[T] PYPokémafia - Game ended - SK (Lataro) Wins!

[Woopate]

Confusion reigned in Pallet town, but Lataro was the only one that really got struck by it.. He hit himself fatally in his confusion, which made sure he died a nightly death. Determined to dispose of him this time, you buried him in the back yard.

ConMan is dead. He was Gyarados, on Ash's side.
Chandani is dead. She was Dratini, on Ash's side.

Not the worst outcome, but very close to it.

Damn. Whatever Lataro pulled before seems repeatable. Well, maybe not, if he was blocked. I'm kinda hoping someone will claim roleblocker and that they targetted Lataro. Then it would just be luck that he survived again. Hopefully our masked confuserer can keep getting Lataro to "kill" himself.

Unless, unlike last time, information is missing?

Claims?

[t1mm01994]

Do not question the great Teller of Tales in the Pokémon World, also known as the mod. No information is missing in this thread.

[Woopate]

Just had to be sure. Thank you, your t1mmness, for providing complete information.

[t1mm01994]

You're welcome. Now get to gameplay

[Angua]

I doubt a roleblocker hit Lataro - otherwise he should have not even been able to carry out the kill. Lataro is beginning to look pretty invulnerable. You'd have hoped that there was a loophole in the NK-proof thing where he'd be able to be killed by himself! What do we think the odds are that there isn't a benefactor and everything is one-shot? He's a pretty powerful SK, whatever the circumstances though.

Who do we think the mysterious voice is? I'm hoping it's someone with some sort of trance-like oracle power or something. They had a dark voice yesterday which made them sound anti-town, but now I'm wondering if it was their trance voice. If so, I hope they have something helpful for us today, because town isn't looking in a very good position at the moment.

Does anyone also think there's something funny about the fact that we lost a gyarados and a dratini last night - given how similar they are in nature? I don't think it means anything - just an interesting coincidence.

[Deva]

Appears to be invincible with one (or more) weak point(s). Must have another nightkill present too. Hoped for a Mafialess setup with Misnomer as a Serial Killer. May still be possible with a Vigilante, but unlikely.

Pegged Lataro as the dark voice from Day Three’s flavor. Sounds like Mafia or a generic Moderator warning for Town in Day Four’s flavor.

Does anyone else have any lynch candidates? Has awful instincts.

Expects this to fail. Makes no difference.

Pick up Single Clue.

[t1mm01994]

Deva, say what? I saw bold text but couldn't understand it.

[Deva]

Smirks. Oh well. Foiled by the lack of Pokemon point-and-click adventure games. Never developed Pokemon Snap: Investigations either. Needs to find an Itemfinder.

[Deva]

Finds this bothersome. Accepted one instance begrudgingly. Draws the line at two.

Dear Cop,
Did not investigate the Night Two and Night Three people that you intended to. Copped me instead.

Knows the two targets' names. Will reveal them if necessary. Hoped to salvage it before by verifying or denying a cop claim based upon that. Predicted a waste of time too.

Situation A: Announces vague information (like the above).
Situation A1: Cops me on Night Three. Discovered that the night before.
Situation A2: Re-examines the target with potentially similar results. Looks suspicious then.

Situation B: Broadcasts specific information. Believes that. Kills the target.

Has two potential targets now. Might not waste another action. Wanted to state this before any drastic changes in analysis.

Will add this just in case. Please do not reveal yourself, cop.

[fearless]

Why do you talk like this? I'm confused.

[Deva]

Consider it a fora-wide posting restriction. Would not post otherwise.

[fearless]

you're so weird... are you saying the cop should investigate you????

[Deva]

No. Already did. Twice. Means that they should not take their Night Two and Night Three investigations as automatic truth.

[fearless]

Ohh, I see. So the cop is basically useless then?

[Deva]

Witnessed nothing on Night One due to a roleblock. Might be able to trust that result.

[Lataro]

So, do people actually think gojoe is town still????

[Deva]

Failed at sleuthing so far. Might as well ask the Serial Killer.

Why do you think Gojoe is not Town?

[Mostlynormal]

So, do people actually think gojoe is town still????

I sure don't. In fact, I'm very suspicious of Gojoe, fearless, and Deva for the Conman lynch that I still think was bandwagonny.

Vote: Gojoe

This vote is self explanatory. He's been acting strange all game.

FoS: fearless and Deva

[Woopate]

Ummm.... Yeah, after Lataro said that yesterday about Gojoe I took a look back at his stuff. Didn't see a lot that looked scummy to me. Quite passive, maybe. And strange references to other's suspicions of him when there really wasn't too much heat. He's been sitting at the neutral side of things for me though, so if someone can point something out I'm definitely willing to listen.

Yesterday had two stupid quick wagons. One on Conman and one on Deva. I think looking at the different sides of those will yield some information. Hold tight as I switch to my PC for greater ease of tabulation.

[Woopate]

On Conman
Mostlynormal
Angua
Deva
fearless
Gojoe


On Deva
Mostlynormal unvotes Conman and revotes Deva
Conman (town)
Lataro, stipulating that he votes because he thinks Deva is town

Hmmm. While it looked like it at the time, that really isn't much of a bandwagon on Deva.

FOS: Gojoe
FOS: Fearless

I'll wait for more information to change those to votes.

[Mostlynormal]

On Deva
Mostlynormal unvotes Conman and revotes Deva
Conman (town)
Lataro, stipulating that he votes because he thinks Deva is town

Hmmm. While it looked like it at the time, that really isn't much of a bandwagon on Deva.

Yeah, I'm not sure why people called it a bandwagon. It had a first vote, a self defense vote, and a vote by confirmed scum because he thought the votee was town. I guess you could call that third vote scummy but we can't exactly lynch him for it. (yet. )

[matt96]

I still don't believe Lataro's claim of entirely kill immune until another specific player dies, it is totally over powered, there are plenty of other possibilities, has anyone considered that Lataro might get to choose each day whether he wants to be lynch immune or NK immune?
I am going to say that as long as we have a confirmed serial killer running around, it is kind of hard (at least for me) to put an emphasis on finding other scum, when we still have a confirmed serial killer we could be trying to get rid of, or do people like having two night kills happen every night?

[Lataro]

I still don't believe Lataro's claim of entirely kill immune until another specific player dies, it is totally over powered, there are plenty of other possibilities, has anyone considered that Lataro might get to choose each day whether he wants to be lynch immune or NK immune?
I am going to say that as long as we have a confirmed serial killer running around, it is kind of hard (at least for me) to put an emphasis on finding other scum, when we still have a confirmed serial killer we could be trying to get rid of, or do people like having two night kills happen every night?

I found your second scum, little townies.

I'd rather scum win than town as a rule, however, when they play this badly, I just can't allow it.

[Deva]

At matt96: Rated that possibility lower. Could not have expected the Day Two lynch. Seems unfair to allow a midday toggle.

Speculated one scenario including this power. Assumptions:
1. The existence of a benefactor (specifically, Angua).
2. Angua: Private chat with Lataro.
Plot: Fabricates the one-shot cop claim. Shifts all attention to Lataro. Shows off the toggled Lynch Immunity. Switched to Night Kill Immunity the next day.

May have a one-shot Lynch Resurrection and a one-shot Night Kill Resurrection. Considers that possible, but also unlikely.


At Lataro: Played worse than Mafia, though.

Sidenote: Has anyone noticed that the most experienced players have died? Excludes Gojoe and Lataro. Wonders about Racebandit. Was that redirected?

[Gojoe]

Guys I just moved to Sydney. I am busy as hell. I am up to date with what has gone on so far. But going to be busy job hunting for a while. So expect less activity from me for a wee while sorry.

[Angua]

I'm up for trying to lynch Lataro again if you really want to, as it's probably best to try and have our no-lynches when town still has a fair amount of players left. For what it's worth, my one-shot cop claim was true.

Deva - what did you mean by cops targeting you on N2 and N3? It seems a bit coincidental that they got redirected to you each time - that combined with the fact that it didn't happen when you got roleblocked leads me to believe it's something you're doing. Do you bus yourself? And why are you worried that someone would kill the target of the investigation if you're town? If you meant something else by the quote below, then please clarify.

Situation B: Broadcasts specific information. Believes that. Kills the target.

Also, if deva was roleblocked N1, then why haven't they been roleblocking Lataro? If it was a one-shot thing, then way to blow your one-shot power so early on.

[Deva]

Will clarify with a more exact claim. Implied it anyways.

Claim: Role Absorb. Short version: pick a person and redirect all the powers used on them to yourself. Discovers all of the powers used on that person.

Only absorbed cop results. Somehow.

Imagined breakdown of Situation B:
- "Hey. Received (potentially) wrong cop results on (a player’s name). Please re-investigate them."
(Night)
- Cop: (a player’s name)
- Kill: (a player’s name)

Paints a large target on a specifically named person. Creates a likely spot for the cop to visit. Accepts that situation now due to: 1. Two tampered-with cop results and 2. Two possible cop re-targets.

Figured BoomFrog as the roleblocker. Blocked routes in the game.

[fearless]

I have no idea what you just said...

[Deva]

Take two.

Night One: (speculation)
Deva: Role Absorbing X
Roleblocker (BoomFrog?): Roleblocking Deva.
Result: Roleblocked Deva. No clue on X’s activities.

Night Two: (real)
Deva: Role Absorbing Y
Cop: Copping Y
Result: Copped Deva.

Night Three: (real)
Deva: Role Absorbing Z
Cop: Copping Z
Result: Copped Deva

Concludes the real portion. Will now present the hypothetical Situation B:

Night Two: (real)
Deva: Role Absorbing Y
Cop: Copping Y
Result: Copped Deva.

Day Three (hypothetical)
Deva: "Saw the cop visit Y. Received (possibly) incorrect results. Please check again."

Night Three (hypothetical)
Cop: Copping Y
Mafia/Lataro: Killing Y.
Result: Dead Y and another wasted cop action.

Is that clearer?

[Mostlynormal]

Hmm. I still find Deva suspicious, and his claim, while risky for scum, is also awfully convenient. I'd like to at least try to poke holes in it before I believe it.

So for one thing, the cop should obviously claim if they got a different result on N2 from N3. We could also probably get some information from watchers and trackers:

Deva's ability (assuming he's telling the truth), would imply that people targeting Deva's target would be seen as visiting Deva instead, right?

[t1mm01994]

I used "your target" in nearly all occasions. I slipped up once. No target is supposed to be specified.

[Mostlynormal]

I used "your target" in nearly all occasions. I slipped up once. No target is supposed to be specified.

I don't really understand what you mean by that. Where is no target supposed to be specified, and where is this place that you used "your target"?

[t1mm01994]

Where's my spokesman?
Ah well. To all targeted roles, I used "your target" in the PM, rather than a nickname.
Example:

Grudgingly, you walk off the stairs, looking at what your target is doing.. You find it sitting in front of the fire, awake. It doesn't seem to be doing much, just sitting around..
Your target did not perform an action this night.

So I never specified who it is, that is targeted.

[Woopate]

Thanks. I believe that clarification makes sense.

[Mostlynormal]

That makes sense now, but it doesn't quite answer my question.

If (for example) a watcher targets Deva, would they see people who targeted Deva's target as visiting Deva? Or, if a tracker targeted someone who targeted Deva's target, would they see their target as visiting Deva?

[t1mm01994]

Yes.

[Mostlynormal]

Ok then Deva, who targeted you N2?

[Mostlynormal]

EBWOP *targeted your target

[Deva]

Only knows the actions on a target player. Saw a cop action and nothing else on both Nights Two and Three. Receives no names. Would have Role Absorbed the cop on Night Three otherwise.

[Mostlynormal]

Hmm. Alright, I only half believe you but you're not worth lynching yet.