[T] PYPokémafia - Discussion thread

[t1mm01994]

FAOT

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Nope, just his style of speaking..

[ForAllOfThis]

FAOT

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Nope, just his style of speaking..

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I have to wonder if Deva has played mass effect 2/3 recently and is purposely being like mordin. I would never get anything done if my writing style was similar to that. It can take me ages to write up a mafia post as it is. I suppose the upside to being so 'clear and concise' is that it stops people trying to read between the lines.

[roband]

FAOT

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Nope, just his style of speaking..

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I have to wonder if Deva has played mass effect 2/3 recently and is purposely being like mordin. I would never get anything done if my writing style was similar to that. It can take me ages to write up a mafia post as it is. I suppose the upside to being so 'clear and concise' is that it stops people trying to read between the lines.

FAOT can read

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This is something that lead on from a comment made elsewhere on the forum. I don't recall exactly what it was, but Deva decide to start typing like so and hasn't stopped.

FAOT cannot read

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lololol nothing to say here

FAOT - don't quote me or the second spoiler will be revealed.

[Deva]

PYPokemafia

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Reactions vote. Right.

Retracting that Jester guess for ConMan. Still confused by that logic. Appreciates an analysis after only requesting lynch candidates…and receiving none from anyone else. Extracted something useful out of the claim, too. Plans for tomorrow:

If Town (and one nightkill): Lynch Lataro or chase geese.
If Independent: Better than nothing (in most cases).
If Mafia: Rejoice.
If Town (and two nightkills): Shrugs. Lose soon, probably.

Official Guess: Mafia Metapod. (Decided on Metapod after the flavor.)

Oh, right. Needs a night target. Could (and likely should) withhold it. Boring.
Lataro: No.
Angua: Not the cop. Wants to mitigate the risk. (Will probably absorb another cop now.)
fearless: Posts too little. Better off with _infina_.
Chandani: Posted at the very end of today.
Mostlynormal: No.
Gojoe: Acts shady purposefully. No.
Woopate: Prone to disappearance.
matt96: Appears to read the thread. Never posts much on useful things. Posts less frequently too. Voted for Lataro. Stealing the Ash’s Side comment from ConMan.

…Solved nothing. Not changing the flavor now. Saw unanimous pro-Angua talk. Cannot look for changes. Who might cop a Super Town? Gojoe. Who might die tonight? Gojoe (but probably not). Cannot read him. See also: the Discussion thread title.

Why not Angua (again)? Performed the worst possible night action already. Cannot do worse…unless they are Mafia/Independent/Theoretical Scientist. Still has a Town result. Cannot fix this with vague or specific information. Depends on Lataro in that case (a decent chance).

Searched for meta information. Discovered a mistake in the Alignments spreadsheet. Had Angua as Mafia in Magicians instead of a-wan. Anyways, short version: Probably good. Mentioned acting more aggressively. Can never be sure. Works with the flavor, though.

And yet, no more confident than before. Hates using it on the same person. Imagine getting roleblocked to oblivion. May as well be powerless.

Smolders. Picked matt96 by elimination. Using this as a Psuedo-Watcher again. Not expecting any traffic. Totally admitting this power with a second cop absorption. Bothersome with one.

[wam]

FAOT

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Nope, just his style of speaking..

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I have to wonder if Deva has played mass effect 2/3 recently and is purposely being like mordin. I would never get anything done if my writing style was similar to that. It can take me ages to write up a mafia post as it is. I suppose the upside to being so 'clear and concise' is that it stops people trying to read between the lines.

FAOT can read

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This is something that lead on from a comment made elsewhere on the forum. I don't recall exactly what it was, but Deva decide to start typing like so and hasn't stopped.

FAOT cannot read

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lololol nothing to say here

FAOT - don't quote me or the second spoiler will be revealed.

Roband

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That second spoiler is awesome/incredibly harsh

[ForAllOfThis]

Roband:

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You do realise I'm not playing?

[Lataro]

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So, pretty sure I'm sunk, but I got an extra day of life out of the deal!

Totally am killing gojoe, if he's scum, he's being very obvious scum, if he is town, then his "scummy town" just cost him.

Pretty sure he is scum though. It'd be an insult to scum everywhere if he got away with how he's playing it though, and thus, must die.

[roband]

FAOT: Hahahahaha. No, I did not realise that

[ConMan]

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Well, I played that pretty poorly, didn't I? And I'm pretty sure there's no Max Revives in my future ...

[Deva]

PYPokemafia

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Boggles. Absorbed the cop result again. How is that possible? Deserves a half-win with Mafia.

Plans to claim. Has an idea. Figures something like:

"Claim: Power Watcher. Requests your night action targets. Please mention if your power is untargetable."

Endangers the Redirector and other roles, however. Leaves the problem of two false cop results too. Looks suspicious without ever visiting Lataro.

Likes a normal full claim…wait. Could Chandani have been the cop? Never thought of Gyarados as a Paranoid (Water) Gun Owner.

Guessed everything else incorrectly. Why not one more time?

[Deva]

PYPokemafia

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Did you miss Day Three? Will summarize most of it with an image.

The Secret of Mankey Island

Sunk the ship shortly after landing.

[Deva]

PYPokemafia

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Cannot intuit out of a paper bag. May still ask questions. Helps those who can.

Current perceptions:
Town: Angua, Mostlynormal, and fearless.
Mafia: Gojoe and matt96. (…Lataro influence? Signals doom.)
Questionable: Woopate.
Cop: fearless. (Running out of possibilities on that.)

Official spectrum: (Mafia) | Gojoe | matt96 | Woopate | Mostlynormal | fearless | Angua | (Town)

Why fearless? Thought about what _infina_ said. Wanted a role reveal for some reason. Seems cop-ish in hindsight, somehow. Suddenly posted more too. Coincidence? Maybe. Considered the possibility just before Day Four.

Why is Mostlynormal back under Town? Acts too aggressive for Mafia.

Placed Gojoe and matt96 in Mafia…partially due to Lataro. Never voiced many opinions except late in the day.

New theory of Lataro’s powers. Assumptions:
1. A Town doctor on Night Three. Probably Chandani. Targeted Gojoe.
2. Redirect: Gojoe and Lataro.
3. Lataro: Same one-shot resurrection as before.

Explains itself. Is that more likely than the benefactor theory? Shrugs. About equal. Needs Lataro alive, possibly. Loses with a successful Lataro lynch and a three person Mafia.

[Deva]

PYPokemafia

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Woo quadruple post.

Joined the Masons, led by and consisting of matt96.

Cannot think of any Mafia or Independent power like this. Thank you for doing that before a vote on you. Lacks the trust to switch abruptly.

Wrote really appropriate flavor last night, apparently.

[t1mm01994]

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C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

No, but finally, /finally/ a plan has come together. Matt has found Deva, who's now giving a masterclass of Mafia, pretty much.. And doing a dang good job of it. Bar Angua, he's right on all accounts.. Just missed a couple stuffs earlier in the game.

[roband]

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Oh god, they have to lynch Angua now, surely?

I mean, that's a terrible strategy...

[t1mm01994]

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Well, what they have to do is not that clear at this moment. it's 4-3-1, as they have correctly stated. Lynch Lataro, next day 3-3 without saving powers --> loss. Lynch townie, and in the best case (lataro and scum kill eachother), 3-2. Lynch scum, and in worst case, 2-2-1 which still is a loss. Worst case scenario: They've lost. Best case scenario: They have a chance at winning.

[Deva]

PYPokemafia

At Gojoe. Please do not view this as a living player.

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Edit: Retracts the original question. Felt too snippety and unfair. Overemphasized the "quiet" aspect of (some forms of) scumminess. Posted more than several others. Impacted the game’s course (especially Day One).

Will keep the final question from this spoiler. Liked it more.

What do you enjoy about Mafia games?

[Angua]

When is it going to be day again?

[t1mm01994]

13 hours from now (creating flavour + sleeping)

[Woopate]

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Am I the mystery voice!? Today's was quite blatant but there are others that match things I scumchatted loosely.

[Deva]

PYPokemafia

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Finally. Four days alive as a Lightning Rod? Unseemly. Prevented total defeat with that time, at least.

Final alignment guesses:
Town: matt96, fearless, and Mostlynormal
Mafia: Angua and Woopate
Independent: Lataro (and out of extra lives).

Reads. Yayness. Figured it out in the end. Informed matt96 of these guesses before dying, fortunately. Instructed him to lynch Angua. Also told him to be wary of other power claims. Might lead to Mostlynormal trouble. Thought that was an awfully Watcher-y sounding statement. Never would have guessed a combination.

Were either of those kills on fearless?

Thanks for the game, also.

[t1mm01994]

Deva

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Yup, you had it figured out in the end... Bonus points if you can fit the flavour in, or correctly identify the voices (yes, they're identifiable).

Apart from that, due to a combination of factors your role kind of.. Failed. Nearly all power roles did not work, at all. SK only succeeded in one kill, on himself, you only attracted 2 cops and missed everything else, Ditto died before he could copy, Magikarp died when he had evolved in daytime... So sad ;(

[Lataro]

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I win, I was right about GoJoe!

Now, assuming 3 person mafia team, I want another one to die, and for lots of townies to die N5.

After that, I MIGHT be able to pull this game into a win depending on how D6 goes...

[Deva]

Deva

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Yup, you had it figured out in the end... Bonus points if you can fit the flavour in, or correctly identify the voices (yes, they're identifiable).

Apart from that, due to a combination of factors your role kind of.. Failed. Nearly all power roles did not work, at all. SK only succeeded in one kill, on himself, you only attracted 2 cops and missed everything else, Ditto died before he could copy, Magikarp died when he had evolved in daytime... So sad ;(

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Lapras? Ditched that Pokemon. Has a high voice. Fits the ice description. No clue about the intelligence Pokemon.

Worries about participation. Claimed twice yesterday. Expected more chatter.

Wondered about a potential Jigglypuff! Jigglypuff! Jigglypuff! day-ending mechanic. Could not test that, however. Potentially harms Town and raises suspicions.

Almost grabbed the one-shot cop from Angua, if not for the roleblock. Was that from Racebandit? What other effects were there?

Lynch scum, and in worst case, 2-2-1 which still is a loss.

Does not automatically lose in a 2-2-1 situation. Ignores Lataro’s swing vote. Loses with a Town lynch too. Opts for either a No Lynch or a Mafia lynch. Enters Night at 2-2-1 or 2-1-1. Depends upon kills from there.

[Deva]

PYPokemafia

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Deadline in less than an hour. Zero votes.

[Mostlynormal]

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I beleive I now have the scum by process of elimination--I'm town, matt's town, fearless is the cop and therefore town, Lataro's scum, so both Angua and Woopate are probably scum also. But I'm scared of claiming because there's enough anti-town to turn against us, and I'm not sure how to lynch Woopate without claiming and without looking like a double standard for ignoring fearless's mostly contentless posts. So I'm sorta stuck right now. It's a bit frustrating.

[Lataro]

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Am I setting a record here for a claimed SK surviving? D2 it was known, and we are going into N5 and I'm still alive after making it clear I'd be no friend to town.

I'm loving this, if woopate is telling the truth, then I can lay down a kill tonight rather than withhold it, and if woopate is scum, all the better, since I'll be in a great position if my bluff is still not called D6.

[Deva]

PYPokemafia

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Question: Why did fearless not receive a cop result? Role Absorbed her last night. Do kills occur before other powers? Did an anti-mass-claim power trigger?

Hopes that someone notices the inconsistency. Received no results. Claims to have roleblocked Lataro. Requires two roleblocks. May use a Redirect defense. Means two kills or both on the same person. Argued on unsound foundations regardless.

Should not have included the back-up speculation, apparently. Fingered Mostlynormal as the most likely benefactor.

Finds this more frustrating from the sidelines. Began posting (non-flavor), finally. Predicts a 2-2-1 Night configuration, however. <occasional optimist> May lead to pro-Town kills. </occasional optimist>

[t1mm01994]

Deva,

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Because I fucked it up, that's why.

In related news, this is going to be a close finish if town lynch right, or an easy finish if town mislynch. Town mislynch --> Woop blocks Lataro's kill, kills a townie, 2-1-1 or 2-2, no lynch, rinse and repeat. (Yes, Woop is trueclaiming his role... Just not alignment)

[Angua]

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It's always depressing when people don't read through your entire post. vote for me if you want, but don't say that I shouldn't have known about Lataro - that bit is true!!!

[Deva]

At Angua:

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Felt that at times too (somewhat understandably). Switched to underlined sections. Improved. Does nothing for your situation, though.

At Tim:

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Update. Changes the Lapras guess to Doduo. Figured a Fire type kill and an Ice type kill before. Knows nothing about Arceus, however. May not fit.

[t1mm01994]

Deva

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I was actually speaking of attributing to players, bot pokemans... But you're pretty far off anyways :p

In other news, a deadlock will form now, Zombie Apocalypse style. Let's see who gets out of this alive...

[Lataro]

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Holy shit if woopate is scum and is lynched I win!

Seriously, if I pull this off no one will ever not lynch me on sight again.

[Mostlynormal]

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Lemme guess, Lataro killed me. It'd make no sense for Woopate to kill me, that's for sure. Also @above spoiler I haven't read all the spoilers so I don't yet know the truth about Lataro's role but if town thinks for two seconds they'll realize a lynch leads to a 1v1 tommorrow.

Great game T1mm, I love all the off the wall roles. Except perhaps the unkillable serial killer one. I'll have to reserve judgement on that until I find out exactly what Lataro is though.

So I guess town's basically lost by now. Unless they somehow pull of a win with Zombie Apocalypse style negotiations, but look where that left town last time

[Lataro]

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huge mega bluff time! This whole process requires fearless to not get a chance to post, thus, me being clear, NL was hammered, and thus, it is night and fearless is NOT to post.

This will either work, or all blow up in my face.

[Mostlynormal]

PYPokemafia

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Thought that was an awfully Watcher-y sounding statement. Never would have guessed a combination.

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Haha yeah I was actually soft claiming Watcher because I was after you too stubbornly to see you had already claimed that. I wasn't about to say "No you misunderstood me actually I was claiming watcher!" Sorry about that. I really was going to back off at some point, I promise.

Update on Lataro: So what's going on? The spoilers implied he would die if killed twice but he was killed twice and still came back!

@Lataro

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You're meaner than I was in zombie.

[matt96]

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well, if what Lataro says about killing me, then lynching Woopate is true, and so is Woopate claiming roleblocker, then Woopate can't win without stoping Lataro's kill, saving me, and then if he kills Lataro, me and fearless would be able to lynch Woopate and win (assuming fearless is town)
Please let my above logic be correct. i wanted to put a nervous anticipation smilie here, but none exist.

[Mostlynormal]

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Why does everyone have to say "assuming fearless is town"? You do realize that she's confirmed right? Remember me, yesterday, confirming that she was a cop? And then dying and being confirmed as town? That kinda confirms her too.

[webby]

PYPokemafia

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Thought that was an awfully Watcher-y sounding statement. Never would have guessed a combination.

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Update on Lataro: So what's going on? The spoilers implied he would die if killed twice but he was killed twice and still came back!

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Lataro is my fault, t1mm at first gave him one nightkill immunity, but I thought that wasn't enough for an SK in a game this size, especially with the PGOs around as well as scum and with the possibility of cops + watchers revealing him. I suggested that he should have one nightkill immunity and one lynch immunity. If he gets killed once more he loses.

[BoomFrog]

Deva

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I was actually speaking of attributing to players, bot pokemans... But you're pretty far off anyways :p

In other news, a deadlock will form now, Zombie Apocalypse style. Let's see who gets out of this alive...

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Deadlocks are not good. I like your game design in most respects but I we should really try to avoid kingmaker situations. If there are multiple factions making one stronger (like their kill goes first), although I guess your system is to have a coinflip which seems alright, at least it gives both scum factions a chance in a tie and a clear incentive to continue to trick town into lynching the other scum.