Box Boy wrote:
PeteP wrote:Another little tidbit, old chap Shiro does get quite badass in Heavens feel.
Though I adore
, HF hath my least favourite version Shirou in it.
PeteP wrote:The problem with f/sn is that it's about Shiro and Saber instead of Rin and Archer. They could have stayed with Rins perspective like in the demo/very beginning... If they didn't have to have sex scenes maybe they would have done that.
That'd be pretty bad, IMHO. You'd never get anything explained about Witchcraft/The War because Rin already knew it, and if it was done it would take place in the form of massive infodumpish internal monologues (As opposed to semi-amusing lectures) - plus, most of the action centres around Saber/Shirou, so you'd have to change the story to compensate for that or just be 'told' about all of the huge plot twists/fights/slice of life stuff that they go through.
Though I'd have liked more interaction between Rin/Archer to be shown - they're my favourite Master/Servant duo.
I like Rin / Archer too, and they definitely are great supporting roles. But you're right in that its easier to have a "clueless main character". Thats why its such a trope.
On the other hand, extremely powerful and wise main characters are possible to do. You've got Spice and Wolf for instance, where the two main characters are playfully trying to outwit each other throughout the series. Horo isn't dumb, but she doesn't know finance quite as well as Lawrence (who's pulling some college economic theory into his arguments). Neither side plays dumb, and both characters swipe manage to pin the other guy with their wits on different occasions. Slayers is another one, where Lina Inverse is the main character (and knows all of the lore of the world). Most of the "explanation scenes" are between her and Geoffery. I admit that Geoffery is dumb as hell but it does show that you don't need the "dumb one" to be the main character.
But yes, clueless main character is more typical. Shinji Ikari, Emiya Shiro, even Naruto and Ichigo.
Also, on the Saber/Shirou thing - I found it less forced than other Anime/VN romances on average, and sorta like it. I just wish she'd be a little less servantish 'bout it and that the sex scenes could be cleansed with holy fire.
Well, I certainly can name a bunch of "forced romance" Animes that pissed me off. Shakugan no Shana, Tsukihime and so forth. Fate / Stay Night isn't quite as bad as those but I do believe it is a bit forced. You've got two shower scenes, the "mana scene" if you know what I mean, the dating episode. However:
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