Ixtellor wrote:Just curious of any old time players are like me and feel that D&D was best at 2nd edition.
So, I grew up on 2nd edition, though I mostly DMed it and only remember playing in a few games of it.
I feel like 2nd edition was missing a lot of things that made the game playable. This could be patched- and so players patched it. But different players patched it in different ways, and so the 2nd edition that I played was probably different from the 2nd edition that you played. (The example that comes to mind was the idiotic rule that sought to make racial balance by giving different races different max levels. The human would shoot up past the elf's max level, but then the human would die of old age and the elf would still be high level. That's balanced, right? I don't know of anyone who looked at that rule and thought it was a good idea.)
And so a lot of the warmth people have towards 2nd edition is warmth towards an edition that they had customized for themselves, I think- if they spent as much time tweaking 3rd or 4th edition, they would enjoy it as much.
But 3rd and 4th are designed to be complete products (4th more successfully than 3rd)- and so it's not obvious which tweaks are sensible or desirable. (Most of the successful 4th tweaks that I saw had to do with altering monster pacing, not changing basic rules or character abilities) They also put the books much more on the side of the player than the DM- I remember in 2nd having the Player's Handbook and possibly one or two splatbooks which the players would use to look up stuff for their character, and then having the DMG and multiple monster manuals to build dungeons with (and possibly premade dungeons). In 4th, each class type has its own splatbook, and reading every power in the Player's Handbook is a chore that I still haven't gotten around to, 5 years after the game came out. There's about the same amount of DM material, but now it's much easier for both sides of the table to pull out something that the other didn't even know could
(Though the 4th edition online character builder makes this a bit easier on the DM, as you can read through your player's character sheets at your leisure.)