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by **ForAllOfThis** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:29 pm UTC

Seems like we've run out of things to discuss. I wouldn't be against going ahead and hammering Adam right now, see what the night brings and how we tackle tomorrow.

If I die tonight, I do think JSO or Finglass needs to be lynched tomorrow. If we hit what I think will be the last mafia with one of them, then look at lynching t1mm or boomfrog the day after. I wouldn't be at all shocked if one of them is a dusk druid (probably BF) and the other is our vampire (t1mm). Although as I feel either of them could be independent, either could be either roles. They'd be my best guesses at the moment, and the people I'm most suspicous of.

by **ahammel** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:09 pm UTC

I agree with FAOT. We've got an incriminating result and no counterclaims/contradictions/indication that FAOT is scum. We'll have more to discuss in the morning.

Vote: Adam H

by **BoomFrog** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:45 am UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:If we hit what I think will be the last mafia with one of them, then look at lynching t1mm or boomfrog the day after

Well, I disagree obviously, but I think we'll all be better off discussing it tomorrow. Right now more information helps scum target NKs to their advantage. It's not really going to help us lynch better, since everything that can be said about Adam has been said.

Vote: AdamH

by **wam** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:06 pm UTC

First thing looking through Fearless hasn't posted at all this day.

Mod can we get a prod on fearless

Jso has also posted one comment promsing to do a read through and then post and nothing!

Current unofficial votals

adam H 5 (Tim, wam, Faot, Ahammel, Boomfrog)

Could 2 more people please vote so that we can hammer adam and get going with day 4.

by **fearless** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:22 pm UTC

I'm here!!!! Sorry been really busy. Haven't really had a chance to analyse things. I'll just go with the majority.
vote adam

by **JesseScottOwen** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:46 pm UTC

Vote: Adam H

by **Adam H** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:51 pm UTC

Wait wait wait AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGggggghhhhhhhhh

by **Misnomer** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:23 pm UTC

Ok guys, remember that the deadline is in... oh wait, that's the hammer.

Rubbing his eyes, the journalist awoke from his slumber. The dreams had been getting worse... that's assuming they were dreams...

Misnomer knew what he had to do. If he was losing control of his own mind, he had to warn the townspeople. They probably wouldn't react too well but... it had to be done.

Stepping out into the afternoon sunshine, Misnomer headed to the town square. However, when he got there he found it completely empty. The only sign that anything had happened was the corpse of Adam H, swinging from a noose tied over a nearby lampost. Clearly, the townsfolk had lynched early today.

No matter, thought Misnomer, even if they weren't altogether, he'd just go find someone and explain the situation to them. But then he felt a familiar feeling wash over him... the fear... the numbness... that voice...

Adam H has recieved a majority of votes and has now been lynched. His role will be revealed in the morning.

It is now Night 3. Please send in your actions by 6pm BST, Saturday 28th April.

by **Misnomer** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:20 pm UTC

Once again guys, please try to get your actions in on time. A strict deadline of 6pm BST Sunday 29th April is now in place.

by **Misnomer** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:06 am UTC

The night was a long one... it seemed almost as if the sun itself was trying to minimise it's time over Xkcdia valley, given all the evil that had taken place...

Eventually though, the dawn came. As the sun's first rays flicked over the hilltops on to the town below, a familiar looking trio stood looking over the valley. Silently, the three hooded figures nodded, parted ways, and slowly made their descent down towards the town...

It was late morning by the time the bodies were discovered. On the path into the woods, ahammel found the mutilated body of Webby. Torn limb from limb, and surrounded by scattered medical supplies, it was pretty obvious what had happened here...
Webby has been killed in the night. He was the Doctor, Town, and could protect one player from night kills each night.

Meanwhile, over by the old church, Matt96 found the body of T1mm01994: his throat had been slit. All around him were crosses and other religious symbols... clearly, Xkcdia had lost another holy man.
T1mm01994 has been killed in the night. He was the Priest, Town. He could target one player each night and recieve a confession from them, a statement which would then be subject to a lie detector.

Gathering in the town square, they decided that they'd better take a look at Adam H's body as well... and here, at least, the news was better.
Adam H was the Mafia Consigliere, Anti-Town. He was a role-ability cop.

The townsfolk were making progress, but the forces of evil were clearly still out there... would they be able to survive?

9 players remaining, so 5 to lynch. Deadline set for 6pm BST, Friday 4th May.

by **wam** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:27 am UTC

Ok so we still have two kills out there.

I would assume we have the mafia, who killed tim based on flavour.

And the vampire/sk whole killed webby, although the flavour made it sound more like the werewolves than a vampire.

Having gone back and read through the last few pages, one thing that I noticed was how much CaptainFinglass tried to save Snark from a lynch.

On this basis

Vote Captain Finglass

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:25 pm UTC

Well, as you can probably tell now, I copped Webby night 1. Notice how I was suspicous of him D1, and then didn't bring it up again?

I targetted JSO last night but didn't get a result. I'm assuming I was roleblocked. Scum too scared to risk killing me, so just took away my power instead. Honestly, I couldn't decide between finglass or JSO and ended up flipping a coin on who to cop, so really need to hear more from the both of them.

by **fearless** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:11 pm UTC

How many anti-town players are likely still alive?
I'm ok with a JSO lynch but not cpt'finglass

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:16 pm UTC

fearless wrote:I'm ok with a JSO lynch but not cpt'finglass

Why?

by **JesseScottOwen** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:39 pm UTC

fearless wrote:I'm ok with a JSO lynch but not cpt'finglass

I'm not okay with a JSO lynch.

ForAllOfThis wrote:I think finglass is more likely scum-buddies with Adam than JSO is. A gut feeling more than anything else.

I know I'm not scum, but I've not seen Finglass's scumminess. Maybe I missed a glaring scummy post, or forgotten something because I'm playing too many games.

ForAllOfThis wrote:Well, as you can probably tell now, I copped Webby night 1. Notice how I was suspicous of him D1, and then didn't bring it up again?

I targetted JSO last night but didn't get a result. I'm assuming I was roleblocked. Scum too scared to risk killing me, so just took away my power instead. Honestly, I couldn't decide between finglass or JSO and ended up flipping a coin on who to cop, so really need to hear more from the both of them.

Or you just didn't check your role PM until after D1 ended so you could play without bias (as many people do, to my knowledge). Then you found out webby was your scumbuddy. You weren't killed last night, so that makes me assume that you're scum.

Vote: ForAllOfThis

by **ahammel** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:52 pm UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:Well, as you can probably tell now, I copped Webby night 1. Notice how I was suspicous of him D1, and then didn't bring it up again?

I targetted JSO last night but didn't get a result. I'm assuming I was roleblocked. Scum too scared to risk killing me, so just took away my power instead. Honestly, I couldn't decide between finglass or JSO and ended up flipping a coin on who to cop, so really need to hear more from the both of them.

Why on earth would scum be afraid to kill a semi-confirmed town rolecop?

JSO wrote:Or you just didn't check your role PM until after D1 ended so you could play without bias (as many people do, to my knowledge). Then you found out webby was your scumbuddy. You weren't killed last night, so that makes me assume that you're scum.

This is sort-of, almost, semi-plausible. Except for that last sentence. If we always lynched claimed townies who survived the night, we'd save scum a lot of work. Big FoS at JSO for that. I'm not prepared to vote JSO quite yet, because his allegedly scummy behaviour to date is pretty much the same as his behaviour as town in Political Parties, but he's certainly a candidate. I'll have to do a read-through and see if anybody was obviously trying to bail-out AdamH.

by **ahammel** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:57 pm UTC

EBWOP:

Something's been bugging me: where's the vampire? We haven't seen any puncture-marks since N1.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:04 pm UTC

JesseScottOwen wrote:Or you just didn't check your role PM until after D1 ended so you could play without bias (as many people do, to my knowledge). Then you found out webby was your scumbuddy. You weren't killed last night, so that makes me assume that you're scum.

Except Webby wasn't scum.

Misnomer wrote:Webby has been killed in the night. He was the Doctor, Town, and could protect one player from night kills each night.

If you meant Adam then keep reading...

Also, that's an extremely quick reaction to my situation. I'm calling attempted frame, a second time.

How do you explain that I knew there was a doctor on D3. when as far as I can tell, none of the kills had been blocked? Your also suggesting that I was pivotal in leading two lynches against Snark (first vote, pushed hard for a lynch) & Adam (claimed scum result against) who would have both been my scum buddies. Sure, it's possible, but would have been incredibly stupid.

Ninjaed - @Ahammel, they were scared because I had copped a doctor D1 so I knew I could be protected. With my claim I also claimed that I have a % chance of certain night actions failing against me, but haven't disclosed that percentage or what actions. Scum would have been taking a big risk in attempting to lynch me.

by **ahammel** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:20 pm UTC

FAOT wrote:[Scum] were scared [to nightkill me] because I had copped a doctor D1 so I knew I could be protected.

So you're saying that scum rolecopped webby as well and killed him instead of playing WIFOM with an NK on you? I suppose that's plausible.

I did a readthrough, and the closest I found to anybody trying to bail out Adam was this. It's quite a long shot to call Adam and GL scumbuddies based on that alone, however. GL's points were reasonable enough. He's quite difficult to read, but I don't think that post is enough even for an FoS. JSO remains the top candidate.

In hindsight it's pretty hilarious to read Adam and Snark trying to bus each other yesterday.

by **fearless** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:17 pm UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:
fearless wrote:I'm ok with a JSO lynch but not cpt'finglass

Why?

coz I investigated finglass on N2 and he came clean. JSO last night and was criminal. Timm the first night and didn't get a result.

by **JesseScottOwen** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:23 pm UTC

But I'm not scum! FOAT is scum, I believe. Fearless and Finglass are likely members of of the other scum faction, because she's lying about her cop result.

by **greenlover** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:35 pm UTC

Fearless, did you just claim cop? Just want to make sure we're all on the same page here.

If fearless really did just claim cop, then I'm up for a JSO lynch, certainly. If he flips town, then we can go after fearless, who must thus necessarily be scum. If he flips a towny miller, then... he was kinda lame for not claiming that at the beginning of the game.

by **wam** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:43 pm UTC

Right I have been debating whether to do this or not but anyway here goes, as there is so much wine and crazy claims going on. I figure this is best for town but If im wrong I am sorry.

Fearless is an insane cop.

How do I know this you say.

I am also a cop/seer, I get told whether a person is evil or not evil.

I investigated Fearless N1 and she came up Not evil.

I investigate JSO N2 and he came up not evil.

I investigated Tim last night and he came up not evil, was then killed giving me confirmation that my results are right.

Therefore Fearlesses results should be reversed and we should lynch finglass.

This is also why I thought Adam Hs claim was unbelievable.

I also don't see where the supscion of FAOT is coming from, he confirmed Adam H as scum. If he was bussing, he wouldn't have chosen an investigation role as he makes himself more likely to be killed by the other factions.

Ninjad by GL but It doesn't change what I have said, but makes me feel better about claiming as otherwise we could end up lynching two townies.

by **ahammel** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:06 pm UTC

wam wrote:I am also a cop/seer, I get told whether a person is evil or not evil.

Are you positive you will get an 'evil' result for both town and mafia?

The reason I ask is that a 'seer' can sometimes only detect werewolves. If that's what's going on here then fearless is a mafia cop and you're a wolf cop. If that's the case then JSO is scum. If the sane cop / insane cop interpretation is correct, then Finglass is scum (see Table 2). If anybody has any info that would decide between these hypotheses, now would be a good time to mention it.

Look, I made some tables:

Code: Select all: Table 1: the dead Scum Town Other ------------------------------------------------------------------- Snark (mafia doctor) Lataro (anarchist) DMC (druid) Adam (mafia rolecop) webby (doctor) Angua (wolf graverobber) timn01994 (priest) Outuendo (wolf tracker) TLC (minister) Krong (wolf redirect) mostlynormal(innkeeper) Table 2: the living Player Role info Role info (mafia cop / wolf cop) (sane cop / insane cop) --------------------------------------------------------------- wam claimed seer --- Finglass not mafia scum (fearless cop result) (fearless insane cop result) FAOT claimed limited rolecop --- fearless claimed cop --- JSO not werewolf town (wam seer result) (fearless insane cop result) mafia (wam sane cop result) (fearless cop result) greenlover n/a --- BoomFrog n/a --- Matt96 n/a --- ahammel n/a ---

by **ahammel** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:09 pm UTC

Errata: forgot to include wam's results on fearless.

Code: Select all: Table 1: the dead Scum Town Other ------------------------------------------------------------------- Snark (mafia doctor) Lataro (anarchist) DMC (druid) Adam (mafia rolecop) webby (doctor) Angua (wolf graverobber) timn01994 (priest) Outuendo (wolf tracker) TLC (minister) Krong (wolf redirect) mostlynormal(innkeeper) Table 2: the living Player Role info Role info (mafia cop / wolf cop) (sane cop / insane cop) --------------------------------------------------------------- wam claimed seer --- Finglass not mafia scum (fearless cop result) (fearless insane cop result) FAOT claimed limited rolecop --- fearless claimed cop town not werewolf (wam sane cop result) (wam seer result) --- JSO not werewolf town (wam seer result) (fearless insane cop result) mafia (wam sane cop result) (fearless cop result) greenlover n/a --- BoomFrog n/a --- Matt96 n/a --- ahammel n/a ---

by **wam** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:20 pm UTC

Ahammel

I have just very carefully re read all of my PMs and I think your interpretation is right, although I believe that I would get told who the vampire/sk is.

Therefore we should lynch JSO and if he turns up town, lynch fearless.

Im still up for lychning finglass based on their defense of Snark. It makes sense for me that both scum teams would have been aware of the lovers and therefore trying to save either from the lynch.

by **ahammel** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:14 pm UTC

Good enough for me. I'll withhold my vote unitl we hear from fearless.

fearless wrote:coz I investigated finglass on N2 and he [sic. Capt. Finglass prefers 'she'] came clean. JSO last night and was criminal. Timm the first night and didn't get a result.

Did you explicitly get the result 'criminal'? Is there anything in your role PMs to suggest that you only recieve mafia/not mafia results? Do you think you would be told if you investigated a werewolf?

by **matt96** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:59 pm UTC

Was I the only one to notice that apparently Webby's body was torn limb from limb? I am not sure about if we got rid of all the werewolves or not.

by **wam** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:45 pm UTC

I noticed it as well matt, see my first post of the day.

I reckon we have 1 werewolf, 2 mafia, 1 sk/vampire left.

Its why I am still happy to lynch finglass even though fearless said she wasnt scum as I reckon she maybe a werewolf.

by **greenlover** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:29 pm UTC

wam - if you really think that finglass is a werewolf, you should prefer lynching her over JSO. This is simply because that would remove one nk from the game, while we still need to find the other mafia member to remove the mafia nk.

Personally, given that the sole evidence of finglass being werewolf is because she...defended one of the mafia... I'm not quite sold on this. I'll have to do a read through of her posts before determining if I should vote for her, and would also like to hear a defense from her. For now, though, I'm pretty happy with a JSO lynch.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:25 pm UTC

ahammel wrote:
FAOT wrote:[Scum] were scared [to nightkill me] because I had copped a doctor D1 so I knew I could be protected.

So you're saying that scum rolecopped webby as well and killed him instead of playing WIFOM with an NK on you? I suppose that's plausible.

No, I think it was just a lucky shot. Adam shouldn't have been able to share his cop result with his scum buddy because we lynched him in the daytime. Adam was leaning pretty hard on webby yesterday though, could have been a slight breadcrumb (as scummate would have known who he copped, just not the result) but I can't see any evidence of him breadcrumbing webbys actual role in his posts, so it must have been a lucky kill on webby. Leaving me alive to spread wine then trying to lynch me next day seems to be JSO's plan though.

I believe fearless is a mafia-only cop, hence the criminal / not criminal, meaning that JSO is mafia. Wam seems to be our supernatural cop, so only detects werewolves and possibly the vampire. I can't see either of these roles being false-claimed and they both seem to check out.

That means our vampire and hopefully last scum is one of:

Finglass
Greenlover
Boomfrog
Matt
Ahammel

We need to be careful because I don't think we'll strictly be at 6/1 tomorrow (assuming we lynch JSO and one of us dies) because we have the druids/independents. So lylo/mylo etc can be a little tricky to see.

@Werewolf hunting: People suggesting we have another werewolf and mafia member would mean we (town) would have started with a minority. It's not a plausible setup. On top of that, we only had two kills last night, not three (which we would have had if mafia, werewolf + SK were still kicking around). The best thing to do is lynch JSO, if we still have two kills tonight then we can then assume that there might be another mafia member or werewolf around. I think it's really really unliekly though. As a result, I find greenlovers comment quite scummy:

greenlover wrote:wam - if you really think that finglass is a werewolf, you should prefer lynching her over JSO. This is simply because that would remove one nk from the game, while we still need to find the other mafia member to remove the mafia nk.

This reads to me as greenlover trying to keep JSO alive, and an extra NK in the game (if JSO is the last mafia). This could only benefit an indepedent or SK.

FoS: Greenlover

However my vote is going where I think the last mafia is.

Vote: JesseScottOwen

For fearless's claimed criminal result on him, and his poor attempt to frame me with wine.

by **matt96** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:41 pm UTC

I might actually be able to help here, I am a tracker, and I targeted Lataro N1 (He targeted Krong), fearless N2 (she targeted CaptainFinglass), and t1mm N3 (he targeted Boomfrog)
Based on the description of t1mm's role, it seems like the person targeted would know they were targeted and possibly that t1mm targeted them, because if so, then Boomfrog is likely to be the person that killed t1mm, with the intent of preventing t1mm from revealing to us that Boomfrog is scum, so for now I'll be fine with lynching Boomfrog, and until we can figure out what exactly the thing is with all of the people claiming to have investagative roles, I am just going to
Vote:Boomfrog

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:55 pm UTC

@Matt96: Wait what!? Nowhere does it say that Timms targets were notified. Finglass were you notified you were targetted by Tim N2? Even if they were, you can't rule out that Timm targeted BF and was coincidentally killed by someone else. He was really gunning for JSO today, so there's a good chance JSO killed him when you consider he's turned up guilty on a mafia cop. If anything Matt, it should suggest to you that Fearless is telling the truth as her story checks out with yours.

It's pretty clear that fearless is not an insane cop, but a mafia cop. Which means JSO is mafia.

Wam was speculating about fearless's sanity but made the mistake of stating it as a fact, which it is not. We need to lynch JSO, stop his kill tonight and then see how many kills go through tomorrow. If it's 2 we probably have a werewolf and vampire (very unlikely imo). If it's 1 it's probably just a vampire (very likely imo).

by **ForAllOfThis** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:08 pm UTC

EBWOP: On top of that, we can rule fearless as not mafia from the fact adam tried very hard to get her lynched D3, and not werewolf from Wams results. I can't see any motivation for her lying right now. I feel like one of those people yelling the answers at the screen when watching a quiz show right now.

If we have a werewolf-only cop, it's pretty obvious we're going to have a mafia-only cop as well.

by **matt96** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:10 pm UTC

I am assuming that t1mm's target was notified, based on my reading of his power, because it says that he would get a statement from them which would then be submitted to a lie detector, which I took to mean, he asks them something, they respond, he gets told if it was true, also, FAOT, where did you get Finglass being targeted by t1mm N2 from? I confirmed fearless targeted Finglass N2. Also, I know that fearless's story matches up with the results I got, but we still aren't sure about sanity. (sane, insane, and crazy would all work based on results)

by **matt96** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:11 pm UTC

EBWOP response to FAOT:
I am not saying we should lynch fearless, just that we should be cautious of the sanity, because no role is guaranteed to be sane.

by **greenlover** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:43 pm UTC

ForAllOfThis wrote:
greenlover wrote:wam - if you really think that finglass is a werewolf, you should prefer lynching her over JSO. This is simply because that would remove one nk from the game, while we still need to find the other mafia member to remove the mafia nk.

This reads to me as greenlover trying to keep JSO alive, and an extra NK in the game (if JSO is the last mafia). This could only benefit an indepedent or SK.

Do you disagree with my logic, FAOT? Assuming, as wam has done, that there really is another werewolf left over, wouldn't it be more logical to lynch the final werewolf than one of the two remaining mafia? You also assume that I, as sk, would necessarily know how many of each the werewolves and mafia there actually are in the game - your basis for this assumption?

Also something we should note about matt's claim - nothing he claimed is new information that can be verified. Both Lataro and tim are dead, and fearless already claimed that she targeted Finglass N2. Given that he suddenly claimed out of the blue right when it was growing pretty darn clear that JSO is today's lynch target and used his claim to place a vote on BF, it gives me the impression of our 4th mafia trying to save his buddy's hide.

by **Misnomer** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:48 pm UTC

Votals:

CaptainFinglass (1): wam
ForAllOfThis (1): JesseScottOwen
JesseScottOwen (1): ForAllOfThis
BoomFrog (1): Matt96

Not Voting (5): CaptainFinglass, Fearless, ahammel, Greenlover, BoomFrog

by **matt96** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:58 pm UTC

greenlover wrote:Also something we should note about matt's claim - nothing he claimed is new information that can be verified. Both Lataro and tim are dead, and fearless already claimed that she targeted Finglass N2. Given that he suddenly claimed out of the blue right when it was growing pretty darn clear that JSO is today's lynch target and used his claim to place a vote on BF, it gives me the impression of our 4th mafia trying to save his buddy's hide.

first off, I wasn't trying to save JSO, just making sure all the information I have is known to all, and I wasn't simply putting out new information that can't be verified, I was confirming that fearless was at least telling the truth about targeting Finglass N2, also you were the one who make a post indicating that it is possible that fearless is lying, which led me to believe that people wanted some kind of confirmation that fearless wasn't entirely making it up, and because targeting Finglass was true, it is significantly more likely that everything else fearless claimed is also true, but if my interpretation of t1mm's role was also right, then Boomfrog is also likely scum.

greenlover wrote:Fearless, did you just claim cop? Just want to make sure we're all on the same page here.

If fearless really did just claim cop, then I'm up for a JSO lynch, certainly. If he flips town, then we can go after fearless, who must thus necessarily be scum. If he flips a towny miller, then... he was kinda lame for not claiming that at the beginning of the game.

italicized part contains greenlover implying that it is possible fearless is lying.

@Boomfrog: can you tell us what happened last night, did you get told to send a statement to the mod or something?

by **BoomFrog** » Tue May 01, 2012 1:39 am UTC

Just woke up to a very busy thread, two quick things before since I don't have time for a long post until probably tomorrow. (It's a holiday here)

@Matt: I didn't receive any PM from the mod about t1mm's power use on me. However, in general powers are all resolved at the end of the night. If T1mm's power worked in the middle of the night and then someone roleblocked him it would be tricky to resolve as mod. I'm guessing if t1mm had lived I would have been asked for a statement when D4 started. If his power alerted scum they had been targeted when he used it and they could kill him before he reported to town it'd be a pretty crappy power.

It's pretty clear to me that fearless and wam are town and JSO is mafia, but we really should work out the numbers. the Webby kill does sound like werewolf not vampire, the t1mm kill is clearly Mafia. I think we still have one werewolf left and if we can figure out who that it they are a better lynch then mafia. Although I'm not going to object too hard to a confirmed mafia lynch.

If someone has a roleblock and blocked the same person N2 and N3 then you are very likely targeting the vampire and should come forward.

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