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by **careyhammer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:19 am UTC

Two hits wins.

Yay! New page!

by **t1mm01994** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:58 am UTC

I join White's team.
Buy: Investment for 2 points
Buy: Investment for 4 points
I have honor.
I cast my vote against Fiery's motion to create recursion (Now 2 for, 2 against, 1 abstain).
I cast my vote in favour of Fiery's motion to embrace diversity. (Now 3 for, 1 against, 1 abstain).
I cast my vote in favour of Spikey's motion to make it easier to play just a little Nomic at the time. (Now 1 for, 1 against)
I cast my vote in favor of Odin motion to return points for failed lotteries. (Now 3 for, 0 against)
I guess that carey posts next.
Chess: Bc4

board

by **careyhammer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:14 am UTC

You are correct!
Unfortunately, you should have put your votes first. Penalty.
Black: Nxe4. 1 point for pawn capture.
board

by **Carlington** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:23 am UTC

I am confused, why did he have to put his votes first?

by **Story Weaver** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:24 am UTC

You see, by the rule that I am trying to overturn, both Froggy and Tim's most recent posts were breaking the rules, as they did something other than vote first. I did vote in §01.03 the second time it came round, thinking maybe I had been too negative before - but it's really a killer.

Over the weekend I have had a lot of free time to play, as you can see from my frequent posts, but during the working week I can frequently only pop on briefly for a few minutes at a time.

What if I need to pop up just to announce the next step in a judge I'm duelling? Or I'm Fiery, and I need to arbitrate some rules? Before I can do either of those, I'll probably need to figure out what all the active motions are, figure out an opinion on them, calculate the new vote totals, and write out my vote cast. By then I've run out of time, so I go away and come back later. I try again to do my brief action, but discover there are three new motions... and so on.

I'm not against incentivizing people to vote - I see the problem. But I think we need to find another way to do it. The current rule makes playing Nomic a full time job.

by **careyhammer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:24 am UTC

There is a rule that says you must vote before any other action is allowed.

As soon as someone posts a new SotN it will be much easier.

by **Carlington** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:25 am UTC

Oh, I see, that's ongoing. I didn't realise that.

by **Story Weaver** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:26 am UTC

Also, in this post two motion were passed, and a new motion made, but the wiki wasn't updated, so Odin gets a penalty (or possibly three?).

I'll update the wiki now.

by **careyhammer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:28 am UTC

Thanks, Spikey for updating.
Edit: D'oh!
Oops.... That last move does not count. Penalty to me.
Updated the chess wiki page.

by **patzer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:11 pm UTC

I'm not going to post any actions until the next state of the nomic as I don't know what needs voting on, but I recommend the chess move Nxe4 for Black.
I cast my vote in favour of Spikey's motion to make it easier to play just a little Nomic at the time. (Now 2 for, 1 against)

by **careyhammer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:49 pm UTC

I guess that Fiery will post next.

by **orangedragonfire** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:11 pm UTC

I cast my vote in favor of Odin's motion to return points for failed lotteries. (now 4 for, 0 against) Motion passed, Odin awarded 8 points
I abstain from voting on Spikey's motion to make it easier to just play a little Nomic at a time (now 2 for, 1 against, 1 abstain) While I like the idea of not forcing players to make lots of votes everytime they post, we do need some way of getting enough votes to pass or refuse motions. Until we have a way of getting that, I can't vote in favor of this motion.

(penalized Fiery 4 points for missing votecount)
(charged Spikey 20 points for Double Down perk)
(awarded Spikey 8 points for passed motion)
(awarded Tim 4 points for passed motion)
(charged Spikey 8 points for investment)

Honor: 5 points
Fiery
Odin
Carey
Froggy
Chia
Spikey

Investments:
10 Carey
6 Fiery
6 Snarky
6 Alex
6 Spikey
4 Odin

(charged Tim 6 points for investment)
(penalized Tim 4 points for not voting first, and then returned him to 0 points)
(awarded Tim 1 points for guessing correctly)
(penalized Carey 4 points for making a chessmove when it's not his turn)
(awarded Carey 1 point for guessing correctly)
(awarded Odin 8 points for passed motion)
(awarded Fiery 2 points for State of the Nomic Post)

The State of the Nomic
Rules
All Motions

Players:

Spoiler:

Chess Game:

Spoiler:

Current Wagers:

Spoiler:

Tournaments:

Spoiler:

Active motions:

Spoiler:

by **careyhammer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:26 pm UTC

I change my vote.
I cast my vote in favour of Fiery's motion to embrace diversity. (Now 4 for, 0 against, 1 abstain) motion passes, Fiery awarded 8 points.

Please give me more than 10 minutes to update the wiki as I am still asleep and on my iPad.

by **patzer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:04 pm UTC

I abstain from voting on Carey's motion to be a Bookmaker (Now 3 for, 0 against, 1 abstain)
I move 11...Nxe4
I make a motion to create a limit of 5 active motions. If there are 5 or more active motions a player may not make a motion. For the purposes of voting, this motion will be referred to as Patzer's motion for an alternative method to encourage voting.

EDIT: Just noticed this: If you do one of the following actions you must update the AllMotions page of the wiki: Make a motion...
How do I edit it? I can't find an edit button.

FURTHER EDIT: never mind, created an account and found it.

by **ahammel** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:25 pm UTC

I cast my vote against Fiery's motion to create recursion. Now 2 for, 2 against with one abstaining.
I abstain from voting for Carey's motion to be a Bookmaker. Now 3 for, 0 against with 2 abstaining.
I cast my vote in favour of Spikey's motion to make it easier to just play a little Nomic at a time. Now 3 for, 1 against with 1 abstaining.
I cast my vote in favour of Patzer's motion for an alternative method to encourage voting. Now 1 for 0 against.

I guess that Carey will post next.

by **careyhammer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:26 pm UTC

Welcome to Team Black.

didn't say I join Team Black. Penalty. Sorry.

by **patzer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:35 pm UTC

careyhammer wrote:Welcome to Team Black.

didn't say I join Team Black. Penalty. Sorry.

If your talking to me, I did. http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=2929375#p2929375

by **Snark** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:37 pm UTC

Charity: Give 104 of my points to Carey

Notice that I saved two points for myself because of the penalization I'll get for not voting on all current motions first.

Snark/Snarky over and out.

by **Story Weaver** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:17 pm UTC

Snark wrote:Snark/Snarky over and out.

Snarky is leaving?

I cast my vote in favour of Patzer's motion for an alternative method to encourage voting. (Now 2 for, 0 against).

Carey: Penalty for not updating the wiki page when you passed Fiery's diversity motion. I've now done so.

by **careyhammer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:18 pm UTC

Wow, that's too bad. On the other hand, look at all these points I have now. :twisted:

Buy: investment for 64 points

by **matt96** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:14 pm UTC

I cast my vote in favor of Firey's motion to create recursion (now 3 for, 2 against)
I cast my vote against Carey's motion to be a Bookmaker (now 3 for, 1 against)
I abstain from voting for Spikey's motion to make it easier to just play a little Nomic at a time (now 3 for, 1 against)
I cast my vote in favor of Patzer's motion for an alternative method to encourage voting (now 3 for, 0 against)
I would have voted for Spikey's motion, but it would have passed, and the wiki thing wants me to sign up for it in order to change it, and I am too lazy to do that.

by **patzer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:21 pm UTC

matt96 wrote:I cast my vote in favor of Firey's motion to create recursion (now 3 for, 2 against)
I cast my vote against Carey's motion to be a Bookmaker (now 3 for, 1 against)
I abstain from voting for Spikey's motion to make it easier to just play a little Nomic at a time (now 3 for, 1 against)
I cast my vote in favor of Patzer's motion for an alternative method to encourage voting (now 3 for, 0 against)
I would have voted for Spikey's motion, but it would have passed, and the wiki thing wants me to sign up for it in order to change it, and I am too lazy to do that.

The wiki actually is very quick to sign up- just type in username and password and email and you're done. Only about 15 seconds.

by **orangedragonfire** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:35 pm UTC

I cast my vote against Patzers motion for an alternative method to encourage voting (now 3 for, 1 against)
I will reward all who voted in favor of my motion to create recursion if it passes.

Buy: Investment for 16 points
Buy: Investment for 32 points

(awarded Fiery 8 points for motion passed)
(awarded Patzer 1 point for taking a pawn)
(penalized Alex 2 points for wrong vote count)
(awarded Alex 1 point for guessing correctly)
(+104 points to Carey and -104 points to Snarky)
(penalized Snarky 2 points for not voting first)
(penalized Carey 4 points for not updating wiki)
(charged Carey 64 for investment)
(penalized matt96 2 points for getting the vote count wrong on Fiery's motion)
(charged Fiery 48 points for 2 investments)
(awarded Fiery 2 points for State of the Nomic Post)

The State of the Nomic
Rules
All Motions

Players:

Spoiler:

Chess Game:

Spoiler:

Current Wagers:

Spoiler:

Tournaments:

Spoiler:

Active motions:

Spoiler:

by **patzer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:49 pm UTC

I move 12...Nxc3
edit: Ignore this, see comment below

by **matt96** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:32 pm UTC

If you look back, Carey's motion has not passed yet, and should still be under active, as the only votes on it since the last state of the nomic have been 2 abstains and one against, and based on the rules on the wiki, if my vote count was off, it was because Fiery's motion failed and Ahammel forgot to mention that. Also, INt€rN€t WaNd€r€R , you can't be the person to make the move for your team in the chess game twice in a row.

by **careyhammer** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:20 pm UTC

i should have 6 investments now
so, is my motion passed or not?
I move 12...Nxc3

by **matt96** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:36 pm UTC

I was going to make a move, but carey ninja'd me

by **careyhammer** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:12 am UTC

I cast my vote against Patzer's motion for an alternative method to encourage voting. Now 3 for, 1 against.
Penalty on me.
Point for me for capturing a pawn.

by **Odilo** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:12 am UTC

I abstain from voting on Patzer's motion for an alternative method to encourage voting. (Now 3 for, 1 against, 1 abstain)

Alex strikes, Froggy parries. Froggy scores a hit!

I guess Patzer will post next.

by **careyhammer** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:36 am UTC

So am I bookmaker?

by **orangedragonfire** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:50 am UTC

matt96 wrote:If you look back, Carey's motion has not passed yet, and should still be under active,

This is correct. The SotN has been edited.

matt96 wrote: and based on the rules on the wiki, if my vote count was off, it was because Fiery's motion failed and Ahammel forgot to mention that.

You wrote (3 for, 2 against) instead of the correct (3 for, 3 against)

careyhammer wrote:i should have 6 investments now
so, is my motion passed or not?

added the 6. investment for you. Your motion isn't passed yet, sorry about the mixup.

by **patzer** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:27 pm UTC

I think I should have received my 5 points for 3 on-topic comments by now, so:
I buy: Investment for 2 points

by **careyhammer** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:29 pm UTC

Also points back from lotto

by **Story Weaver** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:56 pm UTC

If Fiery's motion to create recursion has 3 votes against it then it has failed. Rule §03.02: "If at any point there are three votes from three different players against a motion, the motion fails."

I think that Chia won the duel against Snarky by default, as Snarky has left. Does anyone want to contest that, or I shall declare Chia the winner?

What's happened to the other tournament duels? Here is the listing, in case people have lost track.

Also, the last State of the Nomic left out my Double Down perk.

by **careyhammer** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:14 pm UTC

I was also in a mousetrap duel with snark. How do I end that and still keep my honor?

If Fiery's motion to create recursion has 3 votes against it then it has failed. Rule §03.02: "If at any point there are three votes from three different players against a motion, the motion fails."

That rule was amended to require 4 votes.

by **Story Weaver** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:32 pm UTC

You're right. The motion said pass or fail, but the rules were only updated for passing motions. I have updated the rules on the wiki.

It would help move the game along if people who are abstaining or voting against motions could change their vote. We seem somewhat stuck currently.

Edit: On that note,

I change my vote on Fiery's motion to create recursion. I cast my vote in favour of Fiery's motion to create recursion. (Now 4 for, 2 against). Motion passed, Fiery awarded 8 points.

Nomy 1.0

by **careyhammer** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:44 pm UTC

Buy: Remove Fiery's Grand HIgh Poobah of the Nomic status for 25 points.
Buy :Grand HIgh Poobah of the Nomic status for 35 points

by **careyhammer** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:44 pm UTC

Now I double post freely! :twisted:

by **careyhammer** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:47 pm UTC

I make a motion to cancel all of Snarky's duels. For purposes of voting, this motion shall be known as Carey's motion to cancel all of Snarky's duels

by **patzer** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:21 pm UTC

I vote in favour of Carey's motion to cancel all of Snarky's duels (Now 1 for, 0 against)

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