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by **_infina_** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:19 am UTC

Votals:
Boomfrog - 1(Az001)

by **BoomFrog** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:50 am UTC

Azrael001 wrote:Which can broadcast weird crap like in the Serenity scene with River flipping out.

That mind control was implanted by the alliance and presumably none of the rest of the crew or Reavers were brainwashed to have "flip out" switches. That's a crap theory.

by **roband** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:17 am UTC

Good luck Amy!

And that's zero content in the last 24 hours. Woweee.

by **roband** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:27 pm UTC

Offline for most of the weekend I'm afraid.

Gotta put my vote back where I need it to be:

Vote: Sungura

I hope you're still happy with that Misnomer, if you are town. Otherwise, we've definitely lost. Oh well.

by **Sungura** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:37 pm UTC

I have more job stuff to do today and leaving for the Easter weekend and will be offline as well. Hoping we can table the game for the few days and if day end is this weekend the mod will give a 2-day Easter extension?

This isn't as complete as I wanted it to be but it is where my thinking is at the moment. I decided to look instead of at people, at actions we *can confirm*. Because when I look at people I start getting paranoid about everyone and everyone looks bad.

Day 2: Az ends it early by pressing a red button
Day 4: Az has another red button, the "Ultrakilla Nuclear powered Plasma Cannon 5000. This gave me another red button with instructions to vote to aim, and pressing it to fire."
Day 7: Everyone has to post the same thing which includes voting for me. No one is claiming credit, lots theories but none provable.

D/N1 Deaths: GopherofPern (Dobson, Alliance), Greenlover (Operative, Alliance)
D/N2 Deaths: Adacore (River, Reaver)
D/N3 Deaths: mrface (Reaver) NO NK
D/N4 Deaths: SecondShadow (Saffron, indie), FireBurns (Reaver) NO NK
D/N5 Deaths: Chandani/Devorke (Malcom, modkill for inactivity), FAOT (Book, Reaver), MostlyNormal (Simon, lots thought he was reaver or alliance)
D/N6 Deaths: Angua (Zoe, Reaver)

Conclusions/thoughts:

Night Kills: We have ONE night kill going on, and it can clearly be blocked. Either that or perhaps it is independent single shot kills. Seems to be vigilante based due to the reavers and alliance being taken out with it. I think due to the straight shooting it is best interest to KEEP the kill in play. The role most likely for a vig is Jayne.

The Buttons: One time the button was clearly used in an anti-town manner (by design or by accident cannot be proven). The other time the button use was extremely public and did get the original reaver (dont forget it was my scumhunting that brought said reaver to light). Now, I do want to point out here that the wand the Blue Hands had to kill people with that made that loud noise, activates with a little red button (I just went back and looked at the scenes).

The Make-EveryonePost: Few theories here...
1) An invention (suggests Az)
2) Broadcasting event (suggests BF)
3) Mind Control (suggests blue hands)
4) Beyond-the-Grave ability (suggests River/Adacore)

Mass Claim Prevention:
The mod has said there are mechanisms to prevent/make mass claiming hard. Multiple ways to do this two main ones
1) lynchers
2) leave out some cannon characters - this allows easy falseclaiming

Surrounding me:
Being a strong town player has a twofold issue - 1) people tend to follow me, then become scared of me end-game for whatever reason and vote me off - this happens a lot and 2) the people who strongly follow me are often anti-town to get good townie cred

Roband - I think you are town and I hope you can find it somewhere to trust me that I am town.
Misnomer - You've been mostly quiet and background, this makes me nervous and I have no opinon on you
Boomfrog - Your claim does not sit well with me especially with the #2 theory for the message sent out. However you have promised to vote with the town so I see you as a less threat, but I wish you would be more active since claiming.
Az - You've been dumb (aka button #1), You have followed me very blindly, and You are most likely recruit clearly having confirmed powers and being well-trusted overall.

Should we be at a 4:1 town:reaver as I think we are, I think Azrael is MostLikelyReaver being recruited last night (remember in this scenario, yesterday had to be 5:2 so the recruit last night went through, and it is the new recruit that is alive because previously when a new recruit was targeted for a kill the flavour said so).

Should we be at 2:2:1 (town:HoB:reaver) as Roband thinks we are, Azrael is likely reaver and/or HoB (due to my new alt take on the button issue). Misnomer perhaps HoB, BF perhaps HoB/reaver.

If we dont hit reaver, reaver recruits tonight and town is sunk tomorrow no matter what, numberwise. If we are in 4:1 and lynch reaver, we win. If we don't night is 3:1 and they recruit that puts it at 2:2, and we rely on the kill to hit right. If we are 2:2:1 and lynch reaver, assuming HoB have the kill (which doesn't make sense with the only one (or none) kill pattern with a history of taking out alliance and reavers) night starts 2:2, HoB win. If we hit HoB, night starts 2:1:1, with a recruit and kill, town loss (sorry, Roband, one of those is gonna hit you most likely - you'd be the logical one, or Misnomer, other likliest town, which means town loss) as soon as only ONE town is hit. If we lynch town, well obviously we loose in the 2:2:1 scenario as well.

This means - in a 2:2:1 town is /already/ 100% fucked. In a 4:1, town is not fucked if we hit reaver.

Therefore it is best to go after a reaver today for the best shot at town victory.

Considering in both scenarios Az is likliest reaver, I will likely be voting for Az.

I am holding off on voting because it IS easter weekend and I want to give everyone chance to chime in. I hope the rest of you do the same. One vote on someone could mean a quick lynch while people are offline, which would not be a good thing Im sure we can all agree.

by **Azrael001** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:52 pm UTC

I haven't been in top form this game at all, and I know this. This is part of why I have been following Amy, though not blindly. I know that you don't lie, and you have, in this game, been excellent at rooting out the reavers. I think trusting the judgement of someone who has proven exceedingly good at finding reavers is a good idea, even if they could be alliance. We have done extremely well against the reavers so far, and still, they are one mislynch/kill away from victory.

I assumed that I would be converted last night, and so made an invention that wouldn't be any use to evil me. Presumably the remaining reaper thought that I would be too obvious of a choice too, as I remain sane.

by **Misnomer** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:08 pm UTC

Right... I think I've come to a decision.

Despite my earlier doubts, I think Amy is townie. She's proved consistently effective at scumhunting, and her roleclaim is sufficiently ballsy to be believable - and also explains her claimed immunity.

Roband is townie by virtue of somebody else calling him townie, and I don't believe we've got a 2-player faction remaining in this game ready to back each other up like that.

Az is complicated. From his play so far, I'd guess that if he was converted, he'd have been converted last night. The question is, did the convert go through before the kill? For balance reasons alone, that sounds just too powerful.

Which leaves BF. Flavour-wise, I have no doubt that he was behind the mass-message. It's entirely possible he was indie when he made his roleclaim, but there's absolutely no reason why an indie couldn't be culted.

I'm going to vote BF. If I'm right, we win. If I'm wrong, there's a chance my kill might buy us another day, depending on the game mechanics.

I'll hold off voting as per Amy's request, but I reckon my view's pretty settled now.

by **BoomFrog** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:41 am UTC

Misnomer wrote:If I'm wrong, there's a chance my kill might buy us another day

Are you claiming that the NKs have all been from you so far? You killed Greenlover, Adacore, MostlyNormal and mpolo?

by **Misnomer** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:16 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:
Misnomer wrote:If I'm wrong, there's a chance my kill might buy us another day

Are you claiming that the NKs have all been from you so far? You killed Greenlover, Adacore, MostlyNormal and mpolo?

The nature of my role is such that I cannot be certain, but yes I believe them to be. I certainly think I was responsible for mpolo's death.

by **BoomFrog** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:35 am UTC

Well it looks like Misnomer and Azreal are going to get me lynched if I don't do something. Misnomer has pretty much just confessed to being alliance so I'd be happy to put my vote down there. That will of course mean the Reavers win and town loses but I think I've been more then fair in trying to help town. Last chance to vote Azreal before I switch sides.

by **Misnomer** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:22 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote: Misnomer has pretty much just confessed to being alliance so I'd be happy to put my vote down there.

Yes, because it's inconcievable that Jayne would have a kill... :roll:

My decision to vote for you is looking better and better.

by **BoomFrog** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:32 pm UTC

No, it's inconceivable that there are no Alliance left and it is inconceivable that Alliance don't have a NK. What is your theory about the breakdown of alignments left if you're responsible for all of the NK's in the game? Or do you think two kill powers have only lead to 4 kills in six nights? So that's 8 blocked kills?

by **Sungura** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:29 pm UTC

Boomfrog you are being pretty ridiculous. Most of us thought Jayne was a logical choice for a vigilante role from the start. I still see this as a numbers game and that we need your vote but if you're going to "switch sides" you are of no use to us at all so why would we not vote you? Also, "switch sides"? Do you know who is what, is that part of your universe role? Do you know what factions/roles are left but not who is what? There has to be something you know about the game you aren't sharing. Now would be the time to spill.

Personally I think the very interesting thing is (and this is mostly adressed to Roband as he has been the huge it's 2:2:1 proponant which is how I am addressing this paragraph assuming Roband-correctness) - If Misnomer is Jayne and has the kill, do you still think we have alliance? If so, the alliance clearly doesn't have a kill, and by your own posts this makes them much less of a threat than the reavers, because the alliance cannot do anything to increase their "ratio" in the game other than the lynch vote same as reaver and anyone else. It is clear we have a reaver left (and you thinking it's 2:2:1, you agree with this) and it's clear reavers DO have their culting ability still and can take us over. If we hit reaver, Misnomer hits an alliance, then town wins. (Or if you agree with me that it's 4:1 we hit reaver and simply win) But if we take out the vig kill with alliance left then we are sunk. UNLESS Misnomer is reaver'd, which would add a whole new layer of complexity.

gahhhhhhhhhh my brain is going mad right now, too many permutations. I still say the majority of permutations (i've been running through these in thread even) say taking out reaver is the best in the most scenarios. In the case of Misnomer being in charge of the kill as Jayne, assuming he's not been reavered we should be good. I think the question more becomes is Misnomer or is Azrael the reaver. I doubt they would have hit you, Roband, and I doubt they would have messed with BF, someone so likely to get recruited, and I'm unrecruitable, so this is why I narrow it down to Misnomer or Azrael for likely reaver. Misnomer was (by default) jayne who was the likely one with the kill so that is another good person to recruit since recruitees keep their role and a little less obvious of a target than Az.

by **Azrael001** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:37 pm UTC

I apologize for my continued silence, I feel like I have said my piece, and cast my lot. I think that Amy is right about the number of remaining town and scum, and have said as much. I don't think that anyone has as yet said anything that has given me any reason to change my vote.

by **Misnomer** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:27 am UTC

Right, for the next few days I'm going to be busy digging around in archives for obscure historical sources about an obscure political party. During this time I won't have internet access, so seeing as my mind is pretty much made up I'm going to cast my vote now.

Vote: BoomFrog

by **_infina_** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:16 am UTC

24ish hours until deadline.

by **roband** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:46 pm UTC

_infina_ wrote:24ish hours until deadline.

Woooo.

Well, I just about disagree with everyone. Normally that'd make me back down, but I do not think I'm wrong.

Deadline falls at 5am for me, so I'll be thinking this over and making a final decision in the next 5-6 hours.

by **Sungura** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:59 pm UTC

Vote: Azrael
Sorry dude but I think you or misnomer is our reaver at about a 50/50, and I dont want to risk taking out a town kill if he is not the reaver. Also I think if there is alliance left, it is you because of the button thingie and those kills/dayends.

ALSO EVERYONE I WILL BE OFF THE INTERNET UNTIL MONDAY. Busy prepping and then attending a wedding

by **BoomFrog** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:15 am UTC

Fine.

Vote Azreal

by **_infina_** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:06 am UTC

Votals:
Boomfrog - 2 (Az001, Misnomer)
Amy - 1 (roband)
Az001 - 2 (Amy, Boomfrog)

About an hour left until deadline.

by **BoomFrog** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:31 am UTC

_infina_ wrote:
Chandani wrote:What happens in case of a tie?

Names are put into random.org list and a button is hit. Person on top gets lynched.

Bleh.

by **Azrael001** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:02 am UTC

Well, this is stressful. The game rests on the edge of a knife. I'd really rather it be decided by someone rational, than by a coin toss.

by **_infina_** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:17 am UTC

It is now night. I will change this later with some flavor and a title, but for now I am too tired.

Azrael001 has been lynched.

by **_infina_** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:49 pm UTC

It was calm, too calm. There was little disturbance during the night. The body of Boomfrog was found collapsed with a bullet in his head, and wearing blue gloves. It all made sense now. Everything, including the parts of machines and humans in Azrael001's room. The end was near.

Boomfrog is dead. He was a Hand of Blue
Azrael001 was Kaylee, Reaver.

It is now the final day. 3 Players, 2 to lynch.

by **Misnomer** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:42 am UTC

Huh... so BoomFrog's falseclaim actually led me to suspect him? Neat. Still wasn't expecting HoB though - I was kinda hoping he'd flip Reaver and we'd end the game.

But yeah, so we apparently have HoB after all. Which means that one of you's the other one. Man, whenever I reckon I've got this game figured, another twist turns up.

Anyways, I reckon that if one of you is HoB, the other is town. We killed and lynched a reaver in the last cycle - if we've still got them with us, then's this game's pretty screwed up. Still, if the situation's what I think it is, then our odds are looking pretty good.

by **Sungura** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:04 am UTC

So...pre-wedding jitters and I can't sleep so thought I'd browse the Nets one last time before I get up in a few hours to leave.

At this point I'm going to full claim because I see no reason not to.

Serenity always got to watch parts of things with Walsh alive. With Walsh dead, seeing got harder for her as she couldn't see through his eyes. Last night however she watched Misnomer, trying to figure out if he brought any evil of the Alliance as Jayne did try to flip sides. Instead, she saw Boomfrog, a HoB, attack Misnomer, Jayne, but yet instead of the HoB dying, Jayne struck back and was true, killing the HoB.

I think it is clear what is going on. Roband has feared me all along in my scumhunting ways, and as Walsh was reaver she only saw the reavers he brought in to protect (and the rest is just good reaverhunting) and has thus tried to get my lynched from day one. What I saw last night, it is obvious Jayne (misnomer) is true to who he says he is. This means that Inara must not really be a role, and being a non-main-crew is a logical one to leave out to help prevent mass claiming. It never made sense that Inara was vanilla either. The fact we have a day and one HoB, no indies left and no reavers left, means there must be another HoB. It all adds up. I have no other choice but to:

Vote: Roband

by **roband** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:56 am UTC

Ah wow. Sungura, when I read the day opening post and the Misnomer's post I truly thought you'd be trying to get me to vote for him...

Misnomer - I thought all was lost. It turns out we CAN win this. And I was all ready for it to be me who had to make the hard decision. I'm not going to try to defend myself or incriminate Amy (any more than I have done in previous days anyway) - all I will say is: who bought up the possibility of HoB being in the game?

Also, it's known that I'm pretty easy to read. Of course, with a cult that changes things, but we're not looking for a reaver, we're looking for the other HoB.

No wait. Ah fuck. What if Sungura is/always has been HoB and Misnomer was town but is now a reaver. 1-1-1.

If Sungura truly is unrecruitable then the Reavers will want to lynch her. Misnomer, whether you're town OR a reaver, I think lynching Sungura is the best thing for you. If you're town, WE win. If you're a reaver, YOU win.

Of course, if you're a reaver, it's impossible for me to win. Yet, as I said before - I'd prefer a reaver win over HoB. I'm babbling, it's not even 8am but I wanted to get this important post done.

It's on you dude - make this right.

[color=#0000FF]Vote: Sungura[/color]

by **Misnomer** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:35 am UTC

Right, ok.

Roband has claimed Vanilla Inara. If he's HoB and that was a false claim, he got pretty lucky in guessing to go for her and not any other characters. The Vanilla thing still worries, but the most likely thing for Inara is a roleblock, and abilities like mine aren't usually affected by that, so it shouldn't affect the outome..

Amy has claimed Serenity, an uncultable watcher who was some sort of super-watcher when Wash was in the game. Sounds a little too complex for my liking. Additionally, Amy's claimed watch on me is a little too convenient: BF targeting me is knowledge that she would have if she was HoB, and her speculation about the kill could easily have been pieced together from comments I've already made.

The little voice inside of doubt inside of me screams that there's still some sort of danger here, but tbh things are looking good.

Vote: Sungura

with a kill following in the night if necessary.

by **roband** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:52 am UTC

I fucking hope that's over and there are no vote-changing roles around...

Also, if you ARE town Misnomer - good job man. How the hell did we do that? Thank you, for trusting me in the end.

*waits for mod*

by **_infina_** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:42 pm UTC

Amy has been lynched. She was the Second Hand of Blue.

GAME OVER - Serenity Crew Wins.

by **roband** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:49 pm UTC

Fuck. Yeah.

by **Angua** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:51 pm UTC

Well done, roband!

Were you actually vanilla town?

by **roband** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:53 pm UTC

Yep. I'm like Amy, I don't lie

apart from when I made her lie

by **Angua** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:56 pm UTC

I was wondering if you had a more passive role, so were trying to get someone to target you because of that.

Even though I got recruited to the reavers, I'm still happy town won rather than anyone else (though I"d be happier if Reavers won

). Especially glad Amy didn't win, what with her picking off all the reavers one by one.

by **roband** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:00 pm UTC

Haha, like I said earlier in the game - I started off with "oh crap, vanilla, how boring" changed to "oh shit, there ARE power roles out there - I should try to act powerful to get myself NK'd in their place" to "I wish I had some sort of power so I could try and help town win..."

But there you go.

Thanks infina - not how I would have done Firefly mafia, but a fun game for sure.
Now, those of you who enjoyed the Large aspect of this game, may I direct your attention to the Sign Up Thread - where the next Large game is currently waiting for you to add YOUR name to the list

by **_infina_** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:01 pm UTC

It was close to an alliance win, that last kill was what decided it for town. If they had tried to kill roband instead of Misnomer, Alliance would have won.
EDIT: and up to Az001's lynch it was anyone's game.

by **BoomFrog** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:17 pm UTC

So close... Misnomer practically spelled out that he was a PGO but I thought he was simply a liar.

by **roband** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:31 pm UTC

Future townies: Telling the truth wins you games, apparently

by **BoomFrog** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:53 pm UTC

Btw infina, was there any actual disadvantage to claiming? Because it seems like there isn't. Amy and I and other non-crew really had it tough with the way things were setup.

by **Misnomer** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:29 pm UTC

I tried to keep a certain amount of ambiguity over whether or not I was a vig or a PGO in the hope I'd get targeted. Looks like it worked a treat.

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