Mafia Avengers - Game Over - Skrull Supremacy!

[Snark]

15 players remaining, 7 to lynch. Deadline in 4 days.

8 to lynch?

[Vieto]

Read the rules, notably the ones about lurking. 7 to lynch.

[matt96]

EBWOP:

Has Servant of Christ told us his results from last night, by the way?

No he has not! Come on already tell us Servant!

Sorry for not posting more, I was busy with real life things, but Adam H, why are you asking for SoC's result from last night when all powers were blocked last night? Personally, I am most suspicious of t1mm for quickly jumping to unvote after JSO's pathetically unbelievable claim, a traitor against the mafia who can't say who the scum are, but can say who to go after without saying any names, I would also call out flarpfreak on this, except flarpfreak is new (I think) and honestly seemed concerned about JSO being a jester, I probably am not the most impartial judge of t1mm, considering all of the finished games we were both in, but I think we are doing well this game, and t1mm's wording feels more like he was trying to convince people to unvote than he was explaining himself.

[Adam H]

Sorry for not posting more, I was busy with real life things, but Adam H, why are you asking for SoC's result from last night when all powers were blocked last night?

I was hoping he would forget that and falseclaim so we could get an easy lynch. But then you ruined it! Boooooo!

Nah, I really didn't think he'd fall for it, but I didn't see the downside to trying, especially since I couldn't tell if mpolo was going for the same thing or not.

I will kill someone in 24 hours. Better get your underlined votes in. (hehehe, I'm going to start demanding that everyone address me with underlined text, on a new line.)

[Snark]

Daykill Vote: t1mm01994

[CaptainFinglass]

So we're just treating Adam as a nice second lynch tool. Good to know.

It seems to me the conversation has stalled mostly because nothing happened last night. My original suspicions on Adam have been somewhat undone, mostly due to his openly volunteering his kill for (hopefully) town use. However, I'm not willing to justify him in my mind as town yet for two reasons: his decision to kill eculc for the vague possibility of information as well as hiring himself out as a sort of town based vig who the scum could easily influence.

[greenlover]

...as well as hiring himself out as a sort of town based vig who the scum could easily influence.

...You do realize that that's basically what the lynch is, right? Are you saying that we shouldn't lynch because it could be influenced by scum?

[Servant-of_Christ]

You asked for a full role claim, and explanation. This is probably a bad idea, but because I'm new, I'm willing to reveal general information, without specific numbers.
I am Ronin(Hawkeye). I have a passive ability with a chance to prevent things from affecting me(roleblock, kill, stun, etc.). I have arrows that do certain things, but i only have a limited number of each. some are cop arrows:

Cable-arrow: You have a follow ability, by having arrows with cables on them, allowing you to follow a target from roof-top to roof-top. Like Batman. Except you're a samurai, and a purple Green-arrow clone...

[CaptainFinglass]

...You do realize that that's basically what the lynch is, right? Are you saying that we shouldn't lynch because it could be influenced by scum?

Adam has complete control of this 'lynch' though. If he is scum with someone, all they'd have to do is make it look like a couple of them want to lynch a townie. Whereas they can try with the lynch, and sometimes that works, but no one person has the ultimate final kill in the actual lynch. That's my reasoning anyways.

[matt96]

...Did SoC just give up his vote for the day?
Day kill vote:t1mm
Just because I don't currently have a real vote doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion on who should be day killed.


Ninja'd by CaptainFinglass
Your problem can easily be avoided by just having people keep a running votal for our day kill votes, if Adam H goes against the majority, we lynch him.

[greenlover]

You asked for a full role claim, and explanation. This is probably a bad idea, but because I'm new, I'm willing to reveal general information, without specific numbers.
I am Ronin(Hawkeye). I have a passive ability with a chance to prevent things from affecting me(roleblock, kill, stun, etc.). I have arrows that do certain things, but i only have a limited number of each. some are cop arrows:

Cable-arrow: You have a follow ability, by having arrows with cables on them, allowing you to follow a target from roof-top to roof-top. Like Batman. Except you're a samurai, and a purple Green-arrow clone...

First - I'm not sure if this is a big deal, but you aren't supposed to quote directly from your role PM, or any private communication you have with the mod (real or faked). You might want to re-read the basic rules, just to make sure you understand all of them. Just fyi.
Second - that's not quite a copping power, but instead a tracking/watching power (unless I misunderstand what Vieto means by following ability). Although that's quite useful in certain situations, I don't think that will tell you what your targeted player's alignment is.

Finglass - Basically, what matt said. If we force Adam to stick to the will of the majority, his kill basically becomes a second lynch. Speaking of which, I support Adam killing off T1mm.

[Vieto]

You asked for a full role claim, and explanation. This is probably a bad idea, but because I'm new, I'm willing to reveal general information, without specific numbers.
I am Ronin(Hawkeye). I have a passive ability with a chance to prevent things from affecting me(roleblock, kill, stun, etc.). I have arrows that do certain things, but i only have a limited number of each. some are cop arrows:

Cable-arrow: You have a follow ability, by having arrows with cables on them, allowing you to follow a target from roof-top to roof-top. Like Batman. Except you're a samurai, and a purple Green-arrow clone...

I know you are new to online mafia, so I'm not going to enforce it this time, but its generally not allowed to quote or pretend to quote your role PM. That is all.

[Servant-of_Christ]

Ok. I assumed since it could be faked it was ok, but I apologize and won't do it again.

[flarpfreak]

FOS greenlover

I think Adam is just really enjoying having a public day kill. I know I would, in his shoes . Just don't turn into a loose cannon, Adam. After all, an impulse vig is way more dangerous to town than to scum.

Also, I'd like to hear a claim from servant_of_Christ, regarding their role. A full roleclaim would be ideal, as they're already going to be a target for scum due to being an outed investigation role.

You're the first one to suggest adam be the towns killer on a leash, then tell him not to be a loose cannon. Then you go on and ask SOC for a full role claim, that would only further endanger him to scum kills...just seems a bit fishy to me.

[mpolo]

I have no problem with the proposed T1mm daykill. I kind of prefer that vigs have a certain amount of freedom in their application of their power (less influence from scum), with the knowledge that they need to be willing to withhold the power if they don't have solid leads. In this case, however, with the totally public nature of the daykill, it's probably better to have open input about it. If Adam were to choose somebody else for his kill, I would expect a very detailed reasoning of why this was a better choice than what the public had suggested.

Unofficial day-kill vote: t1mm

[roband]

The problem I have with doing two votes is this - say we all vote to kill Tim now (and it certainly seems to be going that way), who do we then lynch? To me, right now, no-one is looking terribly bad. Certainly not enough to lynch.

So, we will kill Tim, who we suspect is scum. Then we lynch.. errmm.. someone. Someone who could be town. An 'extra lynch' via vig-kill is wonderful, but not if it means we end up lynching a townie because we kill our most-suspect person.

I would rather withhold the kill, lynch the person most of us seem to suspect (based on the current 'unofficial' votes) and remove the risk of killing a townie (yesterday's kill anyone?).

In summary - I want to lynch Tim, not vig-kill him.

[Woopate]

I'm a little unclear on how the kill works. If it's a day kill, doesn't the kill happen as soon as the mod notices? Or is it a vig kill, where the target dies at night?

If it's a day kill, that's a much more appealing option than a lynch, since we recieve information earlier, and without the cost of the mafia's nk.

[roband]

Sorry, I'm using the word 'vig' because I'm thinking of it as a town-controlled-kill.

[Angua]

While I don't really like the idea of 2 lynches (as I argued heavily against in party mafia), I think that given the choice, we should day-kill tim (or whoever), and no lynch if we feel it wasn't particularly helpful. Reason being - daykill gives us role and alignment before the night's end, while lynching means we go into the night blind, and people with town powers don't have whether we were right or wrong to direct their night action.

[mpolo]

That's a reasonable way forward. If T1mm is in fact scum, we can continue discussion to decide if a lynch is warranted for someone else. If he is town, then we might want to cut our losses and go with the no lynch option, rather than hurtling toward LYLO. (Of course, if another Loki wants to pipe up and make it impossible not to lynch him, we could do that, of course.)

[roband]

Deadline is about 3 days and 7 hours.

That's long enough for us to find someone else to lynch.

Adam, do it. Kill Tim.

[t1mm01994]

Welp, seems like I've been out of this thread for a bit too long.
Seeing the large amount of "votes" piling up on my head, it seems like time to claim.
I am Dr. Van Doom, but I am town aligned. I must have been the reason there was no nightkill last night, as I made mpolo bulletproof at D2 end. He seemed like normal mpolo town, and I was quite happy to use my power on him; this is my secondary ability, called Doombot. If anyone wants to know, I can share my primary ability too, but I think this'll do. I'll try my best to read up and do some scumhunting on my own.

[roband]

Dr Doom as town? I laugh at you.

Scum, your fake claims in this game have been terrible

[t1mm01994]

Not convinced? Primary ability: I got my role PM earlier than someone, probably everyone, with the task to choose my alignment, someone else would take my place as scum if I chose town. If I chose town, I'd get a 2nd life. So uhm.. Killing me won't be productive, either way.

[Snark]

Kill Tim. If he survives, maybe we can consider lynching him again/not lynching him based on part of his claim being true. Dr Doom as town is ridiculous.

[Snark]

Kill Tim. If he survives, maybe we can consider lynching him again/not lynching him based on part of his claim being true. Dr Doom as town is ridiculous.

The "part of his claim" being his extra life.

[Adam H]

Until proven otherwise, we should assume heroes are town and villains are scum. Captain america, Ultron, Modok, and Loki were all extremely straightforward... this is just another Loki/Modok claim, IMO.

Kill: t1mm01994

[t1mm01994]

*sigh*

[roband]

It's ok, I don't doubt that we can't kill you in one go anyway

I even believe that you're Doom. I don't believe that you're town.

We can kill you THEN lynch you. I'm cool with that.

*massive ninja* because I was very slow to write this message.
Let's see how THIS pans out

[roband]

*sigh*

This makes me certain that he's not going to die. We won't find out what his role is, but I hope to god(s?) it doesn't take more than 2 kills to get rid...

[Adam H]

Hehe, I actually had the opposite reaction. I was expecting, if his role pm was clear on the kill-immunity, that he would post some sort of content or a "see I told you so". That he did not makes me think he knows he's dead.

[Snark]

Wine out of the way, let's state our decisions now:

If Tim comes back dead, I'm going to

vote for him
or
not vote for him

There's no way Doom is townie. He's too afraid to false claim a real townie's role so he has to try to convince us that a villain is not a villain. I'd like others to make their decisions now. It will save time depending on how long it takes for Vieto to get online.

[roband]

As previously mentioned, I do not believe the claim. I will vote Tim

[wam]

Well I was trying to make my mind up (about tim) and then the whole claim thing happened, which sort of made it up for me.

I will vote to lynch him if he survives as Dr doom as town seems ridiculous, ( if he had claimed indie, might have been more believalbe, apart from modok and loki trying it as well!!). Although the story of the boy who cried wolf comes to mind!

If he does die we have plenty of time to find an additional target. I would prefer this over a NL as by doing this we have bascially gained ourselvs an extra day without the night.

Roband, is this the first person who we have lynched/day killed who hasnt told us to lynch you?

[roband]

He'll probably change his tune wam.. I'm obvi-scum in Marvel, haven't you heard?

[Adam H]

Something drastic would have to happen for me to not vote for him. In fact, there's no point in not...

Unvote: SoC

Vote: t1mm01994

I am Ronin(Hawkeye). I have a passive ability with a chance to prevent things from affecting me(roleblock, kill, stun, etc.). I have arrows that do certain things, but i only have a limited number of each. some are cop arrows:

OK, moving on slightly: Servant, the important thing is not your roleclaim, it's that we get the results of your "arrows". If you die tonight, you are useless to us! (I think you said you've played mafia in SC2 - if so, you should be aware we do not have last wills... I assume you already know this). Again, I'm not asking for the details of your role, just the info you got on N1 and N2.

[mpolo]

I can't see a reason not to vote for Dr. Doom, but I will certainly wait to see what kind of flavor that kill gives before committing to a vote.

I don't think that the possibility of choosing an alignment is totally out of the question. I have the impression that JSO really did have the option of choosing "Redemption", but chose not to do so. (Thus losing his vote when he revealed that option.) On the other hand, I would need a really good flavor argument to convince me that Doom can be a good guy.

[t1mm01994]

Since either I am not dead or I am not dead, I am allowed to post, but I am surprised about me being killed, then voted for.

[Vieto]

T1mm was hit with an attack, but not killed. He now only has 1 vote.

(also, Matt and T1mm regain their votes)

[roband]

He now only has 1 vote.

So Tim was our double voter then. Interesting.

TO THE LYNCH.