That would be fine if the rest of what PUAs here were saying actually indicated that they understand body language and social cues and reacted appropriately. But that video where the guy grabs a girl's hands when she turns to leave is something the PUAs here present as evidence they know what they're talking about. That indicates that maybe they do READ social cues, but they seem ignore them once they convince themselves that they have plausible deniability in attributing a woman's actions to anything OTHER than wanting to be left alone.
I think someone addressed that point before. One guy doing it doesn't mean everyone in the group does it. They even describe the 3 generations of PUA (Mystery Method/CTL/SDA???) The reason why we are still having this argument is certain individual decided to read parts of the literature, makes general assumption, and then have assumed bias and prejudices against everyone in the group.
Nylonathatep wrote:I never claim that I was or wasn't PUA. I read a few tips online here and there, have some positive results, but the biggest thing I learned is what I did wrong in the past and why I wasn't successful back then. I also encourage you to find the cracked.com article and read it. My second post in this thread sums up my position best.
I liked this depiction of how a PUA views a conversation. (Red means AVOID!!!)
Not this one... This one:http://www.cracked.com/article_18611_th ... chool.html
I don't know how many PUAs are going to give any weight to an article from Pervocracy, since the earlier one that spelled out PRECISELY how PUA tactics can lead a woman to feel coerced into sex a man thinks is fully consensual, but I'll link this anyway.
It's main suggestions for not being creepy:
1) Work on your social skills in general. [PUAs purport to do this, but I see no indication they apply their tactics to interactions with other men, in professional contexts, or with meeting people in general as opposed to with the goal of sex. Which brings us to:]
2) Don't treat your life as a quest for sex.
3) Don't try to "cheat the system" to avoid rejection.
4) Don't get angry or resentful.
5) Don't scare people.
6) Aspire to be a friend to everyone; the sex will follow. [Do PUAs here make FRIENDS with women, or just move on once sex isn't happening?]
7) Brush your teeth. [Brush your teeth brush your mothafuckin teeth!]
The post in full if you'd like more detail: http://pervocracy.blogspot.com/2011/07/ ... reepy.html
Trigger warning for thank fuck Dennis is a fictional character: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1lc6KASWg
again you are going by the stigma and presumed facts about PUA here.
1) You are assuming that our general social skills didn't benefit from stuff in PUA. There's another example of a guy that, in addition to going to PUA seminars, actually does Resume lecture, Sales coaching, Dating Coaching, Interview coaching... ofcourse then everyone made the worst assumption and accused him of being a manipulative bastard. GG
2) How many times did I have to tell you people it isn't about sex. It's about having the self-esteem and understanding how to approach women... tired of typing this.
3) If we avoid rejection.. we won't even approach them in the first place.
4) Only scrubs gets angry or resentful.. Pick up artist moves on if they don't sense interest
6 & 7) you are assuming we aren't?
Princess, you are assuming that we are just some creep that lives in the basement and doesn't socialize (how does one go to bars and clubs and pick up girls if they don't go out and socialized anyways???) . Some of us WERE
those people; we keep pondering to ourselves why girls don't like us. Stuff like PUA, ladder theory gives us an answer and a solution so we stop being that creep that lives across the street, come out of our shell, and becoming a better person over all. Stop dehumanizing us and paint us in such a negative way!Ofcourse being you, you'll never even acknowledge that point.