[M] Political Parties Mafia: CNN projects: MAFIA WINS!

[Angua]

If you feel that it's a bad idea then just say so. It's been obvious this game that I've been having trouble getting my head around the mechanics.

As for the whole 'suggest bad idea then votes no lynch therefore obvious scum' - no lynch is probably our best bet with our one remaining cop. Lynching the wrong person will most likely result in our immediate demise. I would suggest that I get the remaining cop as scum probably aren't going to kill me (lots of wine - probably why they didn't kill me or snark last night given that we're pretty sure there's scum in bird so they must have known what was going on).

We can lynch misnomer if you want, but if they turn out to be town, then we are screwed immediately.


If there were two people in bear tomorrow, and we lynched one of them, would they be dissolved before they used their second kill?

Also, if people are in the monkey party, could we dissolve bear before it has a chance to carry out its kill?

[Snark]

I'm even more positive than before that Misnomer and Angua are both scum.

Reason: I give a choice between voting for her and voting for Misnomer. She says "We can lynch misnomer if you want, but if they turn out to be town, then we are screwed immediately." and then she goes and turns in a Bird party vote to investigate misnomer without placing a lynch-vote on him.

She's trying to protect Misnomer.

They're both scum. End of story.

[Angua]

No, because I think we should investigate the scummiest player. And I want a no lynch today, which means misnomer would be fine for being investigated. Your current plan gets your cop killed for nothing. You can not trust what I get if you want, but you're just consigning your cop to death if it's anyone but me.

Entertain for the moment the fact that I am, in fact, not scum.

If we miss today, we lose twenty dollars and my self respect. Which means if you're wrong, and misnomer isn't scum, then we lose

Try read what I'm saying.

[wam]

Im actually becoming of the opinion your both town.

As i posted earlier in the thread the only likely way snark could come up town is if you were both town or both scum.

As you are arguing so much I severly doubt that both of you are scum. Therefore you are both town.

As well we are convinced that bird has at least 1 scum that gives us one of Finglass or greenlover as scum.

I will go back over the thread and see if one of these seem scummy.

Also Angua the problem with a NL is the lack of extra information as almost certainly the person recieving the results will die, and if they don't they are probably scum.

Also as ahammel pointed out we will then be at lylo for the rest of the game whereas if we misslynch now we could still get away with something using party powers. This is based on the fact that the mod said it was possible mylo rather than given, rather than anything iv looked at.

[Angua]

What party powers though? If we don't think the cop with work, then the only thing we can do is go for the double lynch in bear and that also requires majority vote so scum can probably get the best of that too.

[Angua]

ACtually, scratch that because bear can't target themselves, so being in bear won't help us with lynching more.

If we lynch incorrectly today, we are definitely at a draw tomorrow.

[Snark]

@wam

What's your problem with a Misnomer lynch?

Since you're ignoring it and claiming Angua is town, I can't rule out you being scum with the two of them.

[wam]

The other option is to get a majority of the people we believe are town into fish, giving us an extra vote and thereby outvoting the mafia party, the hard part is choosing bear or fish without the mafia knowing and therby making it even in there. Any suggestions are welcome.

[Angua]

I don't think we can conceivably come up with a plan at this point without mafia not knowing about it.

[ahammel]

The other option is to get a majority of the people we believe are town into fish, giving us an extra vote and thereby outvoting the mafia party, the hard part is choosing bear or fish without the mafia knowing and therby making it even in there. Any suggestions are welcome.

Even if we could form a plan without mafia knowing about it, they don't even have to know. They just send everybody to Bear. If all the townies go to Bear, mafia wins. If some of the townies go to Fish, the extra vote doesn't matter because mafia control the Bearkill.

If we mislynch today we can't win. End of story.

[wam]

Yeah you are probably right although im sure there is some combinations that must work out other wise krong would have said mylo rather than possible mylo,

[Snark]

@wam

What's your problem with a Misnomer lynch?

Since you're ignoring it and claiming Angua is town, I can't rule out you being scum with the two of them.

Let's try this again.

wam, same question.

[wam]

Snark

I honestly didn't see your post.

I haven't responded to a misomer lynch as my feelings on him are fairly neutral and I think throwing votes out at the moment is a bad idea.

Why are you so keen for a misnomer lynch?

You also missed the part where I said I wasn't against an Angua lynch but had my doubts, I also voted for her yesterday (game day).

[Krong]

Votals:
2 - No Lynch (ahammel, Angua)
2 - Misnomer (TheMaskedGecko, Snark)

8 players alive, 5 to lynch
3 to lynch at deadline (Monday, April 16th, at 9:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time)

If there were two people in bear tomorrow, and we lynched one of them, would they be dissolved before they used their second kill?

Also, if people are in the monkey party, could we dissolve bear before it has a chance to carry out its kill?

No and no. Actions take place at night, and the party is dissolved in the morning. If a party is active during the day and votes to carry out an action, there isn't a way to prevent that action from taking place (other than the obvious Turtle-prevents-kills thing).

[Snark]

Unvote
Vote: No Lynch

For some strange reason, I no longer believe Angua is scum. Still think Misnomer is scum though. If he was town, then scum would be jumping at the chance to lynch him.

Just promise me that y'all will lynch Misnomer tomorrow, regardless of whether I'm still alive.

[CaptainFinglass]

To be honest, the only possible reason I would consider Angua scummy is if Snark really is scum, which, mind, with the distancing himself and such is still making me a bit suspicious. That being said, I don't think that's the case. Nothing else Angua has done has really made me think she's scum.

Quick question: it's MYLO tonight, right? Which implies if we lynch the wrong person, we lose. I think it would be safer if we did a NL, because a NK will take one person out of the equation, and the scum still won't have the majority of votes the next day. The possibilty of using Fish to get an extra vote is something to be considered, but it would also be easy for scum to direct said vote towards a townie and win the game.

Misnomer is leaning a bit more scum than town to my mind, but not enough (at least, not right now) to make me think he's actually part of the mafia.

Thus, No Lynch

[CaptainFinglass]

Preview buttons. They are good.

Vote: No Lynch

[Angua]

Ok, can we now hold off the voting as we're one away from hammer, and talk about what we're actually doing tomorrow? We're all moving to bear now? Can I confirm?

[TheMaskedGecko]

I don't think we have any choice at this point. As well as stopping a second, mafia controlled lynch, it's also the only way to stop them getting a fish based majority (we could all move to fish but that'd leave us vulnerable to bear). It's a case of damned if we do, completely fucked if we don't.

[wam]

I agree, we have to all move to bear.

[Snark]

As I explained already many posts ago: going to Bear is the only good choice.

[Angua]

Forgive me for wanting to make doubly certain before I switch to bear and no one else does.

[Angua]

I've switched now.

[Angua]

Also, a massive FoS to all you people who have barely said a thing all day:
Misnomer
Greenlover
Captainfinglass

You've all done what is effectively one (semi) content post today (I count posts with ebwops to be pretty much one).

[Snark]

I second what Angua said. I've already said far more than is healthy for anyone to say in a single day. Let's have some action from the lurkers.

[CaptainFinglass]

I've switched over to Bear.

Apologies for not posting very much.

Snark has settled down slightly, so I'm less suspicious of him than I was beforehand. That being said, I still think Angua is town, because her strategies are all quite reasoned out and make good sense for scumhunting.

That's really all I have to say, because my thoughts otherwise haven't changed from my last post.

[wam]

Unofficial votals

No Lynch 4 (angua, snark, ahammel, captain finglass)
Misnomer 1 (TMG)
Not voting wam, misnomer, greenlover

I would be happy to hammer and vote NL but am holding off in the hope of getting more discussion so that tomorrow at lylo we will have more information to go on.

Currently My thoughts are

Town, me, snark, angua

Scum misnomer, greenlover (mainly due to his massive lurking)

Which would leave 1 of ahammel and finglass as the remaining scum member. I am currently leaning towards ahammel but am not sure.

[Misnomer]

Apologies for inactivity, I've had a lot on recently.

I have now switched to bear - it's a pity though we won't be able to actually use the kill... -_-

No Lynch is pretty obviously the way to go here, though I'll hold off the hammer so that we can still talk.

I'm getting really bad vibes from Snark, but I think I'd better look over his posts to make sure this isn't just OMGUS instincts kicking in. TMG also earns himself an additional FoS from me for voting me at MYLO on the grounds of some really quite shaky reasoning (yes, if we succesfully lynch today we'd be better off for the rest of the game, but our odds of succesfully lynching tomorrow are much more favourable. Plus, while LYLO ever after isn't particularly desirable, neither is MYLO ever after: in both cases, we still lose if we make a mistake).

[Krong]

Votals:
4 - No Lynch (ahammel, Angua, Snark, CaptainFinglass)
1 - Misnomer (TheMaskedGecko)

8 players alive, 5 to lynch
3 to lynch at deadline (Monday, April 16th, at 9:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time)

[greenlover]

Alrighto. First, honestly, the reason I've been lurking even worse than normal is because I've really lost my footing in this game. But anyway.

First, I agree that switching to bear at this point is really the best idea. Also, quite obviously, a no lynch is the best way to go at this point. Thus,

Vote: no lynch

Right now, I would like to have Angua investigated if possible, and I would like the investigator to be someone that angua has not suggested, for obvious reasons. I feel pretty comfortable with wam as the investigator, as they've been giving me pretty towny vibes so far this game.

As for a player analysis, I've been getting pretty massive pings from both snark and misnomer. However, if Angua flips town tomorrow via wam's investigation, I'd be left with basically no choice but to accept snark as town.

Actually, here's a thought - why don't we have someone suspicious investigate Angua tonight? If they're NK'ed, that's one suspicious person out of play, giving us a higher chance of lynching correctly. If they live through the night and get a town result, we can confirm snark is certainly town (because there are a max of two scum in bird, since there must have been at least one in turtle), and that Angua is town (because snark and Angua's alignments are the same, apparently?). If they survive the night and get a scum result on Angua, then we can just pick between the two of them for a lynch - 50% chance of getting it right instead of a 40ish %. Right now, having wam investigate Angua would basically guarantee wam being NK, which doesn't give us much of a benefit. Thoughts?

[Krong]

It turns out politicians can agree to do nothing remarkably quickly. The council tabled all motions related to lynching, and began to prepare for a potentially decisive day tomorrow. The number of reporters on the scene, limited thus far, began to swell as the daylight ebbed.

Votals:
5 - No Lynch (ahammel, Angua, Snark, CaptainFinglass, greenlover)
1 - Misnomer (TheMaskedGecko)

The city council has decided not to lynch today.

It is now TWILIGHT. You may not post in this thread until morning. You may still chat and vote for actions in party chat and/or mafia chat.

Night will fall 24 hours from now, at 6:00PM Eastern Daylight Time on Saturday, April 14th.

[Krong]

Mod EBWOP:

I'll be busy tomorrow evening when the deadline falls and won't be on to process night for a bit. Expect D4 to start probably late Sunday.

When the deadline of 6PM tomorrow is reached, please end any party chat. I will not accept actions that come in after 6PM.

[Krong]

Less than 4 hours till the night deadline!

[Krong]

The group of reporters had grown to a full-fledged crowd by morning. In the course of their interviews, it was actually one of them who found the night's victim. Looking into her room, they discovered various pro-town bumper stickers and buttons.

Angua was nightkilled. She was TOWN.

Truly, these were desperate times. Desperate measures were taken.

The system of one-party rule by the Birds had shifted to one-party rule by the Bears, with only one dissenter. The smell of impending mafia victory was in the air, and it smelled like... root beer, for some reason. The council reconvened, with the townie members hoping for a streak of good decisions and the mafia preparing to celebrate.

7 players alive, 4 to lynch
3 to lynch at deadline

Deadline is Sunday, April 22nd, at 5:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time. (7 days from now.)
Please remember that actions should be mostly decided at day, with a short twilight to finalize.

Votals:
none

Party Membership:


Bear

• TheMaskedGecko
• ahammel
• Misnomer
• wam
• Snark
• CaptainFinglass

Independents

• greenlover

Party Status:
Bear: Active
Rabbit: Inactive
Monkey: Inactive
Turtle: DISSOLVED
Bird: DISSOLVED
Fish: Potentially Active

REMINDERS/WARNINGS
1. With 4 town and 3 scum remaining, it would be LYLO in a vanilla game. I will not call "official" MYLO or LYLO since actions may alter the equation.
2. The number of players needed to form a party is TWO for the rest of the game.

BEGIN DAY FOUR

[Snark]

I am now confirmed town. There are 3 town and 3 scum besides me. I will be NK'd tonight, unless scum is stupid.

As town, I will be recommending our next 3 lynches:
Misnomer today (if he was town, he'd likely have been NK'd last night instead of Angua)
TMG tomorrow (as he and Misnomer have been buddy-buddy)
CaptainFinglass the day after (it was between her, ahammel, and wam in my mind. Still not sure between them, but this is my best guess.)

If town deviates from these lynch choices, we're in serious danger of letting scum advise us of who to lynch.

If anyone wants to plead their case or make requests for me to change my lynch choices, I will listen.

If any townies think your scum-guesses are better than mine, your best bet is to talk to me about them first, instead of trying to change the lynch schedule after I'm dead (as that will make you look extremely scummy).

We have a whole week to decide, so I'm not putting down my vote just yet, and I'd ask no one else to either.

Town has a tiny shot at winning at this point, but this is our best bet. Let's make the most of it.

[ahammel]

I know at least one of my fellow former Turtles is scum. Misnomer seems marginally more likely to me than TMG. They've both been pretty lurky, but I don't like Misnomer's advocating the bearpile a day early, which would have cost us a confirmed townie today. The fact the he still lives is rather suspicious, but that argument is filled with wine, so I won't count it. TMG's vote for Misnomer on MYLO also rubs me the wrong way, but it was almost reasonable given the rest of his post.

Amongst non-ex-Turtles greenlover is beginning to worry me because 1) lurky, 2) he hammered the no-lynch yesterday, cutting off discussion and 3) he's independent today. Care to explain, GL?

[greenlover]

Amongst non-ex-Turtles greenlover is beginning to worry me because 1) lurky, 2) he hammered the no-lynch yesterday, cutting off discussion and 3) he's independent today. Care to explain, GL?

1) is typical, 2) ...I was unaware I was hammering no lynch, I was just trying to correct 1, 3) Apparently I forgot to send in my party switching. I could have sworn I did... regardless, though, I'm not sure how that last one is worrisome.

Anyway, like I said in the other thread, I'm going to be out of town for the next week, so my activity will be iffy at best. I'll try to get a few posts out in that time, though.

[ahammel]

It's worrisome because the plan was "everybody go to Bear". That said, mafia really have nothing to gain that I can see from not doing that, which is why you only got a mild FoS.

[TheMaskedGecko]

TMG tomorrow (as he and Misnomer have been buddy-buddy)

Buddy-buddy is of course slang for "has spent the last three days voting for misnomer". Being confirmed town a scum-hunter does not make. I am still convinced that misnomer is scum though.

Unofficial Vote: misnomer

(not going to but a proper vote down until all the townies decide on a target, to avoid the scum forcing a lunch.

[TheMaskedGecko]

Ebwop: I mean lynch. If the mafia want to force a lunch then I'm all for it.