Mafia Avengers - Game Over - Skrull Supremacy!

[JesseScottOwen]

Yep. It was one of my three secondary options. Titled: Redemption.

Crap. I just remembered that my vote has no weight. Bullocks.

[wam]

Well that was unexpected.

My initial thought was to not lynch him today. On the basis, that if he got NK, it would prove that he was a traitor to scum. If he survived the night he should be lynched.

However, thinking about this in more depth, whatever happens it is just going to be a massive pile of wine.

Therefore we should just lynch him today and be done with it.

Vote: JesseScotOwen

However, before you get lynched, what can you tell us about scum? (as there are clearly some restrictions on how traitorous you can be, otherwise you would just out all scum (assuming your telling the truth))

[Angua]

Mafia traitor is a very odd claim to make. The only game I've been in so far with that role was Doctor Who, and that had all the mafia having their own win conditions (ie, be the sole survivor) - more like independents than actual townies. If other people have heard of a similar role though, then I'll have to think about that.

Also, looking back through the thread, JSO didn't even have a vote on them when they made this claim - they just had some FoSs (one, maybe two? I only saw Snark's but I didn't go back very far). Making such a claim without any real pressure is extremely odd.... Almost makes me think jester.....

[flarpfreak]

FOS For JSO When we were lynching FAOT, he said we should wait until D3 and then didn't vote for him. If he really is a double-agent, then why wouldn't he at least vote for scum in a lynch? All he would have to say to the mafia after was that he was bandwagoning.

[eculc]

Well. there's no good reason to lynch me that I've seen so far, besides the fact that I was the hammerer, and even then that seems like a weak reason. I'm sure few -if any- of you believe me when I say there was no reward from hammering, and even then adam thinks I knew that already.

JSO's claim of mafia traitor seems a bit odd, especially with the fact that there's no pressure on him whatsoever. however, I'll throw this out:

Deadpool: I'm bringing him up here, not to rolespec him, but to point out that he's been on both sides of the conflict (according to wikipedia, anyways) and he could go either way, or be an independent.

the flavor is there for such a role, so I'm not going to press to hard, especially since his vote on me doesn't count. nice expression of your opinion, though.

[flarpfreak]

The way I see it, either JSO's claim is true, we should lynch eculc, and the mafia will NK him OR his claim is untrue, we shouldn't lynch eculc, and someone should NK JSO because he is probably the jester.

[Snark]

Decisions, decisions.

Possibility 1: JSO is telling the truth. Eculc is therefore scum. We should lynch eculc today and JSO will probably be NK'd tonight. A 1 for 1 trade. Not bad for town.
Possibility 2: JSO is lying. Eculc is most likely not scum. We should lynch JSO today as he's scum.

Options: Lynch eculc to see what his alignment is and whether JSO survives the night. Ignore situation, lynching neither eculc or JSO and see who survives the night. Lynch JSO and if he turns up pro-town tomorrow, lynch eculc then. I like the last option - it gives us a 1for1 trade if JSO is telling the truth and only kills scum if JSO is lying.

Vote: JesseScottOwen

because I have no reason to believe a word he's saying. Because if he really is pro-town, then we can lynch eculc tomorrow for a 1/1 trade. If he's scum, (much more likely), then we're lynching scum. Rejoice.

[flarpfreak]

JSO is most likely scum, as Snark said, and lynching him will certainly add a decent amount of clarity to the situation.

VOTE: JSO

[JesseScottOwen]

Point one: You guys need to rethink which roles you believe are and are not scum/indy.

Point two: When everyone started talking about me, I interpreted that as suspicion, because postponed lynches and much discussion seems to lead to quick votes and hammers.

Point three (@flarpfreak): My vote has no weight, so it made no sense to vote for FOAT, and I didn't want to reveal yet that my vote was useless, because:

Point four (@eculc): You're right, my vote on you doesn't count. You especially would know, considering you've been explaining to me exactly how to use that to our advantage.

Also, I'm not Deadpool. But you knew that.

Ninja'd by flarpfreak. Nice analysis. Grade-A reasoning, there.

Double Ninja'd by Snark. It's like flarp's post all over again. No matter what, I'm not going to turn up pro-town. I'm scum, but a traitor to town.

Scum can protect eculc for as long as they like, but it's too late for them to protect him from a lynch TODAY. You guys should know that.

Triple Ninja'd.

[eculc]

Hm? I assumed that your vote didn't count because of a roleclaim as mafia traitor. if you're saying that it doesn't count for other reasons, well that works too.

[JesseScottOwen]

I haven't roleclaimed yet. Just power claimed. I will roleclaim, if the majority wants me to.

[eculc]

I interpreted that as a roleclaim.

I'm assuming you're trying to get me killed over something, although what that is exactly I'm not sure. If I *do* get lynched today, I'll turn town and you'll be the next target.

[roband]

Scum traitor? I doubt it. Such a game-breaking role, if you know everyone.

You certainly would not have a town-aligned role. Indie if anything. This is a difficult call.

[flarpfreak]

No matter what, I'm not going to turn up pro-town. I'm scum, but a traitor to town.

Given that when someone dies, we see their secondary ability name, and given that you have told us it's called redemption, it should be pretty easy to tell if you are lying or not based on what your secondary ability is called.

[JesseScottOwen]

Scum traitor? I doubt it. Such a game-breaking role, if you know everyone.

You certainly would not have a town-aligned role. Indie if anything. This is a difficult call.

To my knowledge, you're the only scum who didn't admit to having the option of becoming a traitor.

[roband]

Scum traitor? I doubt it. Such a game-breaking role, if you know everyone.

You certainly would not have a town-aligned role. Indie if anything. This is a difficult call.

To my knowledge, you're the only scum who didn't admit to having the option of becoming a traitor.

Wait, so now YOU'RE saying I'm scum as well? And you've spoken to me in night chat?

Ahhh dear, how boring. FAOT made it easy for me to vote him, by claiming I was scum.
Well done on doing the same thing.

Unless you're a jester, in which case you just very nearly played me perfectly...

[JesseScottOwen]

Scum traitor? I doubt it. Such a game-breaking role, if you know everyone.

You certainly would not have a town-aligned role. Indie if anything. This is a difficult call.

To my knowledge, you're the only scum who didn't admit to having the option of becoming a traitor.

Wait, so now YOU'RE saying I'm scum as well? And you've spoken to me in night chat?

Ahhh dear, how boring. FAOT made it easy for me to vote him, by claiming I was scum.
Well done on doing the same thing.

Unless you're a jester, in which case you just very nearly played me perfectly...

Um, I already said that you were scum. Check back in my first post today.

[JesseScottOwen]

EBWOP: FAOT was trying to save your butt. You won't be so lucky with me.

[roband]

Wut? Where in this post do you mention me?

My bad, guys. My computer at home never lets me log in, so I can only post while I'm at college. Considering tomorrow is the last day of Finals, posting will be even more erratic. My comment about FAOT was because he was scum.

I'm a mafia traitor to town. My win condition is the same as town's win condition. I can't say who scum is, but I WILL say that Adam H has the right idea today, and the hammerer yesterday should definitely die.

Vote: eculc

roband: target for wine

[JesseScottOwen]

"hammerer yesterday"

[eculc]

roband: "not hammerer yesterday"

I can see that you'd want to use that to attack me, but it's not like I haven't complained enough about it for you to not notice.

I'm not sure exactly what you want, JSO. I'm guessing you're a jester (maybe a jesterbomb) and this is exactly what you want. I'll wait and see before voting.

[roband]

Yeah, lol - I thought I hammered yesterday, but I didn't.

Considering you then went on to vote for euculc, I thought you meant him?

[t1mm01994]

How can I ever argue against bandwagons when there's near confirmed antitown all around?
Vote: JSO

[mpolo]

t1mm, you're turning against your principles.

I think we should stretch out this discussion a bit further and not just barrel through it.

I have seen scum traitor roles here on this very board. I think in Jurassic Park mafia. We also had a masons trator in that one, but he name claimed early on, so we kind of knew that he was going to stab us in the back. _IF_ JSO is really a traitor, he probably has a direct restriction to not allow him to name the other mafia.

[JesseScottOwen]

Yeah, lol - I thought I hammered yesterday, but I didn't.

Considering you then went on to vote for euculc, I thought you meant him?

Well, I can't vote twice, and my first vote doesn't count anyways.

[Adam H]

JSO, can you give us any info on the scum team? How many there are, the roles in it, etc.

[Angua]

@mpolo - did the mafia traitor in jurassic park have the same win condition as town, or was it a last man standing sort of thing?

[mpolo]

I think he was town, but had to survive as well. (Flavor was goofy -- we were all wearing paper bags with drawings of dinosaurs on our heads, and someone was actually in the raptor team but actually town.)

[JesseScottOwen]

JSO, can you give us any info on the scum team? How many there are, the roles in it, etc.

Sure! Can you guys back off a bit?

[Snark]

No matter what, I'm not going to turn up pro-town. I'm scum, but a traitor to town.

Seriously? You're claiming your win condition is a town win, but you know who the mafia are, and you're not allowed to say? but you are allowed to say "Yeah the guy Adam is voting for and the (not even the actual) hammerer yesterday are scum." And you just happen to claim that the two most suspicious people, the two that people are most likely to be lynced at the moment: eculc and roband, are scum. And furthermore if you get killed (lynched or NKd), you're saying that we're not going to be told that you were pro-town. This all sounds like a load of cheese whiz.

I think you're scum, and you're trying to get as many townies lynched as possible before going down yourself.

Not sure why anyone would believe you.

Side note: I bet JSO is lynch immune on odd days or something like that. I don't think he'd trade his life so easily just to get a single townie lynched.

Another possibility is that eculc and roband actually are his scum buddies and they're all just bussing the hell out of each other. Unlikely.

JSO, can you give us any info on the scum team? How many there are, the roles in it, etc.

Sure! Can you guys back off a bit?

Maybe after you give some real info.

[Angua]

I think he was town, but had to survive as well. (Flavor was goofy -- we were all wearing paper bags with drawings of dinosaurs on our heads, and someone was actually in the raptor team but actually town.)

Ok, so I guess JSO's claim isn't as far out as I thought. Though the fact that they are now saying that if we lynch them, they won't turn up pro-town is pretty suspect. They also went from 'their vote has no weight' to 'first vote has no weight' in a very short period of time.

I think they're throwing wine around. What I don't know is whether or not I think they're a jester. If they are a jester, then given the fact that everyone has two powers, they're probably a jesterbomb of some description. However, they could just be plain old scum playing the jester. I hate having to think in these sorts of circles.

[Vieto]

Votals
Day 2 Votals
T1mm - 1 - Roband
eculc - 1 - Adam H, JSO
JSO - 5 - Wam, Snark, flarp, JSO

17 players alive, 9 to lynch

[Angua]

Interesting. Votals have one less on eculc (which should be due to JSO's vote not counting if they're to be believed) and one more on JSO with JSO voting as well?

Is there a mistake with the names on the JSO vote?

[Angua]

ebwop: added quote for context just in case it does get changed later on:

Votals
Day 2 Votals
T1mm - 1 - Roband
eculc - 1 - Adam H, JSO
JSO - 5 - Wam, Snark, flarp, JSO

17 players alive, 9 to lynch

[JesseScottOwen]

None of my votes have any weight. I used the word first because of context.

[Vieto]

my bad, I accidently added the votee's name instead of the voter's. fixed

Votals
Day 2 Votals
T1mm - 1 - Roband
eculc - 1 - Adam H, JSO
JSO - 5 - Wam, Snark, flarp, t1mm

17 players alive, 9 to lynch

[Angua]

Ok, so either wam, snark, flarp or tim has a double vote, or our secret voter puller theirs out early. If it's a double vote, it's probably flarp or tim given than the half-day votal yesterday had the correct number with wam and snark voting. However, I won't discount the fact that this could be due to a different mechanic (ie if a bunch of people have different ways of changing the votes).

[JesseScottOwen]

I'd like for town to win. Town would like for town to win. I would like to be not lynched. You want more information. I can do that. Let's show some good faith. I've given you information. Let's see some unvotes.

Or is my only way to survive to act like a jester?

[Adam H]

Well, I'm really curious and impatient and I have the most badass secondary power ever so let's clear up some wine, shall we? I'm actually tending to believe parts of JSO's claim and I don't think we'd learn much from his death if he is scum traitor (or just plain old scum). So... rawr!

Kill: eculc

[Angua]

Adam - was that some sort of mind control post? Because it definitely felt very off.