[T] PYPokémafia - Game ended - SK (Lataro) Wins!

[t1mm01994]

The Rules:

Spoiler:

1. Don’t talk about the game unless it’s in this thread, or in an appropriately spoilered post in the Discussion thread. If you’re still alive, don’t read any spoilers.
2. All PMs need to be CC’d to me and webby, i.e. the mod and comod.
3. If you’re playing, you’re posting. Please don’t lurk - if you need a replacement, PM me. If you don’t post for 48 hours, you will get a modprod and a warning to post within 24 hours. If you miss that deadline or fail to post for 48 hours a second time, you will be modkilled.
4. Votes, unvotes and questions for the mod should be bolded. You are requested not to use bold text unless it is to me, emphasis can be put through cursive text, or underlining, or I'm sure there's some more creative stuff to put emphasis that you can think of.
5. Day is over as soon as there is a clear majority vote, or if the deadline has passed, or if I say so. If there is a single plurality vote by deadline, that person will be lynched. Ties and explicit "no lynch" majority/plurality votes will result in no lynch (but aren’t necessarily recommended).
5. When I declare Night, do not post in the thread. If you have a Night action, PM it to me before the Night deadline or you will not use it.
6. You may not edit your posts. Ever.
8. Rule changes and/or clarifications will be put here if necessary - as this is a non-bastard game, this will only ever be done to reduce confusion, not cause it.

Living people:
1: greenlover
2: fearless (_infina_)
3: ConMan
4: Woopate
5: Angua
6: BoomFrog
7: Weeks
8: Lataro
9: matt96
10: Mostlynormal
11: Deva
12: RaceBandit
13: Misnomer
14: roband
15: Chickenfish
16: Chandani
17: Gojoe
Every day was business as usual, in the quiet Pallet Town, where Ash xKcdetchum resided, along with his many Pokémon. Some were large, some were small, some were short, some were tall; all were Pokémon, and they all lived together in harmony, with the loving care of Ash...

Until this day. Suddenly, when Psyduck got downstairs, he noticed something was different. The front door was still open. The table didn't stand where it used to stand.. And most importantly, Ash was gone. In his loudest voice, Psyduck cried out to his fellow Pokémon. Many Pokémon rushed down to the living room to see what had happened, but some stayed on their rooms rather reluctantly. The ones that were downstairs figured this must have been done from the inside, as there were no signs of forced entry. They decided to solve this stuff the way Pokémon always battle stuff out: through majority vote lynches.

Day 1 will now commence. Seeing how some players still need to check their role PMs, and there's a weekend incoming, I'll set the deadline for this day at midnight on Monday. Rules can be found in the first post of the discussion thread. I will take your first post in the thread as a confirmation post.

[Lataro]

I am going to kill you all one-by-one.

[matt96]

I am going to kill you all one-by-one.

I would make a sarcastic comment along the lines of "that doesn't seem suspicious at all ", but then I would sound like weeks did right at the beginning of what is now the discussion thread. Also, does anyone know why weeks's name is crossed out in what is now the discussion thread?

[Misnomer]

I am going to kill you all one-by-one.

Vote: Lataro

It's bound to be justfied sooner or later.


Mod: Could we get the rules and player list in the OP for this thread as well please?

[Deva]

I am going to killfaint you all one-by-one.

Fixed for flavor.

Accusation: Psyduck with the Water Gun in the Study.

Flavor knowledge for anyone unaware.

Spoiler:

Basic Idea
Capture Pokemon and pit them against another person’s Pokemon. Wins the battle by making all of another person’s Pokemon faint (see: zero remaining hitpoints). Complete the game’s story by defeating the Pokemon Champion. Complete the game entirely by owning every Pokemon.

Useful Terms
- Pokeball: Used for capturing and housing Pokemon.
- Type: The elemental affinity of a Pokemon or attack. May have two-typed Pokemon. Matters a lot in the game. Never pit your Water type versus an Electric type, your Bug type versus a Flying type, or your Grass type versus a Fire type, for example.
- Pokemon Gym: A building for training Pokemon. One per city. Receives a badge for defeating the Gym’s leader.
- Evolution: Occurs when a Pokemon reaches a certain level, typically. Transforms into a new Pokemon. Wields more power than before. May or may not evolve. Evolution example: Bulbasaur (#1) -> Ivysaur (#2) -> Venusaur (#3). No-evolution example: Pinsir (#127).
- Trainer: A Pokemon battler.
- TM and HM: Stands for Technical Machine and Hidden Machine, respectively. Teaches Pokemon an attack.
- Status Effects: Negative conditions on a Pokemon.

Types of Status Effects
- Sleep: May not act until woken up.
- Poison/Burn: Damage over time.
- Frozen: May not act until unthawed.
- Confusion: Might hit itself instead of attacking.
- Paralysis: Might be unable to act.
- Attract: Might be unable to act. Only works on oppositely gendered Pokemon. Probably not in this game.
- Curse: Damage over time. Inflicted by a Ghost type Pokemon only. Probably not in this game.

Role Speculation
Left out evolutions. Placed the reasons in parentheses.
- Doctor: Chansey, Kadabra, Staryu, and Mewtwo. (The Pokemon Center and Recover)
- Role Blocker: Water, Ice, Grass, Electric Pokemon, Disable users, and Hypnosis users. (Frozen, Sleep, Paralysis, and Disable.)
- Temporarily Night Action Immune: Abra, Flying Pokemon, and Ground Pokemon. (Teleport, Fly, and Dig.)
- One-shot Night Kill Immune: Mr. Mime. (Substitution)
- Tracker: Growlithe (For being a dog.)
- Vigilante: Rhyhorn, Dugtrio, Seaking, and Kingler. (One-hit Knockout moves.)
- Cop: Psychic Pokemon and Growlithe. (General mind reading and being with the police.)
- Masons: Psychic Pokemon and same evolutionary line Pokemon. (General mind reading and a family bonus.)
- Vanilla Town: Normal, Dragon, and Legendary Pokemon. (Plain vanilla and spite (not the attack).)
- Poisoner: Poison and Fire Pokemon. (Poison and Burn status effects.)
- Redirect: Gengar, Vulpix, and some Psychic Pokemon. (Confuse Ray and Confusion.)
- Copy: Ditto. (Transform.)
- Miller: Ditto. (Technically copies the enemy Pokemon.)
- Random Power: Clefairy. (Metronome.)
- Paranoid Gun Owner: Cloyster and Fire Pokemon? (Do not touch.)
- Listener: Stop thinking it.
- Partial Night Action Protection: Tentacool, Mr. Mime, Mewtwo, and Light Screen users. (Barrier and Light Screen.)
- Non-lethal Reactive Power Copy: Hitmonchan. (Counter.)
- Positive/Negative Voter: Magneton.

- Godfather: Bug Pokemon. (For being Super Effective versus Psychic. No Dark Pokemon yet.)
- Anti-Role Block: Fighting Pokemon. (Think Strongarm.)
- One-time Self-Resurrection: Fossilized Pokemon. (Died once and came back.)
- Anti-Watcher/Tracker: Ghost and Flying Pokemon. (Cannot watch/track a ghost. Cannot track a bird easily.)
- Other possible Mafia Pokemon: Koffing, Ekans, Meowth, and Victreebel.

- Survivor: Metapod and Kakuna. (Harden Harden Harden Harden Harden Did they leave? Harden Harden Harden.)
- Serial Killer: Mewtwo and Gengar. (Seemed the most evil. May see overlap from the Vigilante category, though.)
- Jester Bomb: Electrode and Graveller. (Explosion.)

Possible Mafia Divisions
- Location in the wild.
- Pokemon type.
- Evolution method. (See: Level, stones, and trading.)
- Level of evolution.
- Number of evolutions. (Example: A no-evolution team of Pinsir, Scyther, and Magmar.)
- Owned by Gym Leaders/the Elite Four.
- Team Rocket Pokemon (Koffing, Ekans, Meowth, and to a lesser extent, Victreebel.)
- Legendaries.
- Strict gender lines. (Examples: an "Always Female", "Always Male", or "Genderless" group.)
- Weight.
- Availability in a Pokemon game. (Example: a Scyther, Electabuzz, and Primeape team.)
- The starting Pokemon and their evolutions.
- Random.

[t1mm01994]

Weeks is crossed out because he has chosen not to be in this game anymore. See it as a pre-date modkill.
Rules and player list will come in the OP as soon as I have commenced and ended my current game of League of Legends.

[Chickenfish]

I am going to kill you all one-by-one.

Vote: Lataro

It's bound to be justfied sooner or later.


Mod: Could we get the rules and player list in the OP for this thread as well please?

Voting before everyone votes Lataro do dodge the appearance of bandwagonning?
Vote: Misnomer

[Mostlynormal]

I am going to kill you all one-by-one.

I would make a sarcastic comment along the lines of "that doesn't seem suspicious at all ", but then I would sound like weeks did right at the beginning of what is now the discussion thread. Also, does anyone know why weeks's name is crossed out in what is now the discussion thread?

That's typical Lataro. Given that statement, he could be anything from a SK telling the truth to a scum spreading wine to a jester looking suspicious to a normal townie just acting crazy. I recommend ignoring it for now, paying too much attention to Lataro's stunts usually ends up badly for town.

My role pm seems to indicate that this game may have millers. Am I right in thinking that it's standard protocol for millers to claim day 1? From what I've seen a miller claim is more likely to be beleived (or at least tolerated) the earlier it is made. Do we agree that any millers should claim?

Speaking of claiming, do you think we should claim our pokemon? My role is rather loosely tied to my pokemon in most parts, and usually the more information for town the better, right? Actually maybe we shouldn't. I don't think scum have any real incentive to falseclaim and any hints as to people's abilities are probably more exploitable by scum than by town. Can anyone see a reason for/against claiming pokemon?

[Misnomer]

I am going to kill you all one-by-one.

Vote: Lataro

It's bound to be justfied sooner or later.


Mod: Could we get the rules and player list in the OP for this thread as well please?

Voting before everyone votes Lataro do dodge the appearance of bandwagonning?
Vote: Misnomer

In case it's not clear, it's not actually a serious vote...

Dev's rolespec is pretty decent, but suffers from the unavoidable flaw that with 151 possible 'poisons', each capable of matching multiple roles, we're not really in any position to narrow things down atm. That said, it could come in useful later.

Setup wise, we got 16 players so I'm thinking probably a 4 or 5 person Mafia with a good smattering of powerful anti-town independents - a second scum faction or cult might also be a possibility. I reckon there's going to be a lot of kill powers floating around either way, though they might not all be direct - PGOs, bombs etc. seem like a good bet. I reckon scum will probably be grouped by typing - rocket pokemon might be possible, but it would require a fair few people to have sent them in, which strikes me as somewhat unlikely.

Ninja'd:

1) Barring exceptional circumstances, self-aware millers should always claim Day 1. It doesn't confirm innocence of course, far from it - but it at least stops our cops from wasting an investigation.
2) I don't want to claim my pokemon, or at least not yet anyway. This is more a meta thing than anything else - I like the allure of the unknown in PYP games, and hate to see it all revealed so early.

[Mostlynormal]

Alright then. I'm a miller. That's pretty much the only role who's pm would indicate millers in the game anyway . I was ninja'd by Deva's rolespec. It seems pretty good, though in a large PYP game the roles may be more stretched than that. Misnomer's suggestion that there are a lot of killing roles makes sense in a large Turbo.

[Chandani]

Hello.

Claiming could be bad depending on how closely related the player's power is with their Pokemon. For example, if someone claimed Chansey, most people with any Pokemon knowledge would jump to the conclusion that the person is the doctor, even if it was wrong. Which would be bad.

I think it's typically better to claim miller earlier, mostly because it just tells any possible cops that it's pointless to check on them, and, well, wine.

Deva got pretty much all the possible rolespec out there. I'll throw in a few things which I think might be important:
Depending on how much of the mechanics are based in 1st generation, there might be some stuff that won't apply. Gender wasn't introduced until 2nd gen, if I'm remembering stuff right, and as Deva said, no Dark pokemon as well (which is good, considering how they would be a stereotypical choice for mafia; I think Ghost would be the other type which would be mafia as well). There are also no abilities (so I don't think Fire Pokemon can't burn on touch) or breeding (which probably doesn't apply to this game).

I think mafia is most likely going to be Team Rocket Pokemon (the main people plus possibly grunt Pokemon like Zubat/Rattata and evolutions), Ghost type, or something based off legendaries. I don't know how likely cult is in a game of this size... if there is a cult/recruiter, I would think Mewtwo could have that ability because of the movies, with its role with cloning Pokemon for its army. It would be pretty funny if there was an Eevee-based mafia (it's the right size as well!).

ninja'd by peoples. I was wondering how you knew, MN. Thought it was a mild reveal at a cop.

[Misnomer]

Alright then. I'm a miller. That's pretty much the only role who's pm would indicate millers in the game anyway . I was ninja'd by Deva's rolespec. It seems pretty good, though in a large PYP game the roles may be more stretched than that. Misnomer's suggestion that there are a lot of killing roles makes sense in a large Turbo.

Thanks for sharing.

FoS: Mostlynormal

Sorry, it's a tough break I know, but you've confessed than an investigation on you will yield a scum result, meaning that you instantly shoot to the top of the suspect list. That's why being a Miller sucks so much - the best move for the town is the most likely to get you lynched. -_-

[Misnomer]

EBWOP: *that an investigation

[t1mm01994]

Oh, I should probably mention that massclaiming is probably not a good idea. There are measures against it. Just sayin'.. Apart from that, there are no Listeners, or spoiler readers this game. PM roles can freely speak.

[Mostlynormal]

FoS: Mostlynormal

Yeah, I sort of expected that. I undestand your reasons, though I hope by the end of the day we can manage to find a lynch target based on something better than a miller claim.

I hadn't though of a cult before Chandani mentioned it. It's certainly a possibility, though the flavor doesn't necessarily indicate more than one faction. I doubt it at the moment, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. If there does turn out to be a cult I might suspect her a bit.

[matt96]

Anyone else find it slightly strange that deva failed to mention Rapidash as a possible vig, even though it can learn Horn Drill (at least based on what I remember of being annoyed by it while playing pokemon stadium for the nintendo 64) I personally am not sure what that would mean, possibly that I am remembering incorrectly, possibly that Rapidash doesn't normally learn Horn Drill, I have no idea what that means, but it is literally the only thing I have to go on so far that is based on people's posts.

[Deva]

Anyone else find it slightly strange that deva failed to mention Rapidash as a possible vig, even though it can learn Horn Drill (at least based on what I remember of being annoyed by it while playing pokemon stadium for the nintendo 64) I personally am not sure what that would mean, possibly that I am remembering incorrectly, possibly that Rapidash doesn't normally learn Horn Drill, I have no idea what that means, but it is literally the only thing I have to go on so far that is based on people's posts.

Excluded Rapidash due to this Serebii page. Never learns Horn Drill in earlier games. Used the Ruby/Sapphire version, as the closest to the original game. May learn Horn Drill, but only through Egg Moves in later games.

[Deva]

Wrote that mostly using memory, also. Looked up some specific move users (examples: Light Screen, Barrier, and Substitute). Ignored Technical Machines too. Could teach Substitute to nearly everyone.

[matt96]

Ok, thank you for clearing that up, also, on the assumption that this is based heavily on the tv show, I think I figured out th most logical miller, a pokémon that by refusing to fight, makes ash lose in the indigo plateau thing with the competition, ash loses to Richie (I think, and Richie also has his own pikachu, and Richie and Ash had become friends while fighting Team Rocket literally one episode before)
Also I think the miller was abandoned by its trainer on a rock, and was going to die in the rain, before it decided to join Ash and I think evolved to save Ash from Aèrodactyl, and comes back to save ash from entei in the third movie









I think the miller might be Charizard
Also, I am probably wrong, but it would make sense based on the TV show, as it frequently refuses to listen to ash's commands.

[RaceBandit]

T1mm may have mentioned that stats will not dictate how strong a role/power is, but I don't think he ever mentioned attack accuracy. First-gen had a bug that gave 100% accurate moves a 1 in 256 chance of failing. IIRC Swift was the only attack that ignored accuracy checks, and in first-gen it ignored invulnerability frames (Dig, Fly) as well. For anything else, though, if T1mm factors in accuracy, he might roll via Random.org (1-256 for 100% accuracy if he also factors in the bug, 1-100 otherwise) to see what damage-dealing attacks hit.

(ninja'd by matt96)

WHOOPS! I didn't consider the possibility of T1mm basing this off the TV show instead of the games. Come to think about it, the D1 title and the eschewing of stats could be seen as hints of preferring the show over the games. I don't think levels were ever factored into the show, and even if they were, the games had a few spots where you could see and/or grab underleveled (Evolutions before their levels) 'Mons.
If this is based off the show, the accuracy checks might be radically different than just rolling a D100/D256. As such, I'm no longer sure of what to expect for accuracy.

As for Lataro's flavor issue, the anime mentioned death a few times and even killed off some 'Mons, so for all we know, Lataro could be right. It's unlikely that we'll have any Revives to work with, so KO/fainting had might as well be death anyways, as if this were a Nuzlocke. (Nuzlocke challenge rules: Catch only the first 'Mon per route and never revive a 'Mon that faints. This severely limits your choices and forces you to use what you'd otherwise ignore.)

[Deva]

Another possible division: Gary/Rival Pokemon.
Includes:
- (Television Series) Blastoise, Eevee, Krabby, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Arcanine, Dodrio, Magmar, Golem, and Aerodactyl (temporary).
- (Pokemon Yellow) Sandslash, Alakazam, Exeggutor, an Eevee evolution, and two of (Cloyster, Magneton, and Ninetails).
- (Pokemon Red and Blue) Pidgeot, Alakazam, Rhydon, a fully evolved starter Pokemon, and two of (Gyarados, Exeggutor, and Arcanine).

Currently useless, though. Encompasses a lot of Pokemon.

[Chickenfish]

In case it's not clear, it's not actually a serious vote...

Neither was mine. You shouldn't be so touchy, people will get suspicious
Not sure how much help this attempt at flavour gaming is... especially on the ability front. If we're wrong we gain nothing. If we're right, we give scum hints as the possible power roles among us.
Claiming 'Mon seems like a bad idea for this reason, too...

[Deva]

Not sure how much help this attempt at flavour gaming is... especially on the ability front. If we're wrong we gain nothing. If we're right, we give scum hints as the possible power roles among us.

Enjoys it. Starts conversations too. Avoids that (probably untrue) awkward sixth-grade dance-esque situation, with two sides gazing at each other and doing nothing.

Created the list of powers before role messages, also. Forewarns of some potentially nasty roles, like Jester Bomb. Might learn Pokemon names through investigative powers. Definitely seems more like a Town power than a Mafia one.

[BoomFrog]

Created the list of powers before role messages

That makes sense, and if you hadn't said that I was going to be pretty suspicious since that list totally fails to fit with the style of roles sent out and the opening flavor.

I think the miller might be Charizard

I think you should have kept this info to yourself if it is accurate. Maybe just saying, "I think I can guess who the miller might be" instead of spelling it all out right away. If mass claiming is a bad idea then claiming for other people is probably a bad idea too.

Now, on the other hand, since this is out there already maybe we should have MN claim. I'd like to hear a paraphrasing of the logic for why his Pokemon is a miller. However, other people should weigh in on the idea of MN claiming before he actually does. Is this a good idea?

WHOOPS! I didn't consider the possibility of T1mm basing this off the TV show instead of the games. Come to think about it, the D1 title and the eschewing of stats could be seen as hints of preferring the show over the games.

You did read the opening flavor right? It's pretty clearly about Ash, doesn't that clearly say that the game is about the TV show universe? (I never played the games, is Ash in the games?)

On a final note, does anyone have any grapefruit? I could really go for some grapefruit right about now.

[Chickenfish]

Created the list of powers before role messages, also.

Really not sure how relevant it is when you made the list. You chose to share it after the game started, and I've given my opinion on the fact.

Forewarns of some potentially nasty roles, like Jester Bomb.

True, but it's a turbo mini with what was 17 people - this is pretty much a given.
[quote="Deva"Might learn Pokemon names through investigative powers. Definitely seems more like a Town power than a Mafia one.[/quote]This, however, I hadn't considered. It's possible, but seems unlikely that such a weak investigative role would exist...

[Chickenfish]

I think the miller might be Charizard

I think you should have kept this info to yourself if it is accurate. Maybe just saying, "I think I can guess who the miller might be" instead of spelling it all out right away. If mass claiming is a bad idea then claiming for other people is probably a bad idea too.[/quote] Solid. In general, claiming for other people is bad (unless you're claiming mafia for them ). If there's debate as to whether a claim is a good idea or not, let people make their own mind up.

Now, on the other hand, since this is out there already maybe we should have MN claim. I'd like to hear a paraphrasing of the logic for why his Pokemon is a miller. However, other people should weigh in on the idea of MN claiming before he actually does. Is this a good idea?

I think this early it's a terrible idea. If there's something in place to make mass claiming bad, I would assume that it's because each individual claim increases the intensity of the badness - much easier to monitor some sort of rule that way. Also, if this is the case, my eyes are on matt96 as one who may be at a distinct advantage if people claim, seeing as he irresponsibly tried to push it.
I've never played in a totally closed game before though, so I could just be running rampant with paranoia. Still, do we actually stand to gain anything by having MN claim?

On a final note, does anyone have any grapefruit? I could really go for some grapefruit right about now.

Looking for something to go with your wine

[BoomFrog]

On a final note, does anyone have any grapefruit? I could really go for some grapefruit right about now.

Looking for something to go with your wine

If anyone knows what I'm talking about, don't spoil it, just say that you get it. I'm curious who will get it and who won't.

[Chickenfish]

On a final note, does anyone have any grapefruit? I could really go for some grapefruit right about now.

Looking for something to go with your wine

If anyone knows what I'm talking about, don't spoil it, just say that you get it. I'm curious who will get it and who won't.

Sorry, I'm used to playing with a lot of random nonsense - I thought I was being the clever Dick here. Credit rightfully returned to the joke's originator

[matt96]

Now that I think about it, there are plenty of Pokemon that could be a miller role, like any Pokemon belonging to Brock or Misty, as they are on Ash's side, but technically they aren't one of Ash's Pokemon, or possibly Squirtle, because of the stuff with the Squirtle Squad before joining Ash, there are just too many realistic possibilities for what Pokemon could be a miller to limit it down realistically.

[roband]

Sup. So, do you say it poke-mon or poh-kee-mon?
I'm kidding, but other than basic basic stuff, I won't know what's going on here.
My 3 picks were about the only 3 'non-standard' pokemanz I could think of.

I like Deva's long post, but I'm not sure about needing to tell us that the list was made prior to a role PM being sent.

Lataro is being Lataro so far.

Matt seems eager, but new This will change, I'm sure, but keep up the eagerness.

Boomfrog seems solid for now - good discussion. I would like to see MN claim his pokemon, to be honest. I feel like he scouted out the miller claim a little, is it not fairly well known that millers should claim? I feel more like he could be scum wanting to feel out if we would be accepting of a miller in the game.

[Angua]

I must say, I thought Charmeleon or Charizard first when I heard miller, but that doesn't mean that there can't be other options.

Mostlynormal is fairly new I think - they might not have known for sure that a miller should claim, but they did essentially claim it in their first post anyway.

If this is based on the show, I expect that if we have team rocket, they probably get an added win for something to do with pikachu - so we probably don't want to out pikachu (we wouldn't have wanted to out pikachu anyway, but I'm just saying). Mr Mime will probably be around, as this is at Ash's house. We have psyduck in the flavour, which means that we can have pokemon from Misty and Brock hanging around as well.

I hope there's a jigglypuff running around putting people to sleep. They'd probably be independent.

[Gojoe]

ROBAND! <3

Anyway Hi! Okay so what I have gathered so far is.. Deva is a hardcore and I should trade pokemon irl with him (no seriously, gen 5 I am trying to get all the starters from all gens)...

I was thinking it was odd that he would leave out zubat/golbat as being baddies as I always associate them with Team Rocket. But after a quick look at bulbapedia this is not the case and I am crazy.

Other than that this is sticking out to me:

In case it's not clear, it's not actually a serious vote...

I mean if it was not serious why do an actual vote and risk a band wagon. Using the rolly eye emote doesn't make you innocent you know.

Just so you know. I have not played in quite some time. So like i will be rusty. Also I have not played with these people (or if I have I have forgotten their play style). So for all I know Misnomer was just being Misnomer and I am over reacting.

[Misnomer]

Mr Mime will probably be around, as this is at Ash's house. We have psyduck in the flavour, which means that we can have pokemon from Misty and Brock hanging around as well.

Except that the mod didn't pick the pokemon, we did - we can't rely on any pokemon being around just because it would make sense from the cartoon for them to be here.

Other than that this is sticking out to me:

In case it's not clear, it's not actually a serious vote...

I mean if it was not serious why do an actual vote and risk a band wagon. Using the rolly eye emote doesn't make you innocent you know.

1) There was no risk involved whatsoever - with 16 players, a joke vote at the start of the game isn't going to quickly setup a bandwagon lynch.
2) If somebody had tried to jump on the wagon and thrown out a second vote, we'd have picked up a pretty blatant scum tell. Alas, that seems not to have happened.

[Angua]

We each picked at least 3 pokemon didn't we? There's a lot of options flying around.

However, you're right that we shouldn't just expect one to be around. To be honest, pikachu might even be the least likely pokemon to be around, because we were told to go for non-standard!

[Chickenfish]

Sup. So, do you say it poke-mon or poh-kee-mon?
I'm kidding, but other than basic basic stuff, I won't know what's going on here.
My 3 picks were about the only 3 'non-standard' pokemanz I could think of.

I like Deva's long post, but I'm not sure about needing to tell us that the list was made prior to a role PM being sent.

Lataro is being Lataro so far.

Matt seems eager, but new This will change, I'm sure, but keep up the eagerness.

Boomfrog seems solid for now - good discussion. I would like to see MN claim his pokemon, to be honest. I feel like he scouted out the miller claim a little, is it not fairly well known that millers should claim? I feel more like he could be scum wanting to feel out if we would be accepting of a miller in the game.

Definitely eager, only slightly new though
I used to play years ago, back when the most complex role seemed to be paranoid cop. So, with who knows how many abilities running around, and not having played many closed games, I'm new to the format.
However, not new to the logic needed to be applied to the game - so despite the fact that I may have issue expressing myself, please trust the logic behind my posts!

In terms of MN claiming - how do you feel about my concerns? Also, how does him claiming his pokemon help us distinguish miller from scum? He could be a 'bad' pokemon and the flavour in his PM could easily be "you're sick of working for Team Rocket so you came looking for those good kids you keep running into" or something (worded better, I hope ) - it would be another justification for a miller in the game.

On the whole I'm definitely suspicious of MN (kinda the point of a miller, right?), but just not convinced claiming will clear it up either way.

Other than that this is sticking out to me:

In case it's not clear, it's not actually a serious vote...

I mean if it was not serious why do an actual vote and risk a band wagon. Using the rolly eye emote doesn't make you innocent you know.

1) There was no risk involved whatsoever - with 16 players, a joke vote at the start of the game isn't going to quickly setup a bandwagon lynch.
2) If somebody had tried to jump on the wagon and thrown out a second vote, we'd have picked up a pretty blatant scum tell. Alas, that seems not to have happened.

1) Exactly. Even if you haven't played in quite some time, you must be aware of this. FoS: Gojoe
2) Exactly wrong. How is a second vote in a 16 person game a 'pretty blatant scum tell'? If I unvote, will somebody vote Misnomer so I can put the second vote on him and teach him a lesson?

[Gojoe]

Mr Mime will probably be around, as this is at Ash's house. We have psyduck in the flavour, which means that we can have pokemon from Misty and Brock hanging around as well.

Except that the mod didn't pick the pokemon, we did - we can't rely on any pokemon being around just because it would make sense from the cartoon for them to be here.

Other than that this is sticking out to me:

In case it's not clear, it's not actually a serious vote...

I mean if it was not serious why do an actual vote and risk a band wagon. Using the rolly eye emote doesn't make you innocent you know.

1) There was no risk involved whatsoever - with 16 players, a joke vote at the start of the game isn't going to quickly setup a bandwagon lynch.
2) If somebody had tried to jump on the wagon and thrown out a second vote, we'd have picked up a pretty blatant scum tell. Alas, that seems not to have happened.

I disagree. First off. Why is a joke vote fine for you to do. But as soon as anyone else follows it is suddenly okay. Also people are stupid. I didnt know you were joking. And its bugging me. You pretty much said its fine for me to joke around but if anyone else agrees with me or follows suit for any reason then its not a joke anymore.

[Misnomer]

It would depend on the exact circumstances of the vote, but yes, a swift second vote on the same person is supicious - it smacks of over-enthusiastic newbie scum, leaping on the first chance to lynch a non-townie.

[Gojoe]

I still don't like it. You are pinging my scumdar a bit too hard.

[_infina_]

We each picked at least 3 pokemon didn't we? There's a lot of options flying around.

However, you're right that we shouldn't just expect one to be around. To be honest, pikachu might even be the least likely pokemon to be around, because we were told to go for non-standard!

That being, I only got my third choice, so it looks like I have a good chance of knowing what two existing pokemon are.

I have some ideas on how powers were distributed to roles, but I want to see a role reveal first before saying anything. Remind me on day two please.

[greenlover]

It would depend on the exact circumstances of the vote, but yes, a swift second vote on the same person is supicious - it smacks of over-enthusiastic newbie scum, leaping on the first chance to lynch a non-townie.

I... really hope you meant townie instead of non-townie. 'cause that would make more sense. Anyway, I got my first choice, if it important.

I really appreciate Diva's long post - I haven't played the game in a long time, and am thus rusty on how it works. If Tim based this game on the TV show... I'll just hide in a corner with the wikipedia article on it because I've never seen it.

On Misnomers joke vote... I really don't see how it could be taken as anything other than a joke vote. Admittedly, in a game with a lot of newbies, such a vote isn't really a bright idea, especially because this forum tends to play mafia a good deal slower than other forums I've played on, but I don't see how its suspicious. However, I disagree that a quick second vote would indicate newbie scum, since it's also perfectly possible for a newbie to just follow along after the experienced player's vote hoping that that player knows what he is doing.