1138: "Heatmap"

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1138: "Heatmap"

Postby asdfzxc » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:04 am UTC

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Alt-text: There are also a lot of global versions of this map showing traffic to English-language websites which are indistinguishable from maps of the location of internet users who are native English speakers.

I don't want to think about the implications of the last map being just as hot as the other two.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:07 am UTC

So a furry Martha Stewart should be their mascot? Someone might have to get onto that.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby rhomboidal » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:10 am UTC

Martha recommends only using the best quality animal pelts for your furry porn.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Laremere » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:22 am UTC

The maps aren't identical. There is a higher heat in Texes for furry porn, especially in what appears to be the San Antonio area,

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Dr_Revels » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:59 am UTC

So what you're saying is, Where there are people, people do things. Deep....

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Airbard » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:00 am UTC

asdfzxc wrote:I don't want to think about the implications of the last map being just as hot as the other two.

Actually, I think its "hotter" than the other two.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby n079614 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:05 am UTC

Could one infer that most of Nevada's furry porn users have migrated to Texas?

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby MRiddickW » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:07 am UTC

I think my favorite part of this is the red blip for furry porn in the San Antonio, Texas area that doesn't show up in the other maps.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Zomba » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:09 am UTC

n079614 wrote:Could one infer that most of Nevada's furry porn users have migrated to Texas?


Looks more like NM's furry porn population. Perhaps they migrate seasonally?

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby LSK » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:38 am UTC

So what's the actual heatmap for consumers of furry pornography?

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Darvince » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:13 am UTC

It peaks in any town or city with the word "fur" in its name.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Patashu » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:16 am UTC

This is something that bothers me a lot too, for lots of kinds of statistics. For instance youtube offers a service where you can see how many people watch your video to certain points in time in the video. But looking at it I can't help but think - so, what is the curve like on average? Is this normal or bad? With just one data point and no average to compare to I have no clue. Similarly, heat maps should not be absolute 'people tend to come from here' but a relative 'a surprising number of people come from here, while a surprisingly few number of people come from here'

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Valtiel » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:30 am UTC

...So why is San Antonio on the furry porn map but not either of the other two?

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Angelastic » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:38 am UTC

Patashu wrote:This is something that bothers me a lot too, for lots of kinds of statistics. For instance youtube offers a service where you can see how many people watch your video to certain points in time in the video. But looking at it I can't help but think - so, what is the curve like on average? Is this normal or bad? With just one data point and no average to compare to I have no clue.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby vodka.cobra » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:16 am UTC

I'm really surprised there isn't a dark red dot on Orlando, which I've been told by many is like a furry mecca. (For comparison: Check furry social sites like Pounced.org and type in a city.)
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby eviloatmeal » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:40 am UTC

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The implications are quite clear indeed. If you subtract figure 3 from figure 2, as I've done above, the green spots indicate where Martha Stewart can tour without packing a crotchless bunny suit.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby VectorZero » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:53 am UTC

I'll just go ahead and assume all three maps use the same intensity scale. Seems likely.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Dr. Gamera » Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:52 pm UTC

This is the big problem with the otherwise interesting maps at worldmapper.org. So many of them look too much like the basic land area map (http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=1), the basic population map (http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=2), or the basic wealth map (http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=170). Religion maps and language maps are the big exceptions.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:19 pm UTC

Just checking in to say 'Well, duh!'
At the very least, need to normalize those maps by both population density and density of available internet connections.

It's the same as the old political idiocy: Side 1 says "crime is up: there are 20% more incidents," Side 2 says "crime is down, there are 10% fewer incidents per 1000 people." Both can be correct.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby mikrit » Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:42 pm UTC

One can use a cartogram, based on population density, as background map.
I love cartograms.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby OP Tipping » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:21 pm UTC

Do you know what I hate?

Colour codes maps keyed to extensive, rather than intrinsic, properties.

e.g. red for nations that have populations over 100 M, orange for nations with populations between 50 M and 100 M, etc.

Idiocy!

It is okay for intrinsic properties, e.g. population density, per capita GDP, but people who make colour coded maps of extensive properties
a) need to be exiled to Mars, and
b) seem to make most of the maps on Wikipedia.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby SmoothBlade » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:36 pm UTC

Being a furry myself I should note that not all furries are into furry porn, and not all of furry porn is viewed exclusively by furries.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby neoliminal » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:41 pm UTC

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby ukiitm » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:47 pm UTC

@ OP Tipping - Why is that? I see no problem with having a scale for extrinsic properties (how else do you represent them?) as long as one states what the variable is explicitly. Then again, maybe I should be in Mars. Btw, do I know you from Flaming Bails?

Has anyone found the map referred to in the alt-text (that of English website traffic)?

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby WolfieMario » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:56 pm UTC

SmoothBlade wrote:Being a furry myself I should note that not all furries are into furry porn, and not all of furry porn is viewed exclusively by furries.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Jackpot777 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:48 pm UTC

eviloatmeal wrote:
heatmap.png
The implications are quite clear indeed. If you subtract figure 3 from figure 2, as I've done above, the green spots indicate where Martha Stewart can tour without packing a crotchless bunny suit.


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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby endolith » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:16 pm UTC

OP Tipping wrote:b) seem to make most of the maps on Wikipedia.


Complain on the talk page for the map and/or upload a replacement

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby dudiobugtron » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:53 pm UTC

SmoothBlade wrote:Being a furry myself I should note that not all furries are into furry porn, and not all of furry porn is viewed exclusively by furries.

I found this out the hard way.
I now know that as well as furries, it is also viewed by people with a parent who really likes furry porn and wants to show it off to their children for some reason. ("Isn't the artwork amazing?")

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:16 pm UTC

WolfieMario wrote:
SmoothBlade wrote:Being a furry myself I should note that not all furries are into furry porn, and not all of furry porn is viewed exclusively by furries.

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Now we need one of relative density of homosexuals and relative density of heterosexuals vs. furry porn customers.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Bromskloss » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:48 pm UTC

Hmm, the business implications are not clear at all to me.

By the way, why are the forums no longer linked to from the main XKCD page?

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby dudiobugtron » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:54 pm UTC

Bromskloss wrote:By the way, why are the forums no longer linked to from the main XKCD page?

They got bumped by 'what-if'. Perhaps it's research for a future 'what-if' - "What if we get rid of the link to the forums?".
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby LtNOWIS » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:44 pm UTC

OP Tipping wrote:Do you know what I hate?

Colour codes maps keyed to extensive, rather than intrinsic, properties.

e.g. red for nations that have populations over 100 M, orange for nations with populations between 50 M and 100 M, etc.

Idiocy!

It is okay for intrinsic properties, e.g. population density, per capita GDP, but people who make colour coded maps of extensive properties
a) need to be exiled to Mars, and
b) seem to make most of the maps on Wikipedia.

This is the best one.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby obfpen » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:21 am UTC

OP Tipping wrote:Do you know what I hate?

Colour codes maps keyed to extensive, rather than intrinsic, properties.

e.g. red for nations that have populations over 100 M, orange for nations with populations between 50 M and 100 M, etc.

Idiocy!

If international population density were homogeneous and total population simply followed from country size, you might have a point. It isn't though, so maps keyed to total population can be useful. Maybe not to you but—as those same maps show—there are plenty of other people in the world.

For example, given an interest in total population but only permitted a colour-keyed map for population density, it's not necessarily apparent whether one irregularly shaped, somewhat-large, yellow-green country has a greater absolute population than another convoluted, moderately smaller, orange one.

For a complete picture, both extensive and intensive properties have to be considered. And if a colour-keyed map can usefully convey extensive data too, where, exactly, is the idiocy?

LtNOWIS wrote:This is the best one.

The problem there is only that it lacks chromatic resolution. For non-colourblind people, it is arguably easier to compare hues than the size of irregular polygons. Given more colours it could be useful.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby elustran » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:04 am UTC

Without seeing some form of evidence, I refuse to believe that there are fewer furries in Phoenix than elsewhere. Not to rag on furries in particular, but that place is such a nexus of alternative living that I have my doubts.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby mschmidt62 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:19 am UTC

So all those folks in Portland, OR aren't watching furry porn or reading Martha Stewart? I thought it would have been a hotbed for both.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby drummerpatch » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:43 am UTC

mschmidt62 wrote:So all those folks in Portland, OR aren't watching furry porn or reading Martha Stewart? I thought it would have been a hotbed for both.


As someone who lives only a bit south of Portland, I can confirm this one. It ought to be bright red on both maps.

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby Brace » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:46 pm UTC

SmoothBlade wrote:Being a furry myself I should note that not all furries are into furry porn, and not all of furry porn is viewed exclusively by furries.


Most are into porn. You can go to any furcon and buy erotic art in the dealers room, often at the art show also. I think the bigger problem is the puritanical mindset which says that having fetishes is a character defect, although I understand it's harder to defend something people have a problem with than to just say "I'm not one of those". What's completely wrong is the idea that furries have sex in fursuits. Those things are really expensive and cumbersome! Two attributes which lend against such practices. Plus most furries don't even fursuit.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby obzabor » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:24 pm UTC

My pet peeve #209: where did Alaska go again?

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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby orthogon » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:10 pm UTC

LtNOWIS wrote:This is the best one.


Here is an intrinsic version.

[Edit] Actually it looks a bit like a Mercator. I maintain that white still represents an area density of 1.0, but is arguably misleading since you wouldn't get the right answer by integrating dA in the projection.

[Edit2] Presumably the Tardis would have an area density greater than 1.
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Re: 1138: "Heatmap"

Postby standingwave » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:28 pm UTC

OP Tipping wrote:It is okay for intrinsic properties, e.g. population density, per capita GDP, but people who make colour coded maps of extensive properties


This. I searched the thread for "per capita" and found your post.


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