Diadem wrote: Arisu wrote:
Diadem wrote:If he is declared sane, he can get the maximum sentence, which I believe is 20 years, but no more.
They can extend his sentence indefinitely: bbc
I see. I didn't know that. Thanks.
Not quite sure I agree with such a law on a philosophical level. But well...
From the reading list that someone left lying around:"Norway's tragedy will be used by some to speak of the dangers of populism. Others will insist that openly and sensitively these questions must be examined and not left to the internet chat rooms."
Why I care. Why does this interest me?
Nothing like this has happened in that land in, for like, 80 years.
I worry. Is it like popcorn?
That is the way it seemed to happen in the US. I was busy. I did not watch the news much. Oh. I stopped and watched as I walked through the kitchen, sometimes.
So; I am not an expert, even though, I was there. There was a school shooting 3 miles from my house. Five blocks from my house a man had a Police man stand over him and empty all the bullets in his Police issued firearm into the man.
I stood in the same little park and had an undercover Police man beat the crap out of one of the guys that was standing with me. I had met that man, before. He was in a bit of a disguise. The first time I met him he was dressed as a jogger. That last time he was dressed in leathers.
Yeah. That makes me sound as nuts as 'What's his name." There are Police people that have the job of dressing like civilians and fucking up other people's day. Sometimes it is nice to have them show up. Other times; Not so much. It is not only their mood. It is the Orders of the Day.
There is a strong anti government, anti intellectual, anti everything movement in the US. The government can do no right. At the same time a Hypocritical view of how wonderful and powerful the Nation is/was.
The people do not trust the Government. It is so bizzare. It was like popcorn over there.
First one school shooting; Then; Another.
Then; A bunch of random violence.
After, 911 I drove out to the coast.
It was weird. I listened to the radio on the way to the Coast. I was looking for something sane. There were Requiem played into the Night. Those Requiem will get to ya' after a while.
I quit listening to the radio. I stopped and listened to the waves. Smelled the salt air and peed along side the road. Yeah. All by my lone self. "To a mystical destination in the dark."
A dog is a nice companion. They are so much trouble. A small pack can take care of its self, sort of.
This guy, in Norway, said that he did not trust the Government. It was too free wheeling for his tastes? Yuck.
It is the Religion of Same and Different.
It is a Religion. Right? I have met some 'snarky' Religious people.
He has a Right to believe any 'Wing Nut' thing he wants to believe.
God's with Chariots of fire? Fine.
Burning Bush? O.K. With the change in the English Language that one is even funnier than before.
ewww. Some people keep a dead guy on a cross in every room.
Other people have the Gods of the Earth woven into their modern lives. It happens.
Religion. The right to play with our imaginations. The stuff Fairy Tails and Horror Flicks are made of.
This man ran across that line when he involved a bunch of people that did not want to play his game.
Spoiler for even more Off Topic than usual.
But; Religion based on Race. Yeah. That happens, too.
Some really good Religions can not be entered, except by birth.
They are called Families. Some of those Religions, suck.
Each and every Human being gets their own Religion. It exists in the Right Brain. Hey! It is a good theory!
The left brain is Language and Math busy, busy, busy.
The Right Brain is, just, as big. What is it doing?
Making shit up; Cracking Jokes; Knowing the difference between sex and good sex. See? Religion. Right Brain, stuff. Maybe the Right Brain does need a little guidance. This man's did.
What is going on with this man's Right Brain. I looked at the reading list. He was a little taken with himself. Right? (Narcissism?)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissismhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/self-absorbed
What is up with the portfolio of him dressed as demi Gods. It that real? Did he really do that?
The man looked good in some of those photos.
Were they photo shopped? How can I tell?
Crap. I am having a 'Run Logan Run' moment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run
Meets Fahrenheit 451http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451
Chat Rooms: This is a chat room.
The people of Norway made a statement. They said that they wanted to consider this in a serious way. "Norway's tragedy will be used by some to speak of the dangers of populism. Others will insist that openly and sensitively these questions must be examined and not left to the internet chat rooms."
This is an internet chat room. Maybe, we should not type about it.
From the article:
"Bjoern Ihler, 20, who survived the massacre on Utoeya and took care of two children aged eight and nine during the ordeal, has been called to testify during the trial. He told the BBC that he was ready to face Breivik and that he had accepted he would have to live with what happened for the rest of his life. "But I don't want Norway to change because of what Breivik did; we need to get back to who we were before the 22nd of July.""Who were they? Before? Who were they? A quiet people. That is the stereotype.
Another statement from that article:
"The survivors and victims' families want answers and hope that at the end of the trial he will disappear from the public space to allow the healing to begin."
It is so personal. These are real people that experienced sudden loss. Now; The rest of us want to stick our noses into their personal shit.
But; Maybe we can learn by watching what they do. Maybe, they are experts.
This man is not a hero of any kind. Although his planning and follow through are considered virtues in some circles. There is something that is not particular to this man, that is about all people.
Humans can get all fired up and self righteous about their cause. That is the part that is so difficult.
I spent an afternoon with a little old priest that had been released from jail two days earlier. He would not go away from a Nuclear Installation, somewhere. He said that he was praying. It seems some other people joined him. So; He went to jail for some weeks.
It was a sweet afternoon. He told me about taking a bus. He was alone. He turned his back on his luggage and it walked off. The poor sweet man. He wins childlike, not, childish. He had a ticket and he knew the Nuns were waiting for him. He was taking some time at a retreat house.
He lost things that were important to him in his luggage. So, funny. Outside jail is a little more dangerous than inside jail.
I knew a Quaker woman that would not lighten up about US trained death squads. She went to jail for three months.
Both of those people thought that they were doing something for the larger world.
The Twitter guy got about the same kind of punishment. More people heard his message.
Sure. They only got a few months each.
Is it the same part of the brain working? The part of the brain that wants to be a part of something larger than its self? Armies are joined by the willing to do what? Be a part of something right and good. Even if it means walking ankle deep in blood?
I am working on this. I don't, really, 'get' it. The Priest, The Quaker, The Twitter and The Nutter. Something very 'The Same' about each of them.
A passion.= Same.
A faith. =Same.
A need to be engaged in the world. =Same.
They all got arrested. =Same.
They all went to jail. =Same.
Something very different about their methods.
The Twitter and The Nutter really made a splash!
The Priest and the Quaker not so much.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.
Those that want to Know, Know.
Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
They do terrible things to people that Tell Them.