I think the more people talk or get involved in this game, the scummier they look. I'm getting the feeling that it's because there are so many actions that seem unlikely (like picking who gets the plot powers and who gets to go on the teams), and we associate unlikely behavior with scum. Basically, I imagine that whatever you do here, we're about to find you incredibly scummy. (You put INFINA on your provisional team!?!? )TheMaskedGecko wrote:Secondly, there's been a surprising amount of people trusting me despite me not actually saying anything.
I said who I thought I'd give the powers to because I didn't consider the spy plot powers. But then someone reminded me that spies should be kept in the dark about OC, so I reconsidered my plan, and changed the targets. I did end up keeping t1mm the same. But I really don't think it was obvious who I gave OC to before t1mm claimed.rigwarl wrote:Also important to note, and I don't even think Adam H realizes this himself, is that he announced exactly who he would give powers to before he actually did- I'm not completely sure what to make of this, but yea.
Adam H wrote:In the Spotlight: Angua
BoomFrog wrote: I'll choose who to put ITS on.
t1mm01994 wrote:Adam, why did you give BF ITS?
Adam H wrote:I sent out the plot powers. Opinion Maker can be used immediately so we get more info before I propose the team. No confidence went to infina, and In the Spotlight went to BF.
Geez, they aren't "coincidences"! I had to pick someone to give ITS to! Would it have been a coincidence if I choose TMG, or Angua, or GoP, or Silknor? Just because I only had a 1/9 chance of picking out BF doesn't mean it was unlikely for me to pick someone.t1mm01994 wrote:Gee Willikers, if this spyteam doesn't incorporate BF, infina and Adam these are a even more coincidences now.. Adam, why did you give BF ITS?
Adam H wrote:Can NC be used after ITS has been used but before the mission has been passed/failed?
Adam H wrote:If Lataro was spy, he would have no way of informing the other spies that they should use Planting the Evidence on T1mm. So the fact that we know PTE was not used on T1mm is extremely weak evidence that Lataro is not scum.
@rigwarl: That's an interesting point with GoP's flipflop on his proposed team, but it is meaningless unless you assume GoP is scum. I think it's not THAT likely he's scum. If he's town, there would be a 64% chance that he would randomly pick at least 2 spies out of the other 4 players. My statisitcs aren't up to snuff but if someone is smart enough I think we could actually calculate the odds just based on him proposing that failed team. I suspect it would come out to less than 60% chance that GoP is scum, not enough to outweigh other considerations IMO. But anyways, I'm fine if you want to say GoP is scummiest, but assuming is unwise.
Adam H wrote:If just one of these statements is false, rigwarl can be scum: Lataro is town; Secret Sabatage was not used successfully on T1mm; Deception was not used successfully on Rigwarl. That's too many assumptions for me. So unfortunately for rigwarl I will not let the "odds" outweigh his content. I made that mistake last game.
BoomFrog wrote:AdamH's "plan" is assinine. Rejecting all teams without "me" is not really an option because if you don't accept GoP's team then you must accept AdamH or TMG's team. Your proposal is basically, "hay let's let TMG unilaterally decide the team.
ConMan wrote:the neighbourhood’s favourite lizard
I object to the step that says that if infina is spy, t1mm is spy. First, deception could have been used*. Second, we agree that spy-t1mm would be foolish to fail the mission, because (if you ignore the wine for a second) he would be under more suspicion than infina. So then you add in the wine: infina knows this so it's much more likely that infina would fail it, and much less likely t1mm would fail it. The result is that you both are under suspicion and you are left off future missions.t1mm01994 wrote:Any objections to any particular step? Because I'm done with getting FoSed or asked for this.
I have no idea what you are talking about. If Lataro is scum, then probability of scenario A goes down? Is scenario A not t1mm=scum?rigwarl wrote:I mean OK this probably won't affect Adam H, but I want to add the chance of scenario A of a successful SS (scenario B of a successful Deception is 25% assuming everything went perfectly according to spy plans). First, Lataro is town (60%)- actually, you know what, forget this- to stack the odds in your favor let's just assume it's true. They have to have SS (50%). He has to pick a spy (50%). So, a 25% chance of scenario A being true.
Adam H wrote:*You assume that deception was used on infina. Then you assume that it could not have been used on rigwarl. At least one of those has to be a bad assumption.
ConMan wrote:the neighbourhood’s favourite lizard
Well now you're just grasping at straws. First, both could easily be true, or false. The key word is ASSUMPTION. And you DEFINITELY assume that rigwarl is town, and that infina would be scum even if you got a town result on him. Cut the bullshit.t1mm01994 wrote:Where exactly did I assume deception was used on infina? Where did I assume it could not have been used on rigwarl? Why are you so sure one of these two is false?Adam H wrote:*You assume that deception was used on infina. Then you assume that it could not have been used on rigwarl. At least one of those has to be a bad assumption.
t1mm01994 wrote:So, under hypothesis Adam is scum, so is infina, which lets rig off the hook.
t1mm01994 wrote:Given that you're scum, how easy would it be to lure ITS on you, let infina fail the mission and blame me for it? Because I suspect that's still what's going to happen.
t1mm01994 wrote:@rig, I've got y'all down on the 90% resistance list.
t1mm01994 wrote:I'll bet ya a 20 that this mission will fail, if accepted.
t1mm01994 wrote:Fun thing is now, that Adam (under hypothesis:scum) proposes a team and says "you can use ITS on me" which means there's another scum on that mission, and it ain't me.
Adam H wrote:Rigwarl, there hasn't been a single thing posted regarding the "don't vote accept to everything" that I haven't shot down easily. I'm sick of the "lalalalala I can't hear you".
The Creater of Resistance, Travis Worthington wrote:One bit of strategy that often is overlooked in the first couple of plays is that if everyone votes yes for a mission team it is going to fail. because if everyone votes yes that means the spies are voting yes.
Likewise if everyone is voting no (or almost everyone) then its likely that the spies are unhappy with the assignments - so maybe it is a good mission team (for The Resistance).
More than anything it is important to ask people why they voted the way that they did. If everyone is voting yes just to be polite, or because they don't have any facts against the people on the team - you are missing the game.
Adam H wrote: It just so happens that I'm right, and you're wrong.