lawmaker. I will not have another Freedom Fries incident.

[Nylonathatep]

I'm not saying that the father here is completely right... and I did state that he over-reacted, but "Hannah" here lied on facebook, making up stories to possibly get her family in trouble, have an awful sense of entitlement, and that's supposely a "teenage thing'?

Wait, why are you sure the daughter lied? Considering the fact that the father is clearly batshit insane, as proven by the video, I do not find the daughter's side of the story unbelievable. Sure she's a teenager, she probably made some aspects larger than they actually are, but most of her letter (at least the parts the father read out. Don't know if that was the whole thing) seemed, in fact, surprisingly mild for an angry rant.

We can't know if what the girl wrote is true. But we know for a fact that the father is an abusive asshole. He proved that himself with that video. Given that, I'm far more inclined the believe the daughter. And some parts of what the daughter wrote are already proven. Such as that they do not respect her and treat her as property. Again, the video proves that.

To each their own, and while I respect your belief I think the Dad's story have more of a ring of truth to it. There's no need for the dad to elobrate the fact that the lady that was helping out in the house isn't a cleaning lady, or the fact that he said he actually upgrade the laptop and paid for the $150 + dollars in upgrades.

On the other hand, having a 16 year old hoeing the garden is kinda ridiculous... pouring coffee and doing laundry really doesn't seem like that much work, and why would the little brother wake up at 5 am in the morning, and sturr her older sister up? "She probably made some aspect larger then they already are" ??? Probably blatant lie.

In the video the father was reading out loud what the daughter was posting on facebook on a piece of paper, remember that it was posted on Facebook by her in the first place and so If the father here changed a single word, ppl who already read the post will call him out on it.

I do think the father violated her privacy in this instance and I've stated this many time, and that the punishment doesn't fit the crime and he over-reacted. Still it doesn't even out the fact that she did what she did.

Or let's put it this way, If one of your friends decided to post some things about you that's discredit your character... would you be pissed? Or how about this:

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... ok-bullies

or this one (this one particularly makes me angry)

http://jezebel.com/5796755/woman-deceiv ... -six-years

The common theme with what I've posted above, the video, and the other link that I've posted in my previous post is that kids in this generation doesn't understand the power of social media and decide to act and say things in the virtual world without thinking of consequence, and in some cases hidden in ammonites. Can't you imagine if a girl you know told you that her father make her wake up at 6, make her hoe the garden, do laundry, etc, and it's so bad that she's so tired she needs to sleep at 10? How would you react to that?

As for the shooting thing. This family lives in Texas and so they do have the right to bare arms....It could have been a sledgehammer that that father use to break the Laptop instead, will it make a difference? (except it'll be more gratifying to see a Laptop being smashed apart by a sledge hammer ofcourse) Respecting her property? Hate to say it, but who bought her that Laptop? It's pretty obvious that she didn't paid for it considering she has no Job or income.

On the other hand, it could be the fact that it runs in the family and both the father and the daughter are batshit insane.

[Diadem]

On the other hand, having a 16 year old hoeing the garden is kinda ridiculous... pouring coffee and doing laundry really doesn't seem like that much work, and why would the little brother wake up at 5 am in the morning, and sturr her older sister up? "She probably made some aspect larger then they already are" ??? Probably blatant lie.

I love how you called the one part about which the father said: "That part is actually true" a blatant lie. And yes, little children have a tendency to wake up extremely early and be annoyingly hyperactive. Ask any parent.

Or let's put it this way, If one of your friends decided to post some things about you that's discredit your character... would you be pissed? Or how about this:

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... ok-bullies

Did you... Did you just compare a daughter venting steam about her parents to facebook bullying?

Can't you imagine if a girl you know told you that her father make her wake up at 6, make her hoe the garden, do laundry, etc, and it's so bad that she's so tired she needs to sleep at 10? How would you react to that?

Yes I can. What are you trying to say?

As for the shooting thing. This family lives in Texas and so they do have the right to bare arms....It could have been a sledgehammer that that father use to break the Laptop instead, will it make a difference? (except it'll be more gratifying to see a Laptop being smashed apart by a sledge hammer ofcourse)

Any method would not have been ok. The gun just makes it particularly nasty, because of the implied threat.

Respecting her property? Hate to say it, but who bought her that Laptop? It's pretty obvious that she didn't paid for it considering she has no Job or income.

So? Whether she paid for it or not is completely irrelevant. It was her laptop, he should not have touched it.

This father invaded her privacy, most likely hacked her computer, destroyed her stuff, gives her a ridiculous punishment for a very minor offence, and publicly humiliates her in front of her friends (Or at least attempts to. I doubt any of her friends will have been impressed). Every single one of those is a form of emotional abuse. Together they indicate a pattern of seriously fucked up parenting.

He clearly he 0 respect for her as a person. Given that, it would not surprise me at all if he treated her as a slave. It fits the pattern perfectly.

[Nylonathatep]

I don't want to turn this into a debate since this is about posting of news of Interest in general and therefore it's not fair for others to skim thru our little debate. You can still PM me your response if you like and we can have this discussion in private.

As far As I'm concern Neither of us here can verify any truth in this situation. As I stated above I respect your opinion if you believe in the girl's side of the story. I'm here stating why I think the Dad's side of the story is more believable. I wish that you'll share with us your opinion why it is not so.

As for the Labtop... I have to say Lol... We definitely have different values here. Sure in the word of the Law, when you are given stuff it means that it's sololy your possession. However What I'm trying to get at is... Her dad gave her this laptop (to be used for school work), and then she turns around and use it to post stuff to discredit her father on facebook? Inside of being thankful for all the stuff her dad has provided her, she literally biting the hand that feeds her?"

As for the assumption that he hacked into her computer... here's an update about it. FYI he didn't hack her computer... in fact it's completely hilarious how he found out about her post. It was also very heartwarming towards the end... unless you want to believe that the father made up all those things and is currently shutting him in the basement and never see the daylight again.. then by all means.

http://www.litefm.com/cc-common/mainhea ... le=9744152

My final conclusion was... respect goes both ways and clearly she wasn't respecting. It's also not fair, but when it comes to parent to child relationship... as a child you have to earn your respect and show you are a responsible adult in order to be treated as one. We've all gone thru that phase as we grow up when our parents slowly let us have more freedom because we have showed in their eyes that we are capable of handling them.

Dissing your own parents on facebook and crying wolf clearly isn't that.

[ShootTheChicken]

As far As I'm concern Neither of us here can verify any truth in this situation.

We can verify that he destroyed her property with a firearm.

Dissing your own parents on facebook and crying wolf clearly isn't that.

Yes it is. It's called adolescence. Teenagers rebel against their parents and say stupid things when they're doing so. This is nothing new.

[yurell]

What's so odd about needing to sleep at 10? That's when I went to bed in High School (and I only had to get up an hour earlier).

[PerchloricAcid]

I'm not saying that the father here is completely right... and I did state that he over-reacted, but "Hannah" here lied on facebook, making up stories to possibly get her family in trouble, have an awful sense of entitlement, and that's supposely a "teenage thing'?

Wait, why are you sure the daughter lied? Considering the fact that the father is clearly batshit insane, as proven by the video, I do not find the daughter's side of the story unbelievable. Sure she's a teenager, she probably made some aspects larger than they actually are, but most of her letter (at least the parts the father read out. Don't know if that was the whole thing) seemed, in fact, surprisingly mild for an angry rant.

We can't know if what the girl wrote is true. But we know for a fact that the father is an abusive asshole. He proved that himself with that video. Given that, I'm far more inclined the believe the daughter. And some parts of what the daughter wrote are already proven. Such as that they do not respect her and treat her as property. Again, the video proves that.

This. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Besides, I think that man a dangerous and violent person, and by no means can it be safe for Hannah to live with him (and his gun) now.

Teens may act immature, parental duty is to respond maturely to their children's immatureness. It's a part of their growing up. This kind of berserk reaction is not going to help her at all. With a parent like this, it wouldn't be a bit surprising if she grew up into a not-completely-right person...
Like, dafuq.

[Nylonathatep]

My suggestion again for those of you who are interest is:

Read the article on the link below and then read the comments that people left on this article:

It's the update on what happened after the dad "Tommy Jordan" and his family did after posting that video.

http://www.litefm.com/cc-common/mainhea ... le=9744152

I think at this point we, include me, can stop jumping to conclusions now.

[PerchloricAcid]

Yes, I've just read it.
His effort of justifying his own insaneish actions may be eloquent, but come on - I'm not buying the story that he's a rationally acting person (as he presents himself in the post when he talks about how they've fairly discussed all the issues etc), not after he shot a gorram computer with a gorram gun

My daughter isn't hurt, emotionally scarred, or otherwise damaged

Really? We're supposed to believe that?

[Shivahn]

His effort of justifying his own insaneish actions may be eloquent, but come on - I'm not buying the story that he's a rationally acting person (as he presents himself in the post when he talks about how they've fairly discussed all the issues etc), not after he shot a gorram computer with a gorram gun

I really don't get the focus on the gun. It might just be me, but that seems far less threatening than him beating the shit out of the computer with a baseball bat or something.

[Ghostbear]

I really don't get the focus on the gun. It might just be me, but that seems far less threatening than him beating the shit out of the computer with a baseball bat or something.

I dunno, guns are extremely dangerous (duh), and I'd be pretty worried around someone who is willing to use a gun to destroy a laptop, instead of for self defense / sporting / other good gun uses (whichever you define those to be). A baseball bat would still be bad, but just not quite as bad as the gun.

[Shivahn]

Well, yeah, guns are dangerous. I guess I'm just picturing someone who gets so frustrated that he has to physically hit things, and videotapes himself beating up his daughter's laptop with a baseball bat. That seems to me like it'd be a lot worse, both in terms of how angry he'd have to be and the fact that he's the kind of person who physically hits things when he's angry.

[poxic]

I'm inclined to think that, however justified the father's anger might be, his reaction was out of proportion. Perhaps his daughter is truly provoking in her behaviour, but it's up to the adult in the relationship to set boundaries and provide a model for emotional stability. Shooting a laptop shows poor boundaries and poor emotional control.

That doesn't make him the worst parent in the world, mind. His parenting skills are probably not as far from average as this incident would make us think. Especially when I remember the assorted horror shows I've heard about from a friend who has worked in Child and Family Services. *shudder*

All that aside, some competent family counseling would be a nice thing here. Just a thought. Not saying just saying, have a nice day, please don't shoot me or my computer, thank $deity I'm childless even though that makes me much less authoritative on this subject, and so forth.

/partially ninja'd by Shivahn

[Diadem]

As for the Labtop... I have to say Lol... We definitely have different values here. Sure in the word of the Law, when you are given stuff it means that it's sololy your possession.

It's not a matter of law, it's a matter of respect. Of fundamental human decency. Of teaching your kids those same values. You don't touch other people's shit without permission. It doesn't matter how they got the shit. That's utterly irrelevant.

However What I'm trying to get at is... Her dad gave her this laptop (to be used for school work)

You're making baseless assumptions here. Also, it is not relevant.

and then she turns around and use it to post stuff to discredit her father on facebook? Inside of being thankful for all the stuff her dad has provided her, she literally biting the hand that feeds her?"

You're still assuming, without any evidence, that what she said was actually untrue. Now you'r even assuming she posted it on purpose to discredit her parents. You're making more and more stuff up about this.

Also, kids do not need to be thankful for parents. Not for good ones, and especially not for shitty ones.

As for the assumption that he hacked into her computer... here's an update about it. FYI he didn't hack her computer... in fact it's completely hilarious how he found out about her post. It was also very heartwarming towards the end... unless you want to believe that the father made up all those things and is currently shutting him in the basement and never see the daylight again.. then by all means.

Not a very believable story. But even if true, it changes little. He should not have read that post if it clearly was not meant for his eyes. It's like reading your daughter diary. You don't do that. Not even if she leaves it lying open on a kitchen table. (Ok. I admit, I'm setting a high standard here. So let's be clear, I don't think it's terrible to sometimes fall short of such a high standard. But it's still the standard you should aim at).

And if you do read something private that is not for you, you don't then tell the whole world about it!

My final conclusion was... respect goes both ways and clearly she wasn't respecting. It's also not fair, but when it comes to parent to child relationship... as a child you have to earn your respect and show you are a responsible adult in order to be treated as one.

You're wrong. In fact you couldn't be more wrong. Children deserve unconditional love and respect. Parents, on the other hand, have to earn it.

We've all gone thru that phase as we grow up when our parents slowly let us have more freedom because we have showed in their eyes that we are capable of handling them.

Freedom, yes. Respect, no.

http://www.litefm.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=421220&article=9744152

Interesting link.

I revise my earlier conclusion. The father is not batshit insane. He's a child. He has the emotional maturity of a 8 year old. Everything he writes is so amazingly childish.

[Diadem]

That doesn't make him the worst parent in the world, mind. His parenting skills are probably not as far from average as this incident would make us think. Especially when I remember the assorted horror shows I've heard about from a friend who has worked in Child and Family Services. *shudder*

I have to agree there. From his facebook page, what he said and did after the video-incident is reasonably fair. It's still a horribly example of what parents shouldn't do. But as long as he doesn't repeat it too often it probably won't leave major scars.

As for people who think he is one of the worst parents ever... I consider them lucky. They've clearly never experienced any truly bad parenting.

[Iulus Cofield]

I have often noticed that people who publicly praise themselves for working and taking on massive responsibilities tend to be emotionally stunted.

[Randomizer]

Angry dad reprimands daughter on YouTube, then shoots her laptop

I saw that video and decided that dad was a terrible and probably abusive parent.

Pffft. I just watched the video - the kid wasn't even around when he shot the laptop, so it's not like he was threatening her. How is that abusive? And even if her dad -had- made her do the chores she claimed he did, that would hardly be unreasonable. It's hard to succeed in life if you never learn the value of, or develop the habit of doing, hard work.

Spoiled brat got what was coming to her. :p If she's going to be disrespectful and misuse her computer privileges so badly, then she can go without having a computer. Shooting the thing just makes it clear that she's not going to be able to manipulate her way into using it again.

[poxic]

It would have been just as effective, and much less shitty, to take the computer away and/or sell it to someone else (after wiping the content). Which is what an emotionally capable parent would do, I think.

/third or fourth edit: and I still think this family needs counseling.

[Diadem]

Angry dad reprimands daughter on YouTube, then shoots her laptop

I saw that video and decided that dad was a terrible and probably abusive parent.

Pffft. I just watched the video - the kid wasn't even around when he shot the laptop, so it's not like he was threatening her. How is that abusive? And even if her dad -had- made her do the chores she claimed he did, that would hardly be unreasonable. It's hard to succeed in life if you never learn the value of, or develop the habit of doing, hard work.

Spoiled brat got what was coming to her. :p If she's going to be disrespectful and misuse her computer privileges so badly, then she can go without having a computer. Shooting the thing just makes it clear that she's not going to be able to manipulate her way into using it again.

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[omgryebread]

Angry dad reprimands daughter on YouTube, then shoots her laptop

I saw that video and decided that dad was a terrible and probably abusive parent.

Pffft. I just watched the video - the kid wasn't even around when he shot the laptop, so it's not like he was threatening her. How is that abusive? And even if her dad -had- made her do the chores she claimed he did, that would hardly be unreasonable. It's hard to succeed in life if you never learn the value of, or develop the habit of doing, hard work.

Spoiled brat got what was coming to her. :p If she's going to be disrespectful and misuse her computer privileges so badly, then she can go without having a computer. Shooting the thing just makes it clear that she's not going to be able to manipulate her way into using it again.

Shooting the laptop is also an incredibly creepy, passive-aggressive threat. Yeah, she wasn't around, but he recorded the thing.

Like 50% of the people who own guns are the best argument for gun control.

Maybe in addition to teaching her the value of hard work, her father could teach her the values of respecting other people's property, proper gun usage, and appropriate responses to transgressions against people. (The proper response to insults is not destruction of property.)

Pretty sure he doesn't care about teaching her shit other than stfu and listen to your parents, which is not a good lesson anyway.

[folkhero]

Kim Jong Un: the rumors of his death were greatly exaggerated, probably.

[PerchloricAcid]

As for people who think he is one of the worst parents ever... I consider them lucky. They've clearly never experienced any truly bad parenting.

It doesn't matter whether he's the worst parent ever, it matters whether he's a good or bad parent. Comparisons with other parents (better or worse), or comparisons with the average parent aren't supposed to justify any of his behaviour.
He is a bad parent. He isn't the worst parent ever, but the fact that there are worse parents doesn't make his actions less wrong.

the kid wasn't even around when he shot the laptop, so it's not like he was threatening her. How is that abusive?

He said something like "That right there is your laptop .... this is my .45 gun". Bang bang.
That is EXTREMELY ABUSIVE (at least emotionally) if you ask me. It means "I am stronger than you and will use that fact if I want to". It also means "Look at how cold-heartedly I destroy your stuff". It also might imply "This is how I'm going to deal with problems with you: you fuck up, I shoot something". And that is pretty abusive.
I know I'd be terrified if my parent did something like that; I'd expect that they might also think that it's pretty cool to give me a small gunshot wound if my behaviour wasn't according to their standards.

[Darryl]

Well, yeah, guns are dangerous. I guess I'm just picturing someone who gets so frustrated that he has to physically hit things, and videotapes himself beating up his daughter's laptop with a baseball bat. That seems to me like it'd be a lot worse, both in terms of how angry he'd have to be and the fact that he's the kind of person who physically hits things when he's angry.

Here's the thing. His shooting the laptop was done in anger. Someone who's willing to use a firearm in anger is fairly worrisome. One of the first things my dad taught me about guns (he's an avid hunter, and my youngest brother is a hunter and a shooter) was that you should never take your guns out of their locker while you're angry.

[Ashlah]

Someone reprimand this lawmaker. I will not have another Freedom Fries incident.

Hey everyone, it was satire: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501704_162- ... as-a-joke/

I'm loving this trend of Democrats putting forth satirical bills/amendments to highlight the stupidity of some of the Republican bills. (e.g. tacking on an amendment to a personhood bill making it illegal to "spill seed" outside of a vagina). Though I think you could make the argument that they're wasting time, I've been enjoying it...

[addams]

I really don't get the focus on the gun. It might just be me, but that seems far less threatening than him beating the shit out of the computer with a baseball bat or something.

I dunno, guns are extremely dangerous (duh), and I'd be pretty worried around someone who is willing to use a gun to destroy a laptop, instead of for self defense / sporting / other good gun uses (whichever you define those to be). A baseball bat would still be bad, but just not quite as bad as the gun.

Just on the gun thing.
Yes. Guns are dangerous.
But... My big bother took an old vacuum tube the big one from an old TV out into a field and shot it. Thank God he was lying down. The back of the tube went over his head; Hard and Fast.
Shooting modern technologies is so much safer than the old stuff.
Oh! Oh! Different guy, same blood line. He put bullets into the vice in the workshop. Yep. Some with 'go off' that way. He ended up shooting himself in the arm without a gun.
People are funny. From a distance.

[Panonadin]

I really hope that they never make a "board of how to parent".

If they do I hope none of you amazing people are on it. By "none" I mean most.

Also I have to literally laugh out loud at the person commenting "It's her property, doesn't matter how she got it". Sometimes I am 100% sure that XKCD itself is 8 people with 400 sock puppets posting to troll the internet.

[Radical_Initiator]

Someone reprimand this lawmaker. I will not have another Freedom Fries incident.

Hey everyone, it was satire: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501704_162- ... as-a-joke/

I'm loving this trend of Democrats putting forth satirical bills/amendments to highlight the stupidity of some of the Republican bills. (e.g. tacking on an amendment to a personhood bill making it illegal to "spill seed" outside of a vagina). Though I think you could make the argument that they're wasting time, I've been enjoying it...

Meh, it's only wasting time if someone else was planning on using it productively. Seeing as this is a state legislature (in Mississippi, no less), I find the idea that someone was planning on actually doing something worthwhile to be funny in and of itself.

[Ghostbear]

I really hope that they never make a "board of how to parent".

If they do I hope none of you amazing people are on it. By "none" I mean most.

Also I have to literally laugh out loud at the person commenting "It's her property, doesn't matter how she got it". Sometimes I am 100% sure that XKCD itself is 8 people with 400 sock puppets posting to troll the internet.

Do you have any specific disagreements other than calling us all trolls?

[Diadem]

I really hope that they never make a "board of how to parent".

If they do I hope none of you amazing people are on it. By "none" I mean most.

Also I have to literally laugh out loud at the person commenting "It's her property, doesn't matter how she got it". Sometimes I am 100% sure that XKCD itself is 8 people with 400 sock puppets posting to troll the internet.

No. of personal attacks in your post: 3
No. of arguments in your post: 0
No. of times you called others trolls: 1

I hope I do not have to explain to you why this is a bad thing.

[ShootTheChicken]

Panonadin is a slightly less obtuse version of Ixtellor and should not be fed.

[Panonadin]

I really hope that they never make a "board of how to parent".

If they do I hope none of you amazing people are on it. By "none" I mean most.

Also I have to literally laugh out loud at the person commenting "It's her property, doesn't matter how she got it". Sometimes I am 100% sure that XKCD itself is 8 people with 400 sock puppets posting to troll the internet.

No. of personal attacks in your post: 3
No. of arguments in your post: 0
No. of times you called others trolls: 1

I hope I do not have to explain to you why this is a bad thing.

Didn't insult anyone.

You can't argue against someones narrow minded opinion which is obvious from the other people already bickering in the thread. It would be a waste of time to post an objection, have someone write some random thought to be witty quips and then get stuck on the marry-go-round that is "most" XKCD "debate".

I made an observation and posted it.

[Ghostbear]

You can't argue against someones narrow minded opinion which is obvious from the other people already bickering in the thread. It would be a waste of time to post an objection, have someone write some random thought to be witty quips and then get stuck on the marry-go-round that is "most" XKCD "debate".

People here are more than willing to give people they seriously disagree with the chance to discuss a topic seriously. Writing those people off as not worth the time to object to is very insulting. How are people narrow minded? What is so wrong with their opinion? For that matter, who? You didn't even give people a chance to defend their viewpoints against yours, merely told them they're all wrong and trolls. As far as I can see, you're being far more narrow minded than the people you have labelled as such.

[Diadem]

Ok. Was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt once, but not twice.

Obvious troll is obvious. He shall not be fed.

[Panonadin]

You can't argue against someones narrow minded opinion which is obvious from the other people already bickering in the thread. It would be a waste of time to post an objection, have someone write some random thought to be witty quips and then get stuck on the marry-go-round that is "most" XKCD "debate".

People here are more than willing to give people they seriously disagree with the chance to discuss a topic seriously. Writing those people off as not worth the time to object to is very insulting. How are people narrow minded? What is so wrong with their opinion? For that matter, who? You didn't even give people a chance to defend their viewpoints against yours, merely told them they're all wrong and trolls. As far as I can see, you're being far more narrow minded than the people you have labelled as such.

I actually wrote my original post to include everyone and changed it to avoid just this type of reasoning.

There are some people on the fora that talk things out, discuss, debate, etc.(you being one of them btw) then there are a majority that just make smart ass comments and attack eachother all the while standing completely imobile in thier views with their fingers in their ears. I know you know this. I haven't been here a long and I can flip through EVERY single thread and find this. It's not rare, it's the majority so I apologize if I offended you directly, it wasn't meant to do so.

We're getting off topic further off topic than is reasonable. If you care to do so you can PM me.

Hrm, in an attempt to correct my thread derailment I'll comment on the article. I feel he over reacted only because he used a gun in destroying the lap top. I feel he would of been justified in throwing the thing in the garbage, it just seems like the gun thing turns it into a traumatizing situation. As far as it being her property and him violating her ownership I agree as much with that as I would calling being grounded unlawlful imprisonment.

[Diadem]

As far as it being her property and him violating her ownership I agree as much with that as I would calling being grounded unlawlful imprisonment.

A complete strawman. No one argued that what he did was illegal. Just that he ought not have done it.

Legally, yes, he is allowed to fuck with her property. It is still very bad parenting to do so.

[Randomizer]

Someone reprimand this lawmaker. I will not have another Freedom Fries incident.

Hey everyone, it was satire: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501704_162- ... as-a-joke/

It's not a joke when you put it up as legislation and it has the potential to become law. Or was Obama "only kidding" when he signed the NDAA?

Dude should be fired if he seriously thinks a legislative session is the place to practice his comedy routine.

[lucrezaborgia]

As far as it being her property and him violating her ownership I agree as much with that as I would calling being grounded unlawlful imprisonment.

A complete strawman. No one argued that what he did was illegal. Just that he ought not have done it.

Legally, yes, he is allowed to fuck with her property. It is still very bad parenting to do so.

If my child had done the same thing as that girl allegedly did, I would do what my friend did to her son. He was an extremely petulant kid who wanted everything handed to him on a platter with nary a thanks. My friend got tired of the usual punishments and removed everything from his room except for a blanket, mattress, two changes of clothing, and his school supplies. That's all he had for quite a while until he suddenly had a major attitude change.

Children are not entitled to anything other than basic necessities and there is no way that I would allow my child to think that anything other than the necessities are irrevocable. Would I have shot it and made a video of it? No. I'd probably have reformatted that computer and donated it or done something else to it as well as removing her phone and all privileges for quite some time. Can I say without a doubt that this father is a bad parent? No. We don't know all the info. From the video, it seems the mother was in on it and fully approved.

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If my child had done the same thing as that girl allegedly did, I would do what my friend did to her son. He was an extremely petulant kid who wanted everything handed to him on a platter with nary a thanks. My friend got tired of the usual punishments and removed everything from his room except for a blanket, mattress, two changes of clothing, and his school supplies. That's all he had for quite a while until he suddenly had a major attitude change.

Children are not entitled to anything other than basic necessities and there is no way that I would allow my child to think that anything other than the necessities are irrevocable. Would I have shot it and made a video of it? No. I'd probably have reformatted that computer and donated it or done something else to it as well as removing her phone and all privileges for quite some time. Can I say without a doubt that this father is a bad parent? No. We don't know all the info. From the video, it seems the mother was in on it and fully approved.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with what your friend did. The only part, as stated before, that I disagree with in the article in question is the fact that he shot it with a gun. Maybe I'm missing something but taking away things that are "extra" as a form of punishment is ok by me.