The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

[Angua]

Werewolves

Spoiler:

Snark is a protector role it seems. Presumably town. I was hoping he'd come up vampire.

Still, good for krong, as it means we don't have to sacrifice him at some point.

[BoomFrog]

Fallout Mafia

Spoiler:

First of all, town is playing pretty poorly here. When you have a lynch candidate that is most popular from early D1 to the end of the day then your pretty much guaranteed that scum is happy with that lynch. Also, that very late start to trading helped scum a lot as there are some target's who have obviously not had a chance to use up their items.

Also, I'm glad no one took speech because it's looking like it's going to be completely useless. Notes for Fallout Mafia 2:

Buff stealth, it got nerfed too hard.
Buff speech (one-shot public vote control?)
Allow crafting at night.
Separate the lynch deadline and trading deadline? (24 hours to trade after the lynch?)
Simplify trading, there's been a lot of confusion.
Eliminate the lottery? (I expect it to be rarely actually used, but it's existence does encourage the behavior that I want which is the lynchee giving away all his stuff)
Take out spiked glove and make unarmed skill base 2 damage.

Crazy ideas:
Super mutants, ghouls, food needed each day, radiation poisoning, Greedy Survivor (must survive and have X value of stuff at the end to win), publicly known skills, redirection energy shield, poisons.

[Adam H]

Activity has been really low lately, what's up with that? (Or is it my imagination?)

I think we may be hitting saturation point with the number of games currently running and in sign-ups (plus we're about to add another medium to the sign-up thread). Maybe now would be a good time to cut down the game setups? I'm thinking replace the 6 large/medium/small/micro with 2 Large (>16), 2 Medium (8-16), and 1 small (<10). Leaving Turbo and Vanilla as they are.

If that's too dramatic of a change, maybe just bump down the number of players for medium/large a bit - instead of medium being 13-20 make it 12-18. Thoughts?

Basically, I wanna play Snatch!

[roband]

Me too! 5 more players needed, minimum.

[t1mm01994]

I've been away/ill and I believe roband isn't currently in game.. That accounts for roughly a 90 % drop :p

[Adam H]

Werewolf:

Spoiler:

Dear t1mm,

I've been wanting to ask you this for some time now. Every time I read one of your posts, my insides knot up and I get all lightheaded. Sometimes it gets so bad I start to feel sick. I guess what I'm getting around to asking is...

Will you be my nemesis?

[matt96]

2of4

Spoiler:

I was going to make a post, but then I decided against it, it would have read:

Is it me, or am I establishing a meta of doing something stupid that I think might be helpful that makes people suspicious of me D1, so far the only exception is Werewolf, as my failure of applying logic to The Evil Auction and asking for who is towniest in pypokemafia show, doing something stupid is absolutely normal for me to do.

[Deva]

Werewolf:

Spoiler:

Dear t1mm,

I've been wanting to ask you this for some time now. Every time I read one of your posts, my insides knot up and I get all lightheaded. Sometimes it gets so bad I start to feel sick. I guess what I'm getting around to asking is...

Will you be my nemesis?

Werewolf (May be read now by Adam H only)

Spoiler:

Adorable. Does tradition dictate offering your nemesis a prickly ring? Represents the thorn in your side.

"Promises to attempt to kill you, in good times or bad, in sickness or in health, until death do us part."

[Mostlynormal]

Evil Auction:

Spoiler:

I feel bad about the lack of activity Lataro. If I was town I might be making more of an effort to find scum. Right now I just want to avoid getting lynched myself and get it over with.

As an explanation for my actions for the folks scratching their heads at home, yes, fearless is my scumbuddy and yes, I am voting for her. I happen to know that she has plenty of energy to survive the lynch. When she does, we will kill mpolo during the night, proceed to claim scum tommorrow and lynch our way to victory with the help of the survivor (that must be TMG, right? I had Silknor pegged for a while but I keep forgetting that T1mm voted for Groucho, so LC couldn't have it).

[BoomFrog]

Activity has been really low lately, what's up with that? (Or is it my imagination?)

I think we may be hitting saturation point with the number of games currently running and in sign-ups (plus we're about to add another medium to the sign-up thread). Maybe now would be a good time to cut down the game setups? I'm thinking replace the 6 large/medium/small/micro with 2 Large (>16), 2 Medium (8-16), and 1 small (<10). Leaving Turbo and Vanilla as they are.

If that's too dramatic of a change, maybe just bump down the number of players for medium/large a bit - instead of medium being 13-20 make it 12-18. Thoughts?

Basically, I wanna play Snatch!

12 is a really good size for a game, I don't want to change the definition of small. Basically whats going on now is just that we really don't have the populations to do two larges at once (even if you redefine them as 16+). I would be happy to redefine medium as 16max instead of 20 max so this doesn't happen again. Maybe "grandfather" the current mediums in the queue to have 20 max if the moderators really want to.

What would really help stabilize things is have some sort of total living players max that cannot be exceeded and when that stat dies down then a new game can go into sign-ups. That take a lot more direct management to work though and so it's probably a bad idea.

[Snark]

Political Parties

Spoiler:

Sorry Misnomer, I tried.

[TheMaskedGecko]

Political parties

Spoiler:

Well that's done (I think). I'm paranoid that I've misread the rules and just outed me and captain F. Then again, I reckon ahammel could win the game by himself at this point.
Vaguely related note: speed hammering as scum is a lot more difficult than I thought, especially when you're time zones don't sync. It's lucky I happened to get home while the captain was online, otherwise this could have lasted a whole.

[Adam H]

Werewolf

Spoiler:

I'm going to lay a load of suspicion on JSO too. Put him on the same team Snark and Adam are on.

A worthy nemesis, indeed!

Seriously, t1mm can read me like a book. ZOMG KILL HIM ALREADY.

[ahammel]

Political parties

Spoiler:

Misnomer is now trying to get Greenlover mauled by a Bear. Mafia majority, anybody?

[Adam H]

12 is a really good size for a game, I don't want to change the definition of small. Basically whats going on now is just that we really don't have the populations to do two larges at once (even if you redefine them as 16+). I would be happy to redefine medium as 16max instead of 20 max so this doesn't happen again. Maybe "grandfather" the current mediums in the queue to have 20 max if the moderators really want to.

That's fine, though I feel the urge to point out that under the current system only 1 game (small) can be 12 players, and under my proposed plan 2 games (medium) could be 12 players.

So I think there's really no downside to redefining medium. 20 players is arbitrary, and it's really easy to change. How about everyone just say what they think is a good cutoff between medium and large (16, 18, 20), and then we just change the pre-signup queue if needed.

Vote: 18

[matt96]

Adam H's vote doesn't count, it was not bolded

[Vieto]

Hey guys, Mafia Avengers is in sign-ups. You know how when a video game comes out in concurrence with the movie, it ends up sucking? Well this is going to be nothing like that.

[Misnomer]

Werewolf:

Spoiler:

Aaaaaand the lovers are outed. This could get interesting.

[t1mm01994]

Werewolf:

Spoiler:

Could I.. Could it be... That I'm surviving this day? If so, epic lols, because I'm quite sure that 3 scum just piled on me to protect Snark, and I'm quite sure that that's the entire team. 10 vs SK should be fun.

[Adam H]

Werewolf:

Spoiler:

Oh how the tides have turned!

I still think t1mm is scum. I also think town is now the frontrunner for winning this game.

[Lataro]

Werewolf:

Spoiler:

Fuck... now I'm gonna die. Stupid having to confirm a cop result! If I live, I'll plant explosives on ahammel for not posting after that info was made known, and then detonate tomorrow.

[matt96]

werewolf

Spoiler:

Don't know If I posted this here yet, but I am a hunter, who can choose between tracking a target and a night kill each night, and last night, I tracked Lataro, who targeted Krong.

[t1mm01994]

Werewolf

Spoiler:

... Arse. I'm having that same feeling from Resistance, the one where I'm like "I'm majorly arsing up", but really, I can't let this lynch go now.

[Adam H]

Werewolf and Fallout:

Spoiler:

I'm sensing a trend where we're not allowed to suspect people based on actions, instead we're only allowed to suspect people based on content. I'm of the opinion that's a crappy way to play. Snark in Werewolf and Chickenfish in Fallout had valid points against fearless and t1mm respectively based on the NK, more valid IMO than "you're talking a lot and I don't agree with you", which is pretty much how all lynches seem to go down.

And if mafia does start framing people, then first, it means mafia isn't NKing who they would normally prefer to kill, and second, town can start considering that mafia might be framing a townie. But I don't think I've seen an obvious case of that yet on this forum.

It's why I like Resistance, I think. No lynches, lots of data.

[matt96]

werewolf

Spoiler:

I barely avoided having tied up the votals for the deadline there.

[BoomFrog]

Werewolf

Spoiler:

Well crap, I guess I should have just justified a reason to vote t1mm instead of going for AdamH. At least we got a claim out of Adam, and that's a really scummy claim too, surprised he didn't still get lynched.

Fallout Mafia

Spoiler:

How much scum do you think we got? 3 or 2?

Seriously is reading comprehension so bad? I stated at the start of D1 that there were three mafia. That's what you get for skimming trineroks.

[Snark]

Werewolves:

Spoiler:

Well there goes that game. The spoilers were fun to read. Tim needs to be outed as SK or he's gonna lynch Adam and Jesse next. Bet no one will guess that there's a fourth mafia running around though.

[Krong]

Werewolves:

Spoiler:

Well things certainly sped up towards the end there... thanks a lot, Snark Last time I checked the fora he was below the top vote-getter by a vote, and he managed to get lynched since then.

Didn't help that Outnuendo got modkilled too... my werewolf buddies are in for some pain...

Will read spoilers later, when I'm sure there's no craziness that could bring me back.

[fearless]

evil aution

Spoiler:

whoa didn't even have time to defend myself. well done MN -_-

[fearless]

auction

Spoiler:

but waiiiiit! I have lots of energy!!!

[Angua]

werewolves

Spoiler:

So, snark was scum afterall. That's annoying - it means that me vaguely defending him could have outed me. We'll see though

[wam]

werewolves

Spoiler:

Right so having just caught up on the choas that was werewolves yesterday Adam H is scum. As a town cop, I only get told whether a player is evil or not. Based on his detailed knowledge I think he is a mafia role cop. The hard bit is going to be getting a lynch through without roleclaiming. On a side note I am investigating JSO tonight, as I figure tim is town and likely to be NK anyway. Also Snark sorry I couldn't come in and lynch adam H instead but I still think one of you and krong will turn up scum in the morning

[Snark]

Werewolves:

Spoiler:

Well there goes that game. The spoilers were fun to read. Tim needs to be outed as SK or he's gonna lynch Adam and Jesse next. Bet no one will guess that there's a fourth mafia running around though.

Werewolves:

Spoiler:

Tim's not the SK. Ignore me. Got mixed up by a comment of his. Yeah I think town and indies by far have the best shot now.

[Lataro]

Evil Auction:

Spoiler:

Poor scum, they don't seem to realize that mpolo can only die if lynched if they keep putting him at less than positive energy. This should be interesting.

[matt96]

2of4

Spoiler:

If wam suicides, I will hate wam for the rest of eternity, or rather, I would, if wam coming up scum wouldn't prove that I am a townie (incorrectly) based on t1mm's logic, also, I am going to kill Chickenfish tonight, I am just getting a cop like vibe from Chickenfish

The Evil Auction

Spoiler:

I really have no idea what to do now, but at least we should have an inexpedient cop result to go on, and I should be at over 250 energy (if my maths are right)

Werewolf

Spoiler:

As a hunter who can choose between tracking someone and a night kill, I am debating between tracking someone (possibly fearless) and killing Lataro (because Lataro is Lataro is not good for town just look at all the ways Lataro is bad for town:
always creating wine,
being Lataro,
being awesome as scum,
being Lataro,
being hard to read,
being Lataro, the list goes on and on!)

If alive in any of these games and wanting to quote from one of these for a different game, use the [ quote="matt96"]Quote[/quote] without the space, copy and paste from the spoilered section you want to quote from, and be sure to put it back into a properly labeled spoiler inside the quote.

[tastelikecoke]

I'm planning to start a game about Madoka. I'm wondering who among the players here have ever watched it, or might be interested to it.

[wam]

2 of 4

Spoiler:

Argh I came so close to not being lynched. And the most annoying thing is the post taht made everyone think I was scummy was an honest mistake, I actually did get the games confused. Also Matt I was never going to suicide it. I was hoping people thought I would do it, leading to a NL, giving us an extra kill. Then try and blame forgetting the dealine and spread more wine. I had alos figured the odds of me getting lynched were really high so I might as well try and divert all attention from matt.

I did love tims comment that there was far to much bussing and risk between me and matt!

[matt96]

2of4

Spoiler:

Apparently Chickenfish was vanilla town(I say was because I am near certain Chickenfish is getting lynched today) but when town figures out that the remaining mafia member (me) targeted Chickenfish with the night kill (after Snark is NK'd or lynched by town thinking Snark was false claiming due to having my role, they will look at Chickenfish's scum list looking for scum trying to silence the voice calling them out as possible scum, and the withheld kill thing I mentioned was (IMAO) brilliant wine, the whole getting wam lynched instead of me thing was brilliant, as I had decent public information based suspicion (not OMGUS) and that puts me in the clear (for now), basically, what I am trying to say is that because there is a jailkeeper, there is only a 1/3 chance of a cop, who could ruin everything for me, and because there was no doctor claim, I feel it is likely we are in the setup of 1 jailkeeper and 6 vanilla town, and although the numbers suggest otherwise, I can still pull out a win after the town/scum list wam posted D1 that I feared would out us both right then and there,
Town no can haz shalt not have isn't going to achieve perfect victory (at least not with the way things are pilling up against Chickenfish)



Note to self: do not post unreadable walls of text, it is often poorly done (when I do it) and makes me look scummy (even though in this case I happen to be scum, that's not the point)

[Adam H]

Resistance 5:

Spoiler:

Mission 1: They should use KaCEoY, and save ITS for the next mission. Spies are going to crush this game out of the park.

[Adam H]

2 of 4:

Spoiler:

I'm on the replacement list so I haven't been reading spoilers, but I suspect t1mm. KrO2 and fearless could have pushed the votes toward MN if they wanted. Only Snark and t1mm were actively trying to save wam.

It would be totally awesome if scum-Snark realized that he was screwed unless he did something drastic - something like false-claiming bodyguard. If there's a counter-claim, he's put out of his misery, but if not... he might just win it!