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Nomy 1.0

Postby Story Weaver » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:42 pm UTC

This is a sub-game from Nomic 16.0.

Here are the rules:
  • §1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
  • §2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
  • §3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
  • §4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
  • §5 Double Posting is forbidden.
  • §6 The winner shall be the first person to get 3 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points

The points referred to are in the parent Nomic game.

I make a motion to require that the third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:59 pm UTC

Motion accepted!
Here are the rules:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 3 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.

I make a motion to pass this motion.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:05 pm UTC

oops, I just broke rule §5
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:06 pm UTC

oops I did it again :lol:
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby orangedragonfire » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:56 pm UTC

Motion refused.

I make a motion to change the text of rule §2 to the following:
§2 Players are referred to as ninjas. Ninjas may make one motion to change the rules per post. If someone breaks too many rules or annoys people, they become pirates instead. All posts of pirates are ignored.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:01 pm UTC

Motion refused
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:04 pm UTC

I make a motion to refuse this motion
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby Story Weaver » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:05 pm UTC

Motion refused.

I make a motion that in order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby orangedragonfire » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:38 pm UTC

Motion accepted.

Here are the rules:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 3 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.


I make a motion introduce a three strikes rule - if you break the rules three times, you are banned from the game and all of your posts are to be ignored by other players.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:08 pm UTC

Motion refused. I enjoy breaking the rules.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:09 pm UTC

Motion refused. I enjoy breaking the rules.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby matt96 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:25 am UTC

Not sound. Now there is no motion for me to decide on

Here are the rules:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 3 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the
§9 if you break the rules three times, you are banned from the game and all of your posts are to be ignored by other players.
I make a motion to add a rule that requires a player to include a motion in their post for the next poster to accept or refuse
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:27 am UTC

Motion rejected. I think that rule is just way too complicated.
Wait, time out. Rule 9 was rejected, even if the reason was unsound.

Here are the rules:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 3 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.

I make a motion to amend rule 6 to read: The winner shall be the first person to get 300 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 2 points, and everyone who participates 1 points.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby vp1 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:59 am UTC

Motion rejected because: 1. Ninjas get things done correctly the first time and don't need to amend anything; 2. Ninjas don't like when people break the rules (See rule 7 ).

Here are the rules:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 3 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.

I put forth a motion that no motion may contain any occasions of symbol that follows 'd' (Ninjas loath fifth pictographs).
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby Story Weaver » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:34 am UTC

Motion rejected.

Sorry, I originally accepted it, but then I couldn't find a single motion I could write without the letter e!

Carey, could you please stop trying to make the game less enjoyable for others. There is no purpose in playing a game, except where the players agree to abide by the rules. Mistakes are one thing, but constant rule breaking is not.

§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 3 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.

I make a motion that "players in Nomy must be referred to as Ninjas". Because everyone seems to really like that rule.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby aleph-null » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:34 am UTC

Motion accepted. Hello my fellow ninjas! :D

§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 3 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas

I move to amend §6 to read "The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points." to increase game length and enjoyment for all ninjas.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby vp1 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:02 pm UTC

Motion Accepted


The rules
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas

Ninjas should have weapons or skills...
I make a motion that each ninja must have at least one weapons and/or skill. However, weapons/skills can only be received from another ninja as a gift (a ninja may not procure their own weapon/skill). The weapon must have some special power that will give the recipient an advantage in this game. Gifting a weapon/skill can be done in addition to a motion.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby Story Weaver » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:05 pm UTC

I've won this game, by the way. Three of my motions were passed. You can, of course, keep playing. I will go get my points in the main Nomic thread.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby vp1 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:13 pm UTC

Doh!
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby aleph-null » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:28 pm UTC

(Anyone want to keep going with this one? I'm new to this so a small ruleset to start with is much more enticing than the big established one in the other thread)

Motion rejected. Seems too complex to me and there should be limitations on what the gift could do, could be used to spoil the game.

Current rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas

I move to discount the previous winner (they keep their claim to any previously won points) and continue with the currently established rules.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby orangedragonfire » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:09 pm UTC

Motion accepted.

(which means, Story Weaver, that according to the rules in this game you are not the winner)

I make a motion to call people in this Nomy who distinguish themselves positively Samurais.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:15 pm UTC

Motion accepted.

I make a motion to keep track of the score. After a motion passes, you have to post a table of current number of motions passed for every player.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby aleph-null » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:31 pm UTC

(Please remember: §4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post)
Motion accepted
As far as I can tell, the following rules and scores are currently correct. It's quite hard to work out what was going on above, please make a motion to correct any errors.
Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)

Scores
Spoiler:
Story Weaver - 3
Null - 2
orangedragonfire - 1
careyhammer - 1
I make a motion to reduce the score of a player by one point for each infraction of the rules they make. This will start from when the motion is passed and will not be applied retroactively to previous infractions
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:31 pm UTC

Motion accepted
I make a motion to reset all negative scores to zero
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby orangedragonfire » Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:18 pm UTC

Motion denied. For breaking rule §4, your score is reduced by 1. For breaking rule §11, your score is reduced by 1.

Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.

Scores
Spoiler:
Story Weaver 3
Null 2
orangedragonfire 1
aleph-null 1
careyhammer -1


I make a motion to grant Samurais all the rights that ninjas have.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:04 pm UTC

not sound. penalty

Motion accepted.

I make a motion to make Carey a Samurai.
Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.
§13 Samurais have all the rights that ninjas have.

Scores:
Spoiler:
Story Weaver 3
Null 2
aleph-null 1
orangedragonfire 1
careyhammer -1
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby orangedragonfire » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:10 pm UTC

Motion denied; you have broken the rules quite often and not helped much as far as I can see.
For breaking rule §4, your score is reduced by 1. For breaking rule §11, your score is reduced by 1.

Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.

Scores
Spoiler:
Story Weaver 3
Null 2
orangedragonfire 1
aleph-null 1
careyhammer -3


I make a motion to make Story Weaver a Samurai being the winner of Nomy (even if it only was for a limited time)
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby careyhammer » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:16 pm UTC

Wait, Time out. I followed those rules this time!

Motion Denied because the Samurai were much more elite than that.

I make a motion to fix the errors in the scores

Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.

Scores
Spoiler:
Story Weaver 3
Null 2
orangedragonfire 1
aleph-null 1
careyhammer -3
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby matt96 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:41 pm UTC

Motion denied, for as far as I can tell, there are no errors in the score, also, carey, you broke rule 8 by not sounding a refusal of a motion you proposed.
I make a motion that refusals declared "not sound" are to be re-decided by the poster following the declaration of "not sound" who cannot be the original motion maker, original refuser, or the ninja who declared the reasoning "not sound".
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby orangedragonfire » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:52 pm UTC

Motion accepted

Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.
§13 Refusals declared "not sound" are to be re-decided by the poster following the declaration of "not sound" who cannot be the original motion maker, original refuser, or the ninja who declared the reasoning "not sound".

Scores
Spoiler:
Story Weaver 3
Null 2
orangedragonfire 1
aleph-null 1
matt96 1
careyhammer -4


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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby aleph-null » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:58 pm UTC

Motion denied, redundant, we all play Nomic 16.

Also, aleph-null == Null, I wrote my Nomic 16 nickname instead of my username. It's fixed below. Apologies.

Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.
§13 Refusals declared "not sound" are to be re-decided by the poster following the declaration of "not sound" who cannot be the original motion maker, original refuser, or the ninja who declared the reasoning "not sound".

Scores
Spoiler:
Story Weaver 3
aleph-null 3
orangedragonfire 1
matt96 1
careyhammer -4

I move that a Ninja shall not submit motions which promote the motion maker to Samurai status
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby vp1 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:42 am UTC

Motion accepted!

Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.
§13 Refusals declared "not sound" are to be re-decided by the poster following the declaration of "not sound" who cannot be the original motion maker, original refuser, or the ninja who declared the reasoning "not sound".
§14 a Ninja shall not submit motions which promote the motion maker to Samurai status.


Scores:
Spoiler:
Story Weaver 3
aleph-null 4
orangedragonfire 1
matt96 1
careyhammer -4


I move that the next ninja to have a motion accepted becomes a level one Samurai.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby aleph-null » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:16 am UTC

Motion denied. If that motion was accepted, you would have been awarded Samurai, which clearly violates §14 a Ninja shall not submit motions which promote the motion maker to Samurai status as it would have been a direct result of your post.

I move that on promotion to Samurai status, the ninja being promoted gains 5 bonus points as a reward. This reward shall be given 24 hours after the motion which grants the promotion is passed, provided that no motions overturn the award of Samurai status in that time.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby orangedragonfire » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:00 pm UTC

Motion accepted!

Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.
§13 Refusals declared "not sound" are to be re-decided by the poster following the declaration of "not sound" who cannot be the original motion maker, original refuser, or the ninja who declared the reasoning "not sound".
§14 a Ninja shall not submit motions which promote the motion maker to Samurai status.
§15 On promotion to Samurai status, the ninja being promoted gains 5 bonus points as a reward. This reward shall be given 24 hours after the motion which grants the promotion is passed, provided that no motions overturn the award of Samurai status in that time.


Scores:
Spoiler:
aleph-null 5
Story Weaver 3
orangedragonfire 1
matt96 1
careyhammer -4


I make a motion to allow Double Motions. Making the same motion in both Nomy 1.0 and Nomic 16.0 within 10 minutes of each other shall be referred to as making a Double Motion. The "For the purposes of voting..." part of the motion need not be present in Nomy for the motion to be counted as a Double Motion. If the Double Motion gets accepted in both games, the rewards for acceptance shall be tripled.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby Kyreles » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:26 pm UTC

Mind if I join in?

Motion denied. I don't play the other one. The rules seem a bit too complicated for me to just jump in at this point and I don't want to lose points in this game.

I move that at no time shall there be more than 35 rules in effect. If a motion is passed that would introduce a 36th rule, it shall be considered denied until such a time that a previous rule has been rejected. Once a rule has been removed, the previously accepted motion shall be added to the rules in it's place.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby aleph-null » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:41 pm UTC

Motion accepted

Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Players may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All players in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.
§13 Refusals declared "not sound" are to be re-decided by the poster following the declaration of "not sound" who cannot be the original motion maker, original refuser, or the ninja who declared the reasoning "not sound".
§14 a Ninja shall not submit motions which promote the motion maker to Samurai status.
§15 On promotion to Samurai status, the ninja being promoted gains 5 bonus points as a reward. This reward shall be given 24 hours after the motion which grants the promotion is passed, provided that no motions overturn the award of Samurai status in that time.
§16 At no time shall there be more than 35 rules in effect. Motions passed once the motion limit has been reached will be considered denied until a pre-existing rule has been removed, at which point the 'denied' motion will come into effect.

Scores:
Spoiler:
aleph-null 5
Story Weaver 3
orangedragonfire 1
matt96 1
Kyreles 1
careyhammer -4

I move that if a motion is rejected, and that rejection is deemed sound, the initial motion maker's score is reduced by one point
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby Kyreles » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:22 pm UTC

Denied. I would accept if the wording were a bit more clear. The way it goes it: I propose <motion>. You reject for <reason>. I think <reason> is stupid, so I post after you saying so. You lose one point? Deemed sound by who?

I move that the title of Arbiter be created. If the Arbiter should determine that a rejection is not supported by a sound reason, the rejection shall be revoked and opened to a further vote. The act of determining that a refusal of a motion is not supported by a sound reason does not count as making a motion for the purposes of §2. This motion can be refered to as "The Arbiter can reject unsound rejections" in the official rules list if passed.

I don't know how the title of Arbiter should be granted. I'll let someone else figure that part out...

[edit]Well I misread and got the hypothetical a little wrong. The problem is still there of who determines the soundness of a rejection. Instead it goes I propose <motion>. You reject for <reason>. RandomOtherPerson agrees with you. I lose a point? Still not good. Are we trying to prevent people from proposing stupid motions?[/edit]
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby skellious » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:12 pm UTC

Denied. Those take away too much of the fun of a nomic, like in your main thread [EDIT: I realise you don't personally play the main game, but I'm speaking to the room] (Hi, I'm Skellious, I used to play Nomic here a few years back)

I corrected the rules in line with rule nine (which was itself self-correcting and now reads "all Ninjas in Nomy must be referred to as Ninjas." - i consider all Ninjas to have referred to all mentions of the former word, including in the rules, consider it like a set or class (class Nomy contains: rules, scores, posts.))

Rules:
Spoiler:
§1 This game is called Nomy, and is a game of Nomic.
§2 Ninjas may make one motion to change the rules per post.
§3 Motions are decided by the next player who posts. They can either be accepted or refused.
§4 If a motion is accepted, the rules have to be updated in that post.
§5 Double Posting is forbidden.
§6 The winner shall be the first person to get 30 motions accepted. The winner of Nomy shall get 10 points, and everyone who participates 3 points.
§7 The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas.
§8 In order to reject a motion a ninja must provide a sound reason as to why they are rejecting it, which cannot be "to stop the motion-maker winning". If the reason given is not judged sound by the next ninja (who cannot be the motion maker), they can say so with "Not sound". At that point, the rejecter is considered to have broken the rules.
§9 All Ninjas in Nomy must be referred to as ninjas
§10 Ninjas who distinguish themselves positively within Nomy shall be referred to as Samurai
§11 A post which passes a motion must include a correct table of scores (the score must include the motion that was just passed)
§12 The score of a player is reduced by one point for each infraction of the rules they make.
§13 Refusals declared "not sound" are to be re-decided by the poster following the declaration of "not sound" who cannot be the original motion maker, original refuser, or the ninja who declared the reasoning "not sound".
§14 a Ninja shall not submit motions which promote the motion maker to Samurai status.
§15 On promotion to Samurai status, the ninja being promoted gains 5 bonus points as a reward. This reward shall be given 24 hours after the motion which grants the promotion is passed, provided that no motions overturn the award of Samurai status in that time.
§16 At no time shall there be more than 35 rules in effect. Motions passed once the motion limit has been reached will be considered denied until a pre-existing rule has been removed, at which point the 'denied' motion will come into effect.


Scores:
Spoiler:
aleph-null 5
Story Weaver 3
orangedragonfire 1
matt96 1
Kyreles 1
careyhammer -4


I make a motion to remove the current rule §7 because it is factually inaccurate and this upsets me; In addition, rules will then be renumbered so that §8 becomes §7, §9 rule §8 and so on until rules are numbered §1 to §15 with no whole-number gaps in the numbering.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby Kyreles » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:09 am UTC

I will not accept or reject, just want to point out that in a strict reading of the rule it is absolutely factually true. The third motion on the game did contain a ninjas. Is was proposed by orangedragonfire and rejected.
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Re: Nomy 1.0

Postby skellious » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:45 am UTC

Point taken, in which case, I shall bring a revised motion:

I make a motion to remove the current rule §7 because it is grammatically inaccurate and this upsets me; In addition, rules will then be renumbered so that §8 becomes §7, §9 rule §8 and so on until rules are numbered §1 to §15 with no whole-number gaps in the numbering.

"The third motion in this game of Nomy involve ninjas" - missing an s or a d or the word "that" at the beginning.


It also takes up valuable space now we are limited on number of motions.
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