The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

[Fire Brns]

Firefly:

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I love these circumstances: 2 alliance, 2 reavers and a town died. Replacement, have fun convincing everyone you got the short odds on that pick.

[t1mm01994]

Zombie

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FoS: Mostlynormal
Gee, TMG died, and now suddenly Tim looks so scummy, we should probably kill them! Seeing how I was quite easy to set up for a thing like that, I don't think too highly of this accusation. If I didn't want to seem obvious, then why would I kill the one that has a vote on me, as opposed to the one that doesn't? It just doesn't add up, and seems to set-up. I'm being framed here, and I'm going to take it out on the first person that attacks me for it.

@yesterday, I thought I had a read, and acted on it.. Too bad the read turned out to be completely false, apologies for that. Apart from that, real life has made me a bit cranky. Still, I take full responsibility for all my actions.
@GoP: Scum and SK can't kill eachother. Our only chance is if SK kills scum, and the we take out the SK. If SK or town get lynched, we're done for. If we get scum, we still have to rely on the SK, as if he lynches town it's 1/1/1, which means the remaining townie is kingmaker. If he doesn't vote or votes for scum, SK wins, if he votes for SK, scum wins.

Needed to store.

[Fire Brns]

Firefly:

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I've done my job, for the good of us all a sacrifice is made. If that button does what I think it does then good luck guys.

[Sungura]

Firefly

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wtf az?

[_infina_]

Firefly needs a replacement.

[Gopher of Pern]

Zombies:

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Wow, lets hope this works. I'm hoping to lynch scum, and then let t1mm kill the other scum. They'll have a 50/50 shot of killing town or scum. If they kill town, I will give t1mm the win. If they kill scum, town will win.

[Woopate]

Zombies:

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I knew I would like this game. Though confused as to why webby went against the plan.

[Misnomer]

Zombies:

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*cackles*

Yes town, make all the demands you like. Let's see where it gets you.


Also, psyche!

[BoomFrog]

Radical_Initiator has dropped from The Underworld Game. I do not need a replacement as he never actually entered the game, but if someone wants to join the game they can take his spot. PM me if you are interested.

Spot taken.

[Woopate]

Zombies:

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I really really really hope I didn't break the fun of the game. If I did I am super duper sorry. It really seemed like a good move at the time. If it sucks, I'll be much more cautious in the future.

EDIT: Zombies:

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What I hope I did:
From my calculations, sk gets a win if any 3 persons die.
If 2 persons die, there's a chance for two scum wins, a town win, and a town Kingmaker.
If 1 person dies, there's a town win, a scum win, and a town Kingmaker.
If the above is true, the game must now not be played based upon suspicion, but each faction predicting what the other will do. The ultimate WIFOM/MAD scenario.

Plus I dislike being threatened into complacency. The thing that might suck is if I got it wrong and there's a way for SK to win no matter what that I failed to reason through.

Most likely scenario I can think of is a 2 man town kingmaker unless sk wants to decide who wins between town/scum

[t1mm01994]

Zombies:

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Woopate, thank you for clearing the lake of wine! I was uncertain for a bit, but well, you helped me pretty much get a free win from here on.. Thanks, again!

Underworld:

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/love/ the flavour. kudos on that, BF

[Mostlynormal]

Zombies:

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I'm totally bluffing right now. Mafia could try the exact same deal, and we could both mess each other up bad if the other tried that. If people are smart, we'll probably end up in a "bidding war" with the probability of letting SK win increasing ever more. I'm just hoping GoP will get online and back me up so I can hammer before anything else happens.

[Adam H]

Zombies:

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if I want to make deals like this in a future game I have to keep my word.

Future games? Which part of "Zombie APOCALYPSE" do you not understand?!

Now a concrete promise regarding the Underworld game would be really really awesome. I'm pretty sure BF would love that.

[rigwarl]

Resistance:

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Man, I am so freaking confused. I suck at this game.

[ConMan]

Zombies:

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Wow. That is definitely a gutsy move by woopate. I have to say, it's not every day you see a scum roleclaim. And by this point I'm so lost I'm not even sure if it's genuine or not!

[roband]

Not a spoiler, but I can't post it in the game thread either.
Resistance:

Well, I'm only a member of this forum because of Resistance 3.5. So yeah, I'm having more fun than I usually do.

You mean, you stuck around because you did so well in that game? lololololol

Or just to have your revenge on me at some point?

[TheSecondShadow]

Firefly

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So I totally anticipated me finally saying something being met with a tsunami of votes, but it seems no one is posting for the moment. Thankfully this means I can reintegrate without dying. Course, I still want to lay relatively low. I'm sure with my rolename I'll be insta-lynched if I have to claim.

And of course firebrns acts all scummy and is an easy target for me to vote behind, and they die.

Its conspiring to make me do meaningful life-risking stuff.

[Adam H]

Hey I don't want to hear any BS about how I lost that game for everyone! And anyways can't I get an ass-whooping and have fun at the same time?

Resistance 4:

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If you were playing resistance 4 you'd get your fucking revenge! Imma burn that whole thread TO THE GROUND!

Zombies:

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I think I missed my true calling in life - writing flavor for mafia games. I just wrote the last few bits (though if t1mm doesn't win it'll need some tweaking), and I feel like Mr. Holland getting ready to conduct his opus.

[Woopate]

Zombie:

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Holy crap!
I freakin' did it!


This was the plan from when gop called webby on the falseclaim. I've been hyper nervous that they wouldn't take the bait and just let t1mm win, resenting me for a hideous misplay

[greenlover]

Hogwarts (roband should read after the game):

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Greenlover is a lurker, I'm not going to message him, because ONE, I have nothing to say and TWO, I doubt he'd've replied.

I'm actually online a lot, I just don't make posts often. So I would have replied if you had messaged me. Just fyi for anyone who is given a private communication role with me in future games.

[roband]

Grrrrr

[t1mm01994]

Hogwarts:

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *cough*
Wait, you mean I'm dead? I don't care, this stuff is hilarious
BWAHAHAHAH *gackle*
But yeah, to clarify, roband is absolutely right about FAOT. Thing is just that FAOT is playing the best game of his life, and well... It would seem roband and Az are not. I think my N1 caused enough confusion to grant town the win... Me gusta.

Zombies:

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Well, this is awkward. My only way of winning is giving up the win, in the first place. Scum doesn't seem to be wanting any sort of deal (they're right at that) and MN is acting clever again. This time I just can't pretend to have scum's support to lynch MN (had they done that, they'd have lost).. Interesting is the least I say.

[Mostlynormal]

Zombies:

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I'm screwing this up bad, aren't I? It seems like whenever I make threats people take it personally and decide "town is not to be trusted" or something. And then GoP is going to come in and complain instead of agreeing to follow my deal and I'm going to get nightkilled and GoP is going to let whoever he feels like win.

[Azrael001]

Hogwarts:

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For those watching at home, I am town, so everything I have said about investigations has been true as far as I know.

[BoomFrog]

Hogwarts

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Wow, the wine spilled from t1mm accidentally busdriving the roleblock onto himself D1 has made this day epic.

[webby]

Resistance:

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I'm confused as to what Tim is doing here. He's resistance, he investigated rigwarl, then claimed a resistance result on infina, who is a spy. I even checked I gave him the right result on the right person and I definitely sent him a PM saying 'Your investigation concludes that rigwarl is a member of the Resistance.'

It's a shame for him, because if he had investigated infina he would have got a spy result and he at least would have five people (including himself) that he correctly trusted.

[t1mm01994]

Resistance

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Had my screenname been Sungura, I would have been able to pull this off, without anyone doubting me.. But sadly, I don't have that kind of reputation. For the watchers, utterly confused on what I'm doing, I've told the truth in-thread. I'm resistance, I think Lataro is, I think BF, Adam, Infina + (GoP or Silk) are spies, and feel very safe around TMG. Just.. I don't think many will believe my theory as I've only thrown out these kinds of theories when I was scum (Neighbourhood) or when I claimed SK afterwards (Zombies). Funny thing: apart from Scales of Justice, my hunches have been right when I wanted them to be... I'll see how this pans out. I think town is too conservative to believe me, which is perfectly understandable... Just sad.

[Adam H]

Resistance 4:

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Whatever the above spoiler says, this is my response:

FUCK YOU.

[t1mm01994]

Resistance 4:

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I'm not going to lie, I'm damn scared. If /any/ part of my theory is wrong, I just messed up the game by making either Adam and infina or Lataro and me spies, while it could be that all 4 of us are town, and we *need* 5 town for the last mission... Mafia gods, please be kind to me, because if I screw this up, I'm going to hear this in many, many games and it's going to hinder my side for every game from now on... And well, ruining games for me is something I don't mind, but ruining games for others is a bridge too far.

[Adam H]

Hogwarts:

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Promise? Did I... promise anything? Hmmm, I'm drawing a blank.

Actually, I didn't consider how much pleasure I'd get from purposefully making roband lose. It strikes me now as quite a delicious option.

[_infina_]

Resistance 4:

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t1mm01994 screwed up bad, but I can make it work in our favor, as long as Adam's team is rejected.

[Misnomer]

Zombie:

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Bleh, multiple factions bargaining with the mod for the right to an unconvential game end? I say kill them all.

[Adam H]

Zombie:

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Bleh, multiple factions bargaining with the mod for the right to an unconvential game end? I say kill them all.

Zombie:

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Who's bargaining? Me?

Yeah I don't know whether I love or hate kingmaker scenarios. It was fun at first trying to watch them wiggle out of it, but then it just got... depressing. Like watching a lopsided football game.

[BoomFrog]

Zombie:

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Bleh, multiple factions bargaining with the mod for the right to an unconvential game end? I say kill them all.

Zombie:

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Who's bargaining? Me?

Yeah I don't know whether I love or hate kingmaker scenarios. It was fun at first trying to watch them wiggle out of it, but then it just got... depressing. Like watching a lopsided football game.

Zombie

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I haven't looked at the game carefully but is it really a three-way split and any side can win if another side king-makes for them?

Obviously in the future design the win conditions/power use priorities so that this can't happen. However it's too late to make such a change fairly now. I really do suggest going with a "Mexican standoff, everyone shoots simultaneously and they all die", three-way tie. I don't see another fair way to resolve this (although I haven't looked at the game carefully).

Wait... it's 2-2-1 right and town has no powers? If there is a no-lynch then mafia can try to kill town. If the SK withholds then mafia can win. So there are ways for this to resolve and it's basically going to be rock-paper-scissors between SK and mafia to win.

[BoomFrog]

I likely need another replacement for Underworld again. You would get to join immediately and you do not have to have been in any feeder games. Again, no pressure, I can adjust the remaining roles to compensate for a modkill and keep the game balanced.

Nevermind, I jumped the gun.

[Adam H]

Zombie

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I haven't looked at the game carefully but is it really a three-way split and any side can win if another side king-makes for them?

Obviously in the future design the win conditions/power use priorities so that this can't happen. However it's too late to make such a change fairly now. I really do suggest going with a "Mexican standoff, everyone shoots simultaneously and they all die", three-way tie. I don't see another fair way to resolve this (although I haven't looked at the game carefully).

Wait... it's 2-2-1 right and town has no powers? If there is a no-lynch then mafia can try to kill town. If the SK withholds then mafia can win. So there are ways for this to resolve and it's basically going to be rock-paper-scissors between SK and mafia to win.

Zombies:

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I don't think there's a problem. It's just that town cannot win but they refuse to acknowledge it.

If I'm wrong someone let me know and I can always pull a dues ex machina.

[roband]

Hogwarts (roband should read after the game):

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Greenlover is a lurker, I'm not going to message him, because ONE, I have nothing to say and TWO, I doubt he'd've replied.

I'm actually online a lot, I just don't make posts often. So I would have replied if you had messaged me. Just fyi for anyone who is given a private communication role with me in future games.

Hogwarts:

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Dude, at that point I was just trying to explain WHY we hadn't spoken - I couldn't think of a reasonable answer, so I resorted to this.

Even as town, I sometimes embellish things to make me look more townie.

Non-reply to greenlover, Hogwarts:

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Is Az seriously not scum? What? Can someone please explain what's going on?

[t1mm01994]

Non-reply to greenlover, Hogwarts:

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Is Az seriously not scum? What? Can someone please explain what's going on?

Hogwarts, @roband

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As short as I can: I swapped the targetting of fearless and me N1. I "executed" the NK but was RBd by you. I hell don't know what happened D2, but then I died. FAOT is scum, and probably executed N3 NK, blocked by you. BF(Chan) is the other scum, and no clue how FAOT and MN managed to end up on a draw.

[roband]

Hogwarts:

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Well shit.

How come Az is saying that FAOT is town? Is the redirect still in action? A general scum power, as opposed to YOUR power?

[t1mm01994]

Hogwarts:

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Well shit.

How come Az is saying that FAOT is town? Is the redirect still in action? A general scum power, as opposed to YOUR power?

Hogwarts

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Yeah, well, FAOT is a godfather. The redirect was a one-shot power, so only N1, only fearless and me.. Quite happy how that panned out. Az is not playing his best game ever, and FAOT just may be. Az has not lied once afaik. Just.. Uncanny how exactly BF is the one unchecked.. And you just made no-one believe Az when he turns up a scum result on BF.