Mafia Avengers - Game Over - Skrull Supremacy!

[t1mm01994]

Why? Do you have some sort of voting restriction?

Nope, just showing my love to my best buddy Adam

3rd then 4th from last.

Wut? That'd be.. JSO and FAOT? What up about them? If they die soon, you probably should die, too.

[roband]

Sounds to me like Snark has something to claim. We don't know what the claim is and there could be day-time powers, so Snark I would advise claiming ASAP.

[mpolo]

Well, this has been going very animatedly. Which is good because we get a lot of information, and bad (for me) because I'm still using this annoying Windows laptop -- hopefully this afternoon I get a new computer... In the meantime, just trying to keep up.

I think the possibility of the scum not being fully united is very possible and possibly even likely. We shouldn't get too complacent with this idea that the top 13 are town, and the bottom 7 are scum, since the "power choice" thing could theoretically get us something like:

Norman Osborne [basing on Spiderman movies]: Overcome by guilt for your actions as the Green Goblin, you are determined to save Peter Parker from the actions of the Mafia. Power: bodyguard for Spiderman.

{The exact power is complicated by Spiderman's seeming disappearance from the character list, but something in that vein could be possible.}

or

Hulk: HULK SMASH! No have time for puny team! HULK SMASH everyone! Power: SK (or vig).

This is really just idle speculation, I suppose, but I do think that either multiple groups or conflicting goals within the scum group is very possible. And that some of the heroes may have had the option to take a less heroic power combination.

[roband]

mpolo - sure, but I don't think the mod would have let too many town roles have scum choices, otherwise if too many people picked them there'd be wayyy too many indies/scum roles.

What's more likely is that scum roles can come good. Or even be traitors, with their own agenda. I seem to recall traitors in the last Marvel game (or that might just be the word I used to describe infina ).

Anything is possible. D1s are always slow, recently, I really want to know what Snark knows.

[eculc]

T1mm: I'd have to agree with Roband - No need to get too trigger happy, especially since this *might* be some townie power (what exactly I'm not sure, but it's probably better to wait a bit rather that jump the gun)

From what I understand of the powers-choice, though, it seems unlikely that anyone got to choose their role (as in, scum vs. town vs. independent) and rather got to choose what kind of powers they have.

Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something.

[t1mm01994]

I didn't vote yet, yet someone told me to back off.. I've got a good feeling 'bout this day. What I meant at Adam v Snark is that either Adam is scummy for trying to get to know who's cultable (scummy if cult doesn't know this), or Snark is for not wanting it out (scummy if cult does know). But cannot decide which is scummy... Btw, if Snark ends up having recruit powers of an evil kind, it's time to instakill faot and aha.

[t1mm01994]

EBWOP: I'm going to stop posting from memory, it's messing with me. JSO instead of aha... But at least I spoke of someone in-game this time!

[Snark]

Sounds to me like Snark has something to claim. We don't know what the claim is and there could be day-time powers, so Snark I would advise claiming ASAP.

Anything is possible. D1s are always slow, recently, I really want to know what Snark knows.

Well, I wanted to see more discussion before I threw out such great info, but here it is: I chose the secondary ability "Surprise" which gave me a two-shot role cop that could be used at any time. I had a chance of losing one of them if a certain thing happened so I used both cops right away. One of them revealed a townie so I'll obviously be keeping that info under wraps for now, but the other was a character that the role spec has convinced me is evil beyond evil.

ForAllOfThis = MODOK

Vote: ForAllOfThis

Now to hear his defense and hope he doesn't have any abilities that will save him from the lynch.

Note: MODOK is 3rd from bottom of role list. ForAllOfThis is 4th from bottom on player list. Thus the "3rd then 4th from the bottom". I apologize for being cryptic, I just wanted it known that I knew the info early-on and wasn't making it up at day-end to distract attention from whatever might have been happening then.

[Woopate]

Vote: FAOT

That's a lot more than we normally have d1. I find it highly unlikely you are bluffing. Unless you win if FAOT dies. A risk I'm willing to take. This is more productive by far than going off of random votes and "who sucks at defending themselves from baseless attacks the most?". If you lie, clearly you die tomorow.

[roband]

Woah. Well I'm going to do the gentlemanly thing here and wait for a counterclaim.

However (and yes I'm going back on what I said here earlier about not trusting cop results), I don't think any illusions or role-copiers would have been used so early in the game. I think Snark caught us some scum.

ninj'd: I implore people to be wary around the hammer.

[Adam H]

Hehehe. Sweet.

So what are the ways Snark might be lying? He might be a lyncher or jester. Or he might be spectacularly bussing his teammate. Or he might be a scum telling the truth about a rival scum faction/indie.

But Occam gives the obvious course of action here.

Vote: Adam H
for being obviscum.
Unvote

Sorry man, I had to.

I'm not your man, bro!

[t1mm01994]

I'm not your bro, dude!
But yeah. FaoT, speak up.

[Vieto]

Faot - 2 (Snark, Woopate)
11 to lynch

[DaBigCheez]

Okay, so that was indeed the least subtle breadcrumb ever

Don't see any reason Snark would risk such a bold move D1 unless he really did have some evidence of FAOT's role (since otherwise he'd just get lynched right afterwards), with the possible exceptions of lyncher-who-knows-his-target, rolecop on a particularly powerful townie or an extremely aggressive pre-emptive bussing, of which I find the last two rather unlikely. Considering any redirect/illusion tomfoolery is unlikely to be in play yet, and there's still plenty of votes before hammer, I'm going to add a

Vote: FAOT

I don't want to see FAOT hammered before he has a chance to respond (and end the day's discussion, such as it is on D1), but this is a heck of a lot better evidence than we'd usually see D1.

[ForAllOfThis]

I can confirm I am MODOK, the inventor and current holder of the cosmic cube. Although I'm independent, not scum as you've assumed. I win as long as I have posession of the cosmic cube when the game ends. If I die, the cosmic cube is passed onto my killer, or the first person to vote me on that day (if lynched). As long as I keep the cosmic cube for 4 days, on D4 I am granted the ability to change anyones secondary ability to anything, effectively making me a kingmaker.

My primary ability is a vote-cop, which allows my first vote of the day to double up as a primary ability cop. My secondary ability allows me to read the thoughts of others, giving me a listener role during the night (targetted towards a single player). I was just going to lay low, gather information then pick a side to win come end-game. Now town has me by the balls, I'd be more than willing for town to direct where my abilities are used, in return for not being lynched.

If we have a deal, who's ability would you like me to rolecop, and would you like me to make it public?

[Snark]

You want to win, don't you? Why don't you want to be lynched if being lynched today will hand you a win (as you currently hold the cosmic cube)?

[Angua]

He said when the game ends - not him dying, if I"m reading this correctly. Anyone who kills him gets the cube, and the first person to vote for them with the lynch gets the cube.

Your lack of reading comprehension is unbecoming, snark.

[Snark]

EBWOP: Never mind. I just saw that you said you need to hold the cube when the game ends, not when the game ends for you.

Your explanation sounds plausible, but I'm leaving my vote for now because the cosmic cube sounds like a good thing to get.

If you truly are indy, what's to stop scum from NKing you tonight and taking the cube? I don't see why they'd let you live if you're gonna be a cop for the town.

What does the cube do for people besides yourself?

Ninja'd by Angua
Thanks for being so nice about my mistake.

[Vieto]

Faot - 3 (Snark, Woopate, DaBigCheez)
11 votes to lynch

[Adam H]

1) I don't believe FAOT's indie claim. It's a nice try, but after reading the wiki page for MODOK, I would be surprised if MODOK (which stands for Mobile Organism Designed Only for Killing) isn't a villain.

2) If FAOT is telling the truth, lynching MODOK gives the cosmic cube to snark, which incentivizes scum to kill a town who already used at least one of his powers and therefore is more vanilla than the average town (I would expect). It also gives a doctor/bodyguard a somewhat obvious choice to protect, which means that even if we don't have a doctor, scum probably won't NK snark because they know there's a good chance their kill won't be successful (hot damn I love anti-scum wine). And the longer we keep the scum from taking the cube, the more likely it is that the game will end (or we lynch the cube carrying scum) before the 4 day countdown is up. Unless I misunderstand FAOT's claim, and the cube is unlocked on D4 no matter how long it's been in any one player's possession.

3) If FAOT is telling the truth and we don't lynch him, scum will kill him and take the cube.

Point being, I think lynching FAOT is clearly the right move. Chances are a publicized rolecop benefits scum.

Vote: FAOT

[Vieto]

I should mention that, in the case of determining who is the killer in a lynch, it is the hammerer, not the first vote. Just clearing that up.

Faot - 4 (Snark, Woopate, DaBigCheez, Adam H)
11 votes to lynch

[Adam H]

That... actually makes things a lot less clear for me. If no one hammers, no one is the killer? I assumed this game follows standard rules, but there doesn't seem to be anything in the rules about lynching, so:

Can we lynch without hammering? What happens in case of a tie?

Depending on the answers, it seems like the right course of action is just to lynch FAOT without hammering.

[Angua]

@Snark - I'm sorry, I've got a scary oral exam tomorrow and so am very stressed.

[Vieto]

Can we lynch without hammering? What happens in case of a tie?

Yeah, I didn't specify it in the rules. In the case of a tie, both players are lynched. In order to lynch at the end of the day, you need a minimum of 1/3rd of the votes on a player. The last voter is the 'killer', but is only the hammerer if they force the lynch (aka, are the 11th voter today).

[Adam H]

Ok that's very clear, thanks!

[Angua]

OK, so we have the problem that whoever votes on FaoT last will probably get killed by scum so they can control the cube.

In the interest of not being last:
vote FaoT

[mpolo]

I also don't want to be last, as I have no idea what to do with a Cosmic Cube even if I had one.

Vote: ForAllOfThis

[Adam H]

FoS: Angua and mpolo who aren't looking at this from a team perspective. Someone has to vote last... would you rather it's scum?

[Adam H]

ebwop: I guess that should not be an FoS, since I don't really think it's scummy. More just like not thinking or explaining your actions clearly.

[Snark]

FoS: Angua and mpolo who aren't looking at this from a team perspective. Someone has to vote last... would you rather it's scum?

Oh God, this is hilarious. We're gonna have all kinds of people unvoting and revoting near day end to try and be the imfamous "killer". Everyone (town or scum) will claim that they are townies trying to keep the cube out of scum hands.

Mod, does unvoting and revoting make you the most recent voter and therefore killer? Or is the killer defined as the last player who votes for the lynched person for the first time?

So confusing, I know. I can explain it more clearly if necessary.

And just to be clear:

We need at least 7 votes to lynch at D1 end?

@Snark - I'm sorry, I've got a scary oral exam tomorrow and so am very stressed.

You're forgiven. It really wasn't that harsh to begin with. And I deserved it. Good luck with your face!

[Vieto]

Mod, does unvoting and revoting make you the most recent voter and therefore killer? Or is the killer defined as the last player who votes for the lynched person for the first time?

I want to say yes, because it would be hilarious to watch. However, this will be my policy on the issue:

If you go "unvote X" "vote X" or do some other silly trick just to change your position, your position does not change. If you actually have a good reason for unvoting, and alter re-voting, then it will change. I think these should be obvious, and I do not want to generate loopholes for this.

[ForAllOfThis]

Ok PMed the mod about some wording in my PM. I wasn't explicity told the effects that the cube would have on whoever it is passed onto but I've been told that the person will immediately become independent and their win condition will be changed to the same as mine is at the moment. They will also be granted the same ability to change powers within 4 days of getting the cube.

May as well prevent one person from voting for me.

Vote: Roband

Vote for me roband and I'll make whatever info I'm given public.

[Adam H]

Lol. What an extremely interesting D1. I am VERY skeptical that the cosmic cube exists and as of now I'm willing to vote last on FAOT if no one else wants to. It's an absolutely hilarious claim.

Until I hear from more people I'll:

Unvote

[wam]

Ok so day 1 just got far more interesting than D1s normally are.

Unofficial votals

FAOT 6 (snark, woopate, dabigcheez, angua, mpolo, wam)

Roband 1 (FAOT)

Theyre bandwagonning FAOT Theyre all scum!! Only joking!!

Ok having watched captain america 3 days ago, the cube does exist in the flavour. Although the role does seem overpowered.

I am tempted to be last as the powers FAOT claims the cube has are interesting but It does seem like painting a target on my head.

Therefore

Vote FAOT

If/when we lynch FAOT and he turns out to be indie we need to keep track of where the cube ends up as they will be really powerful on D4.

Assuming that everything FAOT has said is true (unlikely i know) is there anyway to remove the cube from circulation?

[Vieto]

votals
FAOT 6 (snark, woopate, dabigcheez, angua, mpolo, wam)
Roband 1 (FAOT)

[Vieto]

Spoiler:

*Note: Flavour is not related to who did the killing.

DaBigCheez is dead. He was Ultron, Using the Science Programming Secondary Ability. With his death, ends the Ultron Cult.

votals
FAOT 5 (snark, woopate, angua, mpolo, wam)
Roband 1 (FAOT)

19 players, 10 votes to lynch

[Snark]

A cult leader dead before the end of D1? Thank you kind stranger.

[JesseScottOwen]

It seems like everybody suspects that the cosmic cube might be a lie. Can we just decide whether or not we believe it's existent, so then when someone supposedly receives it, and claims that they don't have it, we already know whether we're going to believe them or not? Because if we're divided on that, then it's going to get muddy quickly tomorrow.

If we believe that FAOT is telling the truth, then we must assume that he can't use the cosmic cube until D4, so we can postpone his lynch until D3. Unless he has another power that I didn't read?

Mod Ninja'd. SHWEET! Also, someone just modkilled. So I'm scared to frickin' death.

Ninja'd again. I second the thanks.

[JesseScottOwen]

EBWOP: Not modkilled. Daykilled. My bad.

[ForAllOfThis]

Well, I got robands result back. I wasn't going to claim if I thought he was town, but he's not. Although apparently I have a secondary ability cop not a primary, well whatever, I got a rolename as well so it's all good =). He's Norman Osborn, with the secondary ability Pumpkin Bomb.