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by **roband** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:06 am UTC

Crap. So technically, the Alliance could be gone?
Which would leave us with the crew, the reavers and any indies.

Incidentally, talking of indies - we can't believe BF's claim. He could be bold scum.

by **mpolo** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:57 am UTC

Alliance could be gone, and we haven't seen a whole lot of evidence of their presence -- but maybe they don't have a kill or don't always have a kill. Or something. The only kill we've been seeing really looks like a Jayne thing to me. It doesn't make sense for Reavers to be using guns. Unless Jayne has been culted and kept his power, of course.

by **BoomFrog** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:51 pm UTC

roband wrote:Wanna share your win situation?

No thanks.

You totally shoulda claimed town-aligned by the way, Mr Universe does nothing but help the gang in the movie...

/foreheadslap

by **Sungura** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:16 pm UTC

I'm thinking we dont have any alliance left. If we are at 7 players and 3 potential night recruits (assuming only 2 original which we got already) that would be possibly MYLO as the mod said it was, and that fits. If we have a recruit and kill about, it would still be possibly MYLO with assuming a failed cult night and hence only 2 reavers left. We got the major Alliance character and then some "all in one" operative character. A cult this strong as it's been proven to be with a large mafia would have been heavily imbalanced.

That said, I still have my feelings that Angua is cult from the previous days. And mpolo's role sits with me funny...we already have a doctor role with Simon so there is a jailkeeper as well? I guess with Az being blocked so much though, it lines up to confirm the blocking so I tend to believe that. Also, having two protect roles makes sense with a high powered cult that can continue recruiting. HOWEVER, I dont like that he was blocking our inventor constantly. That puts a huge power role to be no better than vanilla. Additionally, Az has been very anti-cult as well, using his inventions to help us destroy cult. I will buy the redbutton blunder of day one that he honestly didn't know what it would do. Someone who can invent and is willing to go after you, is a logical person to block every night.

If we follow this path of logic, it means cultees keep their powers.

So...the way I'm seeing this pull together now is Reaver Cult can:
- recruit every night
- recruitees keep their role powers

This would be a cult like the Matrix Smith cult was, which basically easily runs the entire game without heavy combatant.

The original two alliance people likely were to help balance, they'll hit cult as much as town. And then two protect roles to stop cultings. And we have a kill out there which seems to be trying to help (N1 - alliance, N2 - reaver, N3 - blocked?, N4 - blocked?, N5-missed hit town, but MN was being very suspicious so not a horrible try).

Okay so basically right now mpolo due to recent things come to light, and angua from my previous suspicions, are two of two or two of three reavers left. Also, it is interesting they are Walsh and Zoe. As it makes sense Walsh and Zoe would be masons together with Mal, I am hoping that it wasn't a two-for-one recruit.

by **Azrael001** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:20 pm UTC

In the matrix, once the cult got one of the masons group, the rest were quick to be assimilated.

by **Sungura** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:11 pm UTC

Oh right, I was Trinity and you were Morpheus and Tigerlion was Neo, right? After I lead a Machine lynch they nabbed me, then you but Neo was uncultable, and then we got Kells who gave us our Inventor, and town was screwed, especially since Smiths were able to form an alliance with the Machines to get rid of the town at the start but the Machines when they started to get worried about the Smith's power it was too late, they were then no match for Smiths and Smiths (cult) won.

Basically...I see this setup being super similar to that game but probably slightly better balanced with the two protect roles and more town power roles. Except I dont think we have Machines (aka Alliance) left as it seems we got them day 1/night 1 so that is good, but we still have the recruiting Smiths (aka Reavers). So I think we still stand a chance as it's only possibly MYLO. We just have to hit Reaver today with our lynch for sure, right? Ok let me think numbers

Worst case, 7 of us, 3 of the 4 reavers
We don't lynch:
Hope our (seems like vig?) hits a reaver target, they can still nab a cult, tomorrow starts 3 cult 3 town
vig hits town, they cult, tomorrow starts 2 town 4 reavers, reaver win
vig hits reaver, they dont get a cult (unlikely as I think the blocker is a reaver so they can assure a cult, prettymuch), tomorrow starts 2 reaver 4 town
vig hits town, they dont cult, tomorrow starts 3 town 3 reaver
= - + =
So kinda neutral-bad, ends in 2 LYLO, 1 MYLO, 1 Reaver win

We lynch, get reaver
vig hits reaver, they cult, tomorrow starts 2 reaver 3 town
vig hits reaver, they dont cult, tomorrow starts 1 reaver 4 town
vig hits town, they cult, tomorrow starts 3 reaver 2 town
vig hits town, they dont cult, tomorrow starts 2 reaver 3 town
+ + - +
Overall good, 2 MYLO, 1 close-to-win, 1 loss

We lynch, get town (night starts 3 reaver 3 town)
vig hits reaver, they cult, tomorrow starts 3 reaver 2 town
vig hits reaver, they dont cult, tomorrow starts 2 reaver 3 town
vig hits town, they cult, tomorrow starts 4 reaver 1 town
vig hits town, they dont cult, tomorrow starts 3 reaver 2 town
- + - -
Overall bad, 1 MYLO, 3 loss

So...we really want to hit reaver with this lynch or it might be better to no-lynch. However, I am sure enough about either angua or mpolo though I'm willing to stake my rep on voting one of them. I'd rather go after mpolo as I trust angua is basically vanilla without power, and mpolo could easily try blocking vig which would be bad. We already know he's been blocking a huge town power role the last few nights which does not seem like a good use to me. Would have made way more sense to leave that up to Simon to doctor him so he could still use his power and instead try blocking reavers to prevent recruits.

I know I'm drawing assumptions from what I've seen play out so far though, so if someone has different thoughts about where we are, what is best to do might change so it's definitly worth looking at from multiple angles. I admit I'm kinda stuck in my kill-the-reavers mode, but I do think it is with good reason considering how this has played out with reavers poping up everywhere, and it makes sense with the possible MYLO warning number-wise.

PS someone please check my number running...I found a mistake or two when I double checked this before posting I think i got them all but just in case i missed something.

by **roband** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:28 pm UTC

I'm useless at the number game, so my checking wouldn't help, I fear.

I would be happy with an mpolo lynch.

by **mpolo** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:27 pm UTC

1. Angua --> CLAIMED ZOE (masons with Captain Reynolds)
2. Sungura --> no claim (but recruit-immune)
3. ~~Adacore~~ Killed N2 - River Tam
4.~~greenlover~~ Killed N1 - The Operative
5. BoomFrog --> CLAIMED MR. UNIVERSE (independent)
6. ~~b.i.o~~ Misnomer
7. ~~ForAllOfThis~~ - Lynched D5 - Shepard Derrial Book
8. roband --> CLAIMED INARA (vanilla)
9. mpolo --> CLAIMED WASH (jailkeeper)
10. ~~mrface~~ Lynched D3 - Reaver
11. Azrael001 --> CLAIMED KAYLEE (inventor)
12. ~~Gopher of Pern~~ Lynched D1 - Lawrence Dobson
13. ~~TheSecondShadow~~ Lynched D4 - Saffron
14. ~~Chandani devourke~~ Lynched D5 - Captain Reynolds
15. ~~Mostlynormal~~ - Killed N5 - Simon Tam
16. ~~PhoenixEnigma~~ Fire Brns Killed D4 - Reaver

Looking at the list, Sungura's claimed power doesn't really sound like Jayne. I suppose it could be, but I am really thinking that the shots are coming from a vig, and I suspect that Sungura would shoot straighter than our vig has to date.

Which means that Misnomer must be Jayne by process of elimination, leaving the question of who Sungura might be. And I am wondering if it might not be anti-town or neutral-independent at this point, as the crew is spoken for.

That said, containing the Reaver threat is a greater priority at the moment. I am pretty certain that Azrael is not cult (I only protected him twice, but he was so clearly anti-cult at that time, that I am pretty certain of his being clear.) As things are standing, I need to leave some wine about whether I'll be protecting him or not, so as not to automatically attract a recruit or kill on him. I realize that blocking/protecting him was probably a mistake last night, but I was truly worried that he was going to be converted.

There is obviously a temptation to latch onto the one who is actively trying to lynch the only active protection against recruitment we have left. I haven't really seen any other anti-social behavior in roband, though, so I'm going to have to look farther.

by **roband** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:46 pm UTC

Or BF could be scum, Misnomer could be Mr Universe and Sungura is someone else

I don't trust you dude, sorry.

by **Azrael001** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:12 am UTC

My brain is pretty fried right now, but I am suspicious of everyone, and this makes picking one person very difficult.

by **Azrael001** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:39 pm UTC

I find the Inara=vanilla claim hard to believe, but I suppose that there is a chance that the claim was a name claim, so as to prove townyness, whilst also making oneself a low priority target. If fact she seems like someone who could be a jailer a la Wash much more than Wash. If she is the one doing it, and telling Wash about it (in reaver chat) then he could say that it was him, and she can keep using her role block, after we kill him for blocking me.

Or Wash could be telling the truth, and I could be crazy.

by **Angua** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:08 pm UTC

Meh:

Vote: Amy

She's probably not Jayne, as an unrecruitable vig sounds pretty powerful.

by **mpolo** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:30 pm UTC

roband wrote:Or BF could be scum, Misnomer could be Mr Universe and Sungura is someone else

I don't trust you dude, sorry.

I'm going on the basis of "no one has counter-claimed", obviously. I tend to be over-trusting of claims anyway.

by **Misnomer** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:39 pm UTC

Vanilla Inara really just doesn't make sense to me. I certainly believe that Roband is Inara, due to the lack of a counter-claim, but I'm wondering if he's lost his powers due to recruitment?

BF's claim also sits really uneasily with me. Irritation at an annoying survivor-y role aside, ~~it's the only claim we've had of a movie character.~~ IGNORE ME I'M AN IDIOT. Still uneasy about the claim though.

I can think of a few roles that Sungura might be, but I can't understand why any of them would make her reaver-immune.

Zoe and Wash claims are also somewhat odd, but are occupying a lower plane of suspicion atm.

If we're still thinking along the lines of the original reavers being more dangerous than the recruits, then BF and Amy have got to be my suspects, despite my doubts about Roband.

Vote: BoomFrog

On a side note, I have no counterclaims to make.

by **Misnomer** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:30 pm UTC

Somewhat belated EBWOP:

Vote: BoomFrog

Damn blueness...

by **Azrael001** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:00 pm UTC

Boom Frog? Really? His could be a clever false claim, being a character that didn't play a huge part in even the movie, let alone existing in the show, and thereby being unlikely to be counter claimed. I don't think that this is the case however, and I think that as far as conversion candidates, he is pretty far down the list.

Amy could be telling the truth and still be a reaver. The first reaver wouldn't be able to be converted.

by **Sungura** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:19 pm UTC

Well I've seen no new evidence of anything so I'm going to go ahead and vote for someone who I believe is a likely a reaver/scum. There is no excuse for keeping a huge town power role in lockdown night after night especially when there is a doctor to protect a powerful claimed and verified character. And the walsh/zoe connection being likely masons together means that since I believe Angua, who has claimed Zoe, has been a reaver for a few days (see prior posts of mine) that means Walsh is likely quickly going to be one too. It always happens that way in games with cults and masons. Once the cult gets a mason the rest get culted too. So to ensure that the town gets to use power tonight, and to get rid of a reaver:

Vote: mpolo

by **mpolo** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:49 pm UTC

I am still unsure about Amy, but I do believe she's not a Reaver. I suppose there is no proof that she's really recruit-proof, but with her reputation for honesty, I have to give her that. She has not claimed to be town or even pro-town, as far as I can tell. She says I should have just counted on the doctor to protect Azrael, but I think it rather unlikely that Simon was an anti-recruitment doctor, so I wasn't going to risk it.

Whoever has the kill killed our doctor last night. I am guessing that that person is Misnomer. [He has denied being Mr. Universe, so is either Jayne or some role that we're not sure of.]

BoomFrog's claim is not completely reassuring (or completely to be taken at face value, as Mr. Universe is hardly a guaranteed character for the game), but I can't see going after a claimed survivor in the current constellation.

As Misnomer stated, it is surprising that Inara would be just vanilla. But I wouldn't put it past roband to hide some aspect of his role if he didn't think it necessary to reveal that point. The only thing that makes me nervous about him is his gunning for me.

Angua is voting for Amy, which I think is suboptimal, because I don't think she's a reaver. Otherwise, fairly quiet.

And Azrael is fully townie -- undisputed town power claim, and protected from the reavers the last two nights.

Which leaves me with:

Vote: Misnomer

Because by my calculations, he must be the one controlling the only kill around, and that kill has been hitting townies for the most part [it did apparently hit a just-turned Reaver one night, so if I am right, he was not a reaver at that point of the game].

by **_infina_** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:30 am UTC

Votals:
Amy - 1 (Angua)
Boomfrog - 1 (Misnomer)
mpolo - 1 (Amy)
Misnomer - 1 (mpolo)

by **roband** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:01 pm UTC

I'm not drunk, but a couple beers worse for wear - let's see where this leads.
The following is all gut feelings.

I have always suspected Amy of being anti town. Let's say she is, but not a reaver, as mpolo suggests.
That makes her alliance.
angua - not sure right now
boomfrog - claimed Mr Universe, very wary of his 'independent' claim - let's assume reaver.
misnomer - unclaimed, unsure
roband - I know I'm town.
mpolo - claimed Wash, jailkeeper, power sounds like a lie - admits to RBing (and claims to have been doctoring) Az for the last few nights - I suspect reaver
az - claimed Kaylee, inventor, currently I think he's still town.

If me, Az and (angua OR misnomer) are town - there are 3 reavers; BF, mpolo and (misnomer OR angua) - 1 alliance; Amy - and there are no indies.

3-3-1 with the alliance holding a kill could mean MYLO, I think. A bit hazy on that.
If so, we need to remove the team with the kill - as they guarantee to reduce town numbers.

I have a potential proposal... Reavers - one of you give yourselves up. We lynch you, and you recruit Amy tonight. I would hope she would lose her kill (as it's probably factional and not role based). That leaves us at 3-3 tomorrow and we don't know who any of you are...
The pressure is then on us to lynch the right one of you, or you win. That probably doesn't make sense, I'm tired.

by **BoomFrog** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:07 am UTC

Posting to keep my vote.

Hint: there are no more "original" Reavers, that's why FAOT wanted to push people to look for them.

by **Azrael001** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:18 am UTC

That is possible, but I think that we should still look at those people who have dubious, or no claim.

by **mpolo** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:21 am UTC

Of course, Amy claims to be unrecruitable, which would have that strategy fail at a very early point in the process.

by **Sungura** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:09 pm UTC

Okay I'm friggin sick and tired of slow game and shitty logic so sorry if this is strong or rude but I have reached my limit of patience.

roband wrote:I'm not drunk, but a couple beers worse for wear - let's see where this leads.
The following is all gut feelings.

I have always suspected Amy of being anti town. Let's say she is, but not a reaver, as mpolo suggests.
That makes her alliance.
angua - not sure right now
boomfrog - claimed Mr Universe, very wary of his 'independent' claim - let's assume reaver.
misnomer - unclaimed, unsure
roband - I know I'm town.
mpolo - claimed Wash, jailkeeper, power sounds like a lie - admits to RBing (and claims to have been doctoring) Az for the last few nights - I suspect reaver
az - claimed Kaylee, inventor, currently I think he's still town.

If me, Az and (angua OR misnomer) are town - there are 3 reavers; BF, mpolo and (misnomer OR angua) - 1 alliance; Amy - and there are no indies.

3-3-1 with the alliance holding a kill could mean MYLO, I think. A bit hazy on that.
If so, we need to remove the team with the kill - as they guarantee to reduce town numbers.

I have a potential proposal... Reavers - one of you give yourselves up. We lynch you, and you recruit Amy tonight. I would hope she would lose her kill (as it's probably factional and not role based). That leaves us at 3-3 tomorrow and we don't know who any of you are...
The pressure is then on us to lynch the right one of you, or you win. That probably doesn't make sense, I'm tired.

I'm sorry but I dont follow any of this.

Okay so we'll follow your assumption that we are 3-3-1 with 3 reavers 3 town and 1 alliance.
Reavers are, with that assumption, in a terrific place. With almost controlling the votes, and the votes as spread out as they are today, they could lynch someone. This is why I keep saying our town HAS to come together and vote a reaver off NOW. This lollygaggling is giving them the upper hand as it is especially with random votes thrown down and no concensous. Why on EARTH would they give one of their own up and then agree to recruit me, when I just claimed unrecruitable? Why woudln't they go into N6 with 3 strong against 3 left, make a final recruit and run the game there on out???

This is why I have been saying all along, a cult that can KEEP ON RECRUITING IS EXTREEMLY DANGEROUS AND NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT. Because as fast as we can lynch them, they regenerate. Our ONLY hope is that our killer keeps hitting them at night AND we lynch them. Especially since I believe mpolo to be one they are controling our total-protect which means we have lost that.

Azrael001 wrote:Amy could be telling the truth and still be a reaver. The first reaver wouldn't be able to be converted.

Az, come on, this is stupid and you know it. If I were original reaver WHY THE FRACK WOULD I HAVE HANDED YOU THE TWO ORIGINAL REAVERS AND MULTIPLE CONVERTS UP UNTIL THIS POINT!??! And I've been pushing for original reaver lynch since the beginning! You know I'm not a reaver, you played in the Matrix you know how powerful cults like that are.

Bottom line is this: IF WE LYNCH ANYONE BUT A REAVER TODAY, WE ARE FUCKED. I dont know how else to get that through everyone's head. We have at least 4 non-reavers today, 5 at best. This means we need a UNIFIED TOWN VOTE AND FAST. I have proven accuracy throughout this game with picking out the bad guys. If anything, just be lazy as so many of you have been throughout the game and vote mpolo. If you aren't lazy, look at the logic and find it sound, OR propose someone else that is reaver to lynch that you think is a better chance of being reaver.

by **roband** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:13 pm UTC

But you're not denying being Alliance. Curious. Was it you who said that you never lie in games?

Like I qualified at the start of that post, it was all speculative (and powered by beer). Looking back, it doesn't make much sense, but if I'd struck gold with my thinking, it would have been handy.

You're right about lynching reavers, if there are 3 of them.
If there are 2, I'd rather lynch Alliance and get rid of a kill - because otherwise we risk losing two townies tonight (one kill and one possible recruit).

I'd rather lynch you, Amy.

by **Sungura** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:35 pm UTC

Even though the kill that is left is clearly a vig kill? Which we need to control the population of reavers longterm?

N1 - killed alliance
N2 - killed reaver
N3 - nk, blocked?
N4 - nk, blocked?
N5 - killed a highly suspected reaver/alliance by everyone

As I said, if we SIMPLY lynch reaver, they still have at least 2 if not 3 left, so they still restock their numbers. To get out ahead, we need to lynch them AND have our vig hit them, TONIGHT.

If you know my meta of not lying, you should also know my meta of not claiming unless absolutely necessary because I always felt 1) kinda game-breaking with the prior meta and 2) my ACTIONS of being friggin' spot-on with targets helpful for town speak louder than text. And claiming when it becomes absolutely necessary in my experience rarely ever helps anyway, once town wants to lynch me, they lynch me even if I claim town, despite the prior meta. Happened all the time. Hell there was one game when the doctor AND cop both backed my town claim and I was STILL lynched by the town.

So, I appeal to people based on sound LOGIC.

by **Sungura** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:38 pm UTC

ebwop for clarification
"As I said, if we SIMPLY lynch reaver, they still have at least 2 if not 3 left, so they still restock their numbers. To get out ahead, we need to lynch them AND have our vig hit them, TONIGHT."

I mean 2 or 3 TODAY exist, if we lynch one going into night there is still 1 or 2, so a culting will happen restocking the number back to 2 or 3 UNLESS the vig hits them which keeps their number down at 1 or 2, or if we are very lucky depending on how actions are processed or a failed recruit or something, maybe 0. But we need that vig kill tonight.

by **Azrael001** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:17 pm UTC

I agree with everything that you've said so far Amy, and I believe that you are town. I am similarly afraid that town is being really dumb right now. Most of my paranoid ranting has come from posting whilst sleep deprived.

Now that I'm awake I will submit to you the following. No town player can submit a vote right now unless we have reached consensus first. As soon as someone votes wrong, then the reavers can immediately push the lynch through and win, either today or tomorrow.

If I were forced to vote right now I'd vote Roband.

My list from most to least trusted:

Azrael001 - I am me.
Sungura - Amy is awesome. I get afraid of thinking that someone is super town because that's the person who can most easily pull the wool over your eyes. Hence paranoia.
Angua - Under the radar mostly, Only this high up because everyone else is lower.
boomfrog - Claimed independent.
misnomer - Bad feelings, that is all
mpolo - Blocked me (also protected me?) Seems fishy
roband - Super bad feelings. Also want to lynch Amy, who tells the truth.

by **Angua** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:22 pm UTC

Ok, if you want us to only lynch someone who's been agreed upon.

unvote.

I'm happy with a roband lynch. Reavers seem to be our worst enemy at the moment, and going after Amy because she might be alliance seems odd. I just went for Boomfrog because I don't trust indy claims, and they said they wouldn't help town.

by **Azrael001** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:30 pm UTC

I think that, if Boomfrog is telling the truth, and he hasn't been converted, then there is a good chance that he has got a lot of information about everyone that he is not allowed to reveal.

by **Sungura** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:11 pm UTC

I'm super sure of mpolo reaver so I'm not worried about my vote but I do see your point so I'll unvote so we can unify then vote.

Unvote (unofficially: vote still on mpolo)

My list of most to least trusted:
Me (duh)
Azrael - helped the town lots, has not given me any reason not to trust him and I understand his paranoia
Misnomer - i trusted bio from the start who Misnomer replaced. while i dont agree with all of his recent logic he's not done anything anti-town really
Boomfrog - there is nothing good nor bad about either kinda neutral on my scale, I see him as potentially having useful information and he is willing to vote with the town but there is some uneasiness, so just kinda balances to neutral
Roband - bad feelings but nothing more specific than I posted about 2 game days ago, and I dont like how he keeps being after me it doesn't make sense that even now he still is but then again that may colour my view, dont understand how Inara is vanilla, could see him as a third reaver though
Angua - Still think she is reaver, and with her quick unvote and being happy to vote Roband, this makes me wonder if Roband is indeed town because they'd just want any town gone doesnt really matter who
mpolo - Blocked a huge town power role mutliple nights, very bad vibes, honestly both him and angua can be the same level of my top don't trust them list.

I would like an mpolo lynch obviously. I would go with a unified town vote for Roband because I trust Az but I dont think he is the best pick nor am I sure he is reaver, especially since I really think Angua is reaver and she is so happy to vote him so I dont think he is a good pick.

by **Azrael001** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:23 pm UTC

I'm quite happy with either of the two, my habit of reading the thread at two or three in the morning has made my scumdar all kinds of buggy. Hence Paranoia.

by **roband** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:41 pm UTC

Az - you are the only person I'm happy with as town. Please re-evaluate your view of me based on that?

OF COURSE Angua is happy to vote me! She's happy to vote any town player. Now I'm sure - Misnomer = town and Angua is a reaver.

I'm more worse for wear based on beer intake that I was last night, but please be sensible here. Who are you going to lynch? roband, claimed vanilla inara (and pissed off about it) or overpowered Wash the fucking superhero who can RB and doctor one target each night?
Be sensible.

by **Sungura** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:59 pm UTC

roband wrote:OF COURSE Angua is happy to vote me! She's happy to vote any town player. Now I'm sure - Misnomer = town and Angua is a reaver.

I do agree with this. Angua plays safe followalong games and as such she jumps to vote whoever looks good for her to vote for as soon as someone else starts it up. She's played that way the whole game and called it "how she plays" but to me it's been worse this game than others I've seen her play in.

Where did the Misnomer = town come from though? Angua voted me earlier today not Misnomer.

Anyway, so we have three of us who will vote for mpolo (or angua) (me, Az, and roband) if I am reading things right. We need a fourth.

Boomfrog, you said you'd help the town in a tie thing, there are 7 people so you will possibly (if we have 3 reavers left) be a tie so will you agree to vote with us as you said you would?

by **roband** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:07 pm UTC

In My Eyes (get it? reference to my title), Angua and Misnomer = 1 reaver, 1 town.

Just the read I have.

by **BoomFrog** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:16 am UTC

Ready to tie-break if necessary. But I'll be surprised if the voting actually comes to a 3 vs 3 split along town-scum lines.

by **mpolo** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:39 am UTC

In good faith, I'll:

Unvote

Amy's discussion in the last few pages has made it seem likely that she does have a kill, which would make sense has a counterbalance to the reavers (if the kill is unrecruitable, the reavers are much more containable). Amy and Misnomer seem to have to be one Jayne and the other Alliance. Amy has not denied being Alliance, but hasn't really made any solid claims as that is her playstyle. If her kill is Alliance, then that kill would have become recruitable if had been lynched.

That means I am back to thinking Amy is town, and Misnomer being Alliance. This is all very tenuous, though. It would be an exceptionally strong power that I am imagining for Amy, though I suppose it fits with the strength of my power. Amy said she hinted at the rest of her power, but as I'm headed to lunch, that will have to wait.

It does make roband's gunning for Amy more nefarious, though.

by **roband** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:46 am UTC

Mpolo and Angua as reavers is rather fitting really, Wash and Zoe - eating flesh and wearing skin, together. Cute.
That's what is making sense to me right now.

However, the missing info is what's making me unsure how to proceed. Amy says we need to kill a reaver - she wouldn't be pushing that unless it benefits her in some way. I don't want anything to benefit Amy, as I think she's Alliance.

Az, Misnomer, I'm fairly certain you guys are town - you basically have to be, for us to still be here. Can you think on how to proceed?

by **Sungura** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:07 pm UTC

roband wrote:However, the missing info is what's making me unsure how to proceed. Amy says we need to kill a reaver - she wouldn't be pushing that unless it benefits her in some way.

Of course it benefits me. The only way for town to win is to get rid of the reavers and by numbers if we dont lynch reaver today we are very likely SOL (see my rundown earlier).

by **roband** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:10 pm UTC

You're still not denying being Alliance. I do not want an Alliance kill active tonight - or town are definitely boned.

If there are only 2 reavers, we can be recruited and still win, if we lynch Alliance. Even if we lynch a reaver, one kill and one recruit leaves us losing.

I'm going to say that again because it's important,

If there are only 2 reavers, we can be recruited and still win, if we lynch Alliance. Even if we lynch a reaver, one kill and one recruit leaves us losing.

You're trying to mislead town, in my opinion.

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