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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun May 05, 2013 3:12 pm UTC

jjjdavidson wrote:ETA: Warning - nerd stuff. Okay, it's not the image server itself, it's the server that does the redirect from time.png. When you request http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time.png you get connected to c.xkcd.com, at one of several different servers in the 107.6.97.xxx range. And if c.xkcd.com happens to resolve to 107.6.97.102, it always redirects you to f8a64...png.

Ah, I see why my frame grabber never gets a wrong one... My script still has a hardcoded IP address – a different one, .101 – in the URL from a time, many newpix ago, when some of the servers were acting up. I'll leave that in there, I guess. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 3:13 pm UTC

mscha wrote:Still TL;DR: Just skip this, unless you're interested in the intricacies of frame numbering and timing, and apocryphal frames.
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mscha wrote:TL;DR: Just skip this, unless you're interested in the intricacies of frame numbering and timing, and apocryphal frames.
mscha wrote:
jjjdavidson wrote:mscha, now that you're here again,

Again? I'm pretty much here all the time. I'm starting to get worried about me... :?

jjjdavidson wrote: there's something I'd like to ask. I've read over the discussion of the "apocryphal" frames several times, and I keep getting lost in the filenames and the similar-looking images.

I downloaded these five frames (original/apocryphal) in real time:

a0912d58db16574d7defdfeda6f4dbb820986d0e6fb38e793e62f8da5b151d98.png
9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe.png
a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1.png
530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d.png

003169b5a922ecd7a4bc2136743f00771f7575b8fc2be045ddeb25d740724aa7.png

These three frames in your list (added) my capture never saw at all:

89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611.png
715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776.png
6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1.png


All these frames are of Megan building (or napping) upon the middle mound.

Here's what I think I understand:
─The original 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames have been updated on the xkcd servers.
─The updated 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames are identical to the 89fbc..., 715b2..., 6cb83... frames, respectively.

Here's what I might be misunderstanding:
─No other frames are known to match the original 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames.
─Those original frames might be on the servers, but we don't (yet) know file names for them.
─So at the moment, the only known source for those original frames is people like you and me that downloaded them when they first went live, and haven't overwritten them (hence, "apocryphal").
Have I got all this straight?

I think so, yes, basically.

To be honest, I don't remember exactly what I did at the time. My download script follows the time.png redirect, and I saw in the OTT that people were getting other images though the Javascript redirect, so I downloaded these by hand, and after Randall straightened things out, I renamed my files (which use timestamp-based filenames) to be in the seemingly correct order. But I didn't keep track of what I renamed to what, so when I created my frame list last week, I had to reconstruct which hash belonged to which filename based on the posts at the time in the OTT. I might have gotten it the wrong way round, so that the apocryphal frames and 256-258 were swapped.
(...)
Actually, it looks like I got it wrong: when the Lord Randall updated the time stamps of the frames, He skipped the three files that I have listed as 256-258, and did include the ones I have listed as “apocryphal”.
Fixed that, from:

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xkcd_time_20130330_1900.png: 9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe
xkcd_time_20130330_2000.png: a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1
xkcd_time_20130330_2100.png: 530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d
xkcd_time_20130330_2115.png: 89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611
xkcd_time_20130330_2130.png: 715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776
xkcd_time_20130330_2145.png: 6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1
to:

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xkcd_time_20130330_1900.png: 89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611
xkcd_time_20130330_2000.png: 715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776
xkcd_time_20130330_2100.png: 6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1
xkcd_time_20130330_2115.png: 9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe
xkcd_time_20130330_2130.png: a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1
xkcd_time_20130330_2145.png: 530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d

But anyway, the Lord Randall, in His infinite wisdom, apparently decided to throw these frames out and continue some point later in His collection. It worked out well, if you now watch the (non-apocryphal) frames in order, you don't spot anything missing.

Edit: changed my “Actually” to reverse the conclusion.
Edit2: fixed the apocryphal hashes after all.

I wasn't really happy with the timestamps in my local copy of the apocryphal and corresponding non-apocryphal frames.
If you ignore apocryphal frames (like a good Randallian should), the frames had the following timestamps:
  • ...
  • xkcd_time_20130330_1700.png
  • xkcd_time_20130330_1800.png
  • xkcd_time_20130330_2115.png
  • xkcd_time_20130330_2130.png
  • xkcd_time_20130330_2145.png
  • xkcd_time_20130330_2200.png
  • xkcd_time_20130330_2300.png
  • ...
So I renamed my copies of the frames to:

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xkcd_time_20130330_1815.png: 89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611
xkcd_time_20130330_1830.png: 715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776
xkcd_time_20130330_1845.png: 6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1
xkcd_time_20130330_1900.png: 9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe
xkcd_time_20130330_2000.png: a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1
xkcd_time_20130330_2100.png: 530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d

Now the non-apocryphal frames all have regular timestamps in the filename, while the apocryphal frames are irregular. Much better.
See here for the end result.

I'm afraid my original post may only have brought on more confusion.

On your list, the 9ca75... / a6c1a... / 530ef... frames now show the same image for your original download and for the current server link. I don't have first-release copies of the 89fbc... / 715b2... / 6cb83... frames, so I can't say whether they've changed or not.

But, for me, 9ca75... / a6c1a... / 530ef... are the three frames that have definitely changed since I originally downloaded them. The first-release versions show Megan build the mound a bit higher. The updated versions (like 89fbc... / 715b2... / 6cb83...) show her leveling off the "bed" and lying down; none of my downloaded files show that.

Okay, since you're sure about the frames that have changed, and I'm not, I have undone my first change above and swapped the ‘hashes’ around again. (See here, as usual.) Now, the frames I list as “apocryphal” are the ones that definitely have changed.
It's funny, though, that the Lord Randall apparently does consider these frames “canonical”, and the ones we now have as canonical, as “apocryphal”. The reason I think this, is the PNG timestamps of the files (currently on the server):

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xkcd_time_20130330_1815.png (9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe) - C:2013-05-01T15:11:05-04:00, M:2013-05-01T15:11:05-04:00
xkcd_time_20130330_1830.png (a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1) - C:2013-05-01T15:11:05-04:00, M:2013-05-01T15:11:05-04:00
xkcd_time_20130330_1845.png (530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d) - C:2013-05-01T15:11:05-04:00, M:2013-05-01T15:11:05-04:00
xkcd_time_20130330_1900.png (89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611) - C:2013-03-30T09:26:52-04:00, M:2013-03-30T09:26:52-04:00
xkcd_time_20130330_2000.png (715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776) - C:2013-03-30T09:26:52-04:00, M:2013-03-30T09:26:52-04:00
xkcd_time_20130330_2100.png (6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1) - C:2013-03-30T09:26:52-04:00, M:2013-03-30T09:26:52-04:00

So, when Randall does a mass update of all frames, He includes the first three (that were changed), but not the last three (that weren't). Oh well, I guess the Lord Randall moves in mysterious ways, as usual.

jjjdavidson wrote:And I'm still not clear on one other thing. Do the first-release versions of 9ca75... / a6c1a... / 530ef... match any other frames in the list, or are they really gone (for now) from the servers?

As far as I know, my list contains all hash URLs that were ever given¹ to us by the Lord Randall, and none of those match the apocryphal frames. So, it looks like He took² them away for good.

¹: givethd?
²: takethd?


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun May 05, 2013 3:18 pm UTC

descor wrote:
mscha wrote:Still TL;DR: Just skip this, unless you're interested in the intricacies of frame numbering and timing, and apocryphal frames.


I'm lost! I feel like I need this represented in some easy to understand graphic ... am I in the right thread?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Sun May 05, 2013 3:20 pm UTC

jowo wrote:Happened to notice that Flickr's blog for the day is about carving sand. Had to share....

http://blog.flickr.net/en/2013/05/04/extraordinary-sand-sculptures/


Oooh, thanks for sharing! Nice to be taken straight to an incredible HR Giger sand-guy upon clicking. Made my morning. :D

Also:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 3:22 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
descor wrote:
mscha wrote:Still TL;DR: Just skip this, unless you're interested in the intricacies of frame numbering and timing, and apocryphal frames.


I'm lost! I feel like I need this represented in some easy to understand graphic ... am I in the right thread?

Does this one work for you?
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Ah, yes. That's much better. I feel all at peace now.

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Valarya wrote:I notice the cake-parties going on, and am in full support of said parties. And said cake. But I've been known around OtherInternets as the cupcake girl, so alas... here are some cupcakes for you all!

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You may need a few more if you are hoping to feed all of us!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun May 05, 2013 3:25 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:I notice the cake-parties going on, and am in full support of said parties. And said cake. But I've been known around OtherInternets as the cupcake girl, so alas... here are some cupcakes for you all!

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I'm all about cake, but these bad boys??? WANT!!! THANK YOU, VALARYA!!!

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descor wrote: You may need a few more if you are hoping to feed all of us!


Um... err...... *looks around* *wipes crumbs from face* ..... Was I supposed to share?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby katakombe » Sun May 05, 2013 3:29 pm UTC

ergman wrote:DIDIDOTHISRIGHTIGUESSWILLSEEOGONG

edit: right, but not fast enough.

I have a feeling that their old river might join up with this one, possibly with them stuck in the middle



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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 3:32 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:"apology" edit:
descor wrote: You may need a few more if you are hoping to feed all of us!


Um... err...... *looks around* *wipes crumbs from face* ..... Was I supposed to share?

fhorn: you and I are no longer talking.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fatness » Sun May 05, 2013 3:33 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:I notice the cake-parties going on, and am in full support of said parties. And said cake. But I've been known around OtherInternets as the cupcake girl, so alas... here are some cupcakes for you all!

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Damn. Now I am depressed (because I'll never be able to bake something that amazing) and hungry.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby katakombe » Sun May 05, 2013 3:42 pm UTC

descor wrote:
fhorn wrote:Um... err...... *looks around* *wipes crumbs from face* ..... Was I supposed to share?

fhorn: you and I are no longer talking.


oh dear, no flame wars all month and now you are fighting over cake? good thing i brought another, and this one has it all: crenellation, towers, flags (with cuegans initials). so be nice and share, mkay?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 3:45 pm UTC

katakombe wrote:
descor wrote:
fhorn wrote:Um... err...... *looks around* *wipes crumbs from face* ..... Was I supposed to share?

fhorn: you and I are no longer talking.


oh dear, no flame wars all month and now you are fighting over cake? good thing i brought another, and this one has it all: crenellation, towers, flags (with cuegans initials). so be nice and share, mkay?

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Oooh, nice!

You hear that fhorn? Share!!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun May 05, 2013 3:48 pm UTC

katakombe wrote: oh dear, no flame wars all month and now you are fighting over cake? good thing i brought another, and this one has it all: crenellation, towers, flags (with cuegans initials). so be nice and share, mkay?

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Thank you, katakombe, that was totally all peacemaker/cakemaker of you!
Descor, I'm filled with remorse. Plus cupcakes. I hope with katakombe's help we're back on speaking and celebratory terms.

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descor wrote:You hear that fhorn? Share!!

Not only share, but may I cut you a nice big slice and put it on these awesome dinosaur paper plates? And maybe bring you a glass of punch?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 3:54 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:
katakombe wrote: oh dear, no flame wars all month and now you are fighting over cake? good thing i brought another, and this one has it all: crenellation, towers, flags (with cuegans initials). so be nice and share, mkay?

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Thank you, katakombe, that was totally all peacemaker/cakemaker of you!
Descor, I'm filled with remorse. Plus cupcakes. I hope with katakombe's help we're back on speaking and celebratory terms.

editeded for sharing:
descor wrote:You hear that fhorn? Share!!

Not only share, but may I cut you a nice big slice and put it on these awesome dinosaur paper plates? And maybe bring you a glass of punch?

Oh, I can't stay mad at you! All is forgiven!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun May 05, 2013 3:57 pm UTC

descor wrote: Oh, I can't stay mad at you! All is forgiven!

:D Everyone to the bouncy castle! (This is a party, right? There's a bouncy castle? With room for everybody since I'm all into this sharing thing?)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ergman » Sun May 05, 2013 4:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Pikrass » Sun May 05, 2013 4:01 pm UTC

fatness wrote:
Valarya wrote:I notice the cake-parties going on, and am in full support of said parties. And said cake. But I've been known around OtherInternets as the cupcake girl, so alas... here are some cupcakes for you all!

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Damn. Now I am depressed (because I'll never be able to bake something that amazing) and hungry.

At least, you've got both the problem and the solution to the problem.

katakombe wrote:
descor wrote:
fhorn wrote:Um... err...... *looks around* *wipes crumbs from face* ..... Was I supposed to share?

fhorn: you and I are no longer talking.


oh dear, no flame wars all month and now you are fighting over cake? good thing i brought another, and this one has it all: crenellation, towers, flags (with cuegans initials). so be nice and share, mkay?

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There's a HUGE problem with this cake. We can't eat it. It's too beautiful. Destroying it would be a shame.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ergman » Sun May 05, 2013 4:02 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:
jowo wrote:Happened to notice that Flickr's blog for the day is about carving sand. Had to share....

http://blog.flickr.net/en/2013/05/04/extraordinary-sand-sculptures/


Oooh, thanks for sharing! Nice to be taken straight to an incredible HR Giger sand-guy upon clicking. Made my morning. :D

Also:

I notice the cake-parties going on, and am in full support of said parties. And said cake. But I've been known around OtherInternets as the cupcake girl, so alas... here are some cupcakes for you all!

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It's things like these that make me wish you could email food.

Sooon....
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun May 05, 2013 4:10 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby katakombe » Sun May 05, 2013 4:15 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:
descor wrote: Oh, I can't stay mad at you! All is forgiven!

:D Everyone to the bouncy castle! (This is a party, right? There's a bouncy castle? With room for everybody since I'm all into this sharing thing?)


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HAL9000 » Sun May 05, 2013 4:15 pm UTC

I like this period. There isn't much frame-to-frame change, but it's very tranquil.

Also, suggestion for mscha:
Maybe you could put links to http://xkcd.mscha.org/ and your explanations of the apocryphal frames in your sig (you, not having a sig at the moment, have plenty of space)? It would save your having to repeat yourself so often.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Sun May 05, 2013 4:22 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:
katakombe wrote: oh dear, no flame wars all month and now you are fighting over cake? good thing i brought another, and this one has it all: crenellation, towers, flags (with cuegans initials). so be nice and share, mkay?

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I'm filled with remorse. Plus cupcakes.


Lol that would be a great band name: Remorse and cupcakes. Glad you enjoyed them! :mrgreen:


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descor wrote:You hear that fhorn? Share!!

Not only share, but may I cut you a nice big slice and put it on these awesome dinosaur paper plates? And maybe bring you a glass of punch?


Who needs dino plates when you can just have dino cupcakes?! I promise, this time, there are plenty for everyone.

*chomps a delicious cupcake while bouncing in the bouncy house* Wheeeeeee!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun May 05, 2013 4:22 pm UTC

katakombe wrote: you ask, i deliver:
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That's twice now you've done me a favor. I'm Amerigo Bonasera to your Don Corleone. Except without the whole fear and death stuff, of course. :wink:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fatness » Sun May 05, 2013 4:23 pm UTC

mscha wrote:EVENSONGGGGGGGG...
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-- posted by newpixbot

Hmmmm.....newpixbot seems to have snagged the previous pix, making it an oldpixbot this pixtime.

edit to avoid the dreaded double-post:

mscha wrote:
jjjdavidson wrote:ETA: Warning - nerd stuff. Okay, it's not the image server itself, it's the server that does the redirect from time.png. When you request http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time.png you get connected to c.xkcd.com, at one of several different servers in the 107.6.97.xxx range. And if c.xkcd.com happens to resolve to 107.6.97.102, it always redirects you to f8a64...png.

Ah, I see why my frame grabber never gets a wrong one... My script still has a hardcoded IP address – a different one, .101 – in the URL from a time, many newpix ago, when some of the servers were acting up. I'll leave that in there, I guess. :)

Either this is a classic Murphy's Law scenario or some admin reading this is playing nerdy joke on mscha.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Smithers » Sun May 05, 2013 4:33 pm UTC

ergman wrote:It's things like these that make me wish you could email food.

Sooon....

(Note: large animated .gif)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sun May 05, 2013 4:36 pm UTC

ergman wrote:DODONGO'S CAVERN


Legend of Zelda references again, yay :D

I wonder how far we'll follow the river like this before changing views again.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HAL9000 » Sun May 05, 2013 4:38 pm UTC

Smithers wrote:
ergman wrote:It's things like these that make me wish you could email food.

Sooon....

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Of course I wouldn't, it would probably contain viruses.
Or spam.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Sun May 05, 2013 4:42 pm UTC

mscha wrote:EVENSONGGGGGGGG...
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-- posted by newpixbot

So, that's it. Maybe one more Frame with Cueball jumping up and clicking his heels and we're done.

Edit to add a 2 1/2 d sand picture
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HAL9000 » Sun May 05, 2013 4:44 pm UTC

Exodies wrote:
mscha wrote:EVENSONGGGGGGGG...
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-- posted by newpixbot

So, that's it. Maybe one more Frame with Cueball jumping up and clicking his heels and we're done.

Oh yes that would be wonderful...
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EDIT: 500th post! Only 12 to go until a nice round number!
It's time for a party.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Sun May 05, 2013 4:45 pm UTC

I don't know what caused the duplication of frame 1090 in aubronwood and geekwagon books (maybe it's been said in this thread and I missed it...), but it hapenned to me that http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time/png would redirect to the url of that frame (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time/f8a6414c334a71481e16428691fe8465098b2bae956e44727d0482c7632a84ff.png).
It also happened that the short url http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time/png would redirect to the current frame. (For now it seems to be "back" to frame 1090 -- sorry no, it changed again).

Weird.

I think that this 1090 frame should be watched closely, it is actively trying to travel through Time. It's already complicated enough when each frame appears at its own newpix, we don't want this kind of heretical behavior.

EDIT: okay, it's already been understood
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ETA: Warning - nerd stuff. Okay, it's not the image server itself, it's the server that does the redirect from time.png. When you request http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time.png you get connected to c.xkcd.com, at one of several different servers in the 107.6.97.xxx range. And if c.xkcd.com happens to resolve to 107.6.97.102, it always redirects you to f8a64...png.

Anyway, this image is trying too hard to get to a different placetime.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun May 05, 2013 4:46 pm UTC

Smithers wrote: (flashing thing)

Smithers, there were some issues previously here on the OTT with some flashing images. Don't know if this provokes a similar response, but you may want to remove it, just in case, or put a warning on it?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HAL9000 » Sun May 05, 2013 4:48 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:
Smithers wrote: (flashing thing)

Smithers, there were some issues previously here on the OTT with some flashing images. Don't know if this provokes a similar response, but you may want to remove it, just in case, or put a warning on it?

I don't think it's quite as bad as the stroberiffic headache-inducer from earlier. But I do agree that something along the lines of "warning, large .gif" would be nice.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sun May 05, 2013 4:53 pm UTC

Act 1, scene 1

There are the sounds of trumpets. The lights come on to reveal the courtyard of a mighty castle. Banners are hung, torches are lit, and final preparations are hurriedly being made for the arrival of One who is Most Esteemed. The trumpets sound again in fanfare as the carpet, of deepest red, is rolled out from the grand stage, and a procession of Knights, Courtiers, Cardinals, and all manner of Royalty and Clergy begin their procession from the back of the hall. And is it? Could it be BlitzGirl the First has graced us in the procession? It's hard to tell at this distance, it being such a huge courtyard and a surprisingly enormous crowd. One by one they take their places on the stage, each sitting on an elaborately carved perch that befits the grandeur of the occasion, and as the last dignitary sits, the music comes to a glorious close.
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And then, nothing happens. The elaborately carved podium, center stage, remains empty. There is great anticipation, and the assembled crowd begins to murmur, but the stage remains completely still. A moment passes, then another and yet there is no movement. But the crowd does not disperse; it instead becomes more intense in its anticipation.

From stage right appears the Pope of the Holy Contradiction, dressed in richly embroidered vestments of glorious golden hue, which flow around him2 as he1 strides to the podium and implores the crowd:
What is the greatest commandment ever written, uttered, spake, or encoded with electrons and sent at the speed of light and darkness throughout all the land? What is it to which we all must aspire, though our bodies be weak, and our will faltering? What is it that is the ultimate purpose of our assembly here, and indeed, of our entire lives? That commandment, handed to us from On High, is both simple, and challenging. It is, if I may utter the words myself without feeling inadequate:
Wait For It.
In this is written all of life. You have just done this here, this moment, but you must do this everywhere. And you must especially do this in the One True Comic, as it only exists in its own Time. For those who have arrived after the Beginning of Time, properly following this commandment involves a Holy Quest, pioneered by the Holy Apostle BlitzGirl The First, who in making her pilgrimage, has left us a Sacred Book, the Book of BlitzGirl.
The trumpets sound again in glorious fanfare.
We are gathered here to commemorate two others, who in completing this pilgrimage, have elevated themselves from ordinary Timewaiters, to the Most Exalted Status of BlitzGirl the Next. So, let it be known here and forevermore, that Selcouth and PhoenixRising have, by virtue of their heroic deeds, are consecrated each as BlitzGirl The Next, a title among the highest honors that can be conveyed in the One True Thread. Selcouth, I bid the rise, and kneel.
There is a disturbance among the crowd of Timewaiters as somebody makes his2 way up to the stage. It is Selcouth himself. Having no avatar at this time, he1 is hard to see, but you can make him2 out if you look carefully. He1 rises up onto the stage, and kneels before the Pope. The Pope raises his2 hand above Selcouth's head, and in a voice that carries far past the castle walls, heralds:
Selcouth, in honor of your having properly Waited For It even after the Beginning of Time, forsaking the distractions and temptations of the present time and the present Time, but seeking only to have the truth revealed to you at Its Proper Pace, and furthermore, in recognition of your doing this in anonymity, even before creating an account with which to receive the Sacrament of Sigcouragement, I, as the Pope of the Holy Contradiction, do consecrate you and bestow upon thee the title BlitzGirl The Next, that for all time, and all of Time, it be known that you have truly and properly Waited For It.
Selcouth rises, the trumpets sound, the crowd cheers, and the flags are waved up and down and left and right in curvy fashions, so as not to open the rift whence velociraptors might emerge should one make the Wrong Assumption about the shape of Space in Time. The Pope raises his hands to quiet the crowd, and speaks again to the assembly.
PhoenixRising, I bid thee rise and kneel.
Out of the crowd of humble Timewaiters, PhoenixRising, easily recognized by his flaming avatar he1 has on today, makes his2 way to the stage and kneels before the Pope, who again raises his2 hand above the head poking out of this flaming vestment, and proclaims
PhoenixRising, in honor of the completion of your Sacred Pligrimmage, that you have truly Waited For It as it was meant to be, forsaking the sight of the future as you pursued your Holy Quest, by the power vested in me as the Pope of the Holy Contradiction, do I consecrate you and bestow upon thee the title of BlitzGirl the Next. And furthermore do I consecrate the Gospel of PhoenixRising, a True and Holy Record of your Quest, to be counted among the Holy Books, alongside the Gospel of BlitzGirl, that it provide inspiration to all who follow, and indeed, to all Timewaiters, for all time and all of Time.
The trumpets sound again as the crowd roars and waves banners in curvy ways to avoid Velociraptorlypse (and Velociraptor lips). PhonenixRising rises and joins Selcouth center stage as the Pope takes holds his hands high to still the crowd. He1 speaks:
And now I would like to invite our Most Esteemed BlitzGirl The First to take the stage and say a few words of inspiration.
The crowd goes wild! But at just that moment part of the castle collapses and water starts seeping into the courtyard. It seems the sea is still rising.

1 or perhaps she, it's hard to tell
2 or maybe her... it's hard to tell

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Smithers » Sun May 05, 2013 4:57 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:
Smithers wrote: (flashing thing)

Smithers, there were some issues previously here on the OTT with some flashing images. Don't know if this provokes a similar response, but you may want to remove it, just in case, or put a warning on it?

Ok, I've put a warning in front of it; I thought that image would be safe (I think monochrome + only small changes in the image help - although it is a large image), but it's better to put the warning in than take the risk.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Pikrass » Sun May 05, 2013 5:00 pm UTC

OTT, THATSWHEREWEBELONG

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Is the camera shifting to the right, or the river expanding to the left?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ergman » Sun May 05, 2013 5:07 pm UTC

Pikrass wrote:OTT, THATSWHEREWEBELONG

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Is the camera shifting to the right, or the river expanding to the left?


I think Megan has turned her head to the left a tad.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Sun May 05, 2013 5:10 pm UTC

Pikrass wrote:Is the camera shifting to the right, or the river expanding to the left?


Could be either. Or both. Or cake, I suppose.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Vytron » Sun May 05, 2013 5:31 pm UTC

And I'm done in my trek of today!

Page 400/539 - 139 Pages behind.

I saw 123Adz321 catching up and leaving Greasemonkey script to turn date into newpix-time!

I'm urged to read What-If! 24 or kittens will die. Noo! Hopefully, they'll hold on until I catch up with the present, I don't have time for distractions!

manvandmaan: Seems like you have a reason to BlitzGirl the What-If's! Not all the Alt-Texts are good though, mostly, they are just descriptions of the pictures.

^Another usage of the verb BlitzGirl. It can be used for when you need to catch up with anything, or when you need to read all over again something you already read because of missing something (I know I had to BlitzGirl before, like, the very first time I found out xkcd comics had alt texts and I had to read all of them again!)

Also, kryton lets me know that all the followers of BlitzGirl are her pilgrims.

I reach another BlitzGirl SignPost: Quest progress: 351 out of 391 pages.

This one is important, she travels back in time to save the little trebuchet from being lost to time. I had already seen the other side of this, glad to know the microtrebuchet is fine!

I also realize why tman2nd was warning me about Rest Stop Imperpetuate in his sigspoiler :)

On the One True Comic: Megan realizes the sea can do anything it wants, and it wants to destroy the sandcastles D:

And then, another BlitzGirl SignPost:

MILESTONE!

355 out of 393 pages. 219 out of 295 pages (spotted my first signature-encouragement).
305 out of 355 pages. 223 out of 303 pages. 77 out of 223 pages.

At last! BlitzGirl has spotted the signpost that spotted the signpost that spotted the initial signpost she left for herself when first she began her travels!

She also becomes Archbishop of the Past. This means I no longer hold the short-lived title!

At Apr 23, 2013 9:14 pm, I read a message from the future left behind by EraObserver at Apr 26, 2013 1:12 am UTC.

"The future is in disarray!!!"

Huh, oh. That can't be good...

Another attempt at paradox:

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jovialbard wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:What paradoooooooooooox

Ooooo, too late.

Disclaimer: I'm a terrible terrible liar and BlitzGirl never said that, because she wouldn't, because she's totally going to make it, right BlitzGirl? *waits for response*


Oh my, another one?!

Another SignPosts:


Quest progress: 359 out of 397 pages.

Quest progress: 367 out of 398 pages.
310 out of 363 pages. 229 out of 309 pages. 100 out of 229 pages.
314 out of 364 pages. 243 out of 312 pages (stops quoting SignPosts).

macraw83 catches up to the present!

And finally, I witness PERFECT SYNCHRONICITY!

HAL9000 wrote:Well, at least my 400th post arrives at the same time as a signpost from Blitzgirl, and a visit from a black-pajama-clad sneaky person. Pajamas are fun.


Also, it arrives at the same time your 500th post arrives!

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Apr 24, 2013 7:33 pm UTC - 11 Days, 16 hours, 11 minutes behind.

Quest to the Big Bang: 82,000 Years Ago (38,000 years of progress.) Fishing in Congo, behavioral modernity, bone tools, Homo sapiens spreads.

See you in a week!

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Meaning, It's expected that I catch up with the present 7 days from now, not that I'm taking a one week break, that'd be uncool!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sun May 05, 2013 5:32 pm UTC

TheMinim wrote:
Pikrass wrote:Is the camera shifting to the right, or the river expanding to the left?


Could be either. Or both. Or cake, I suppose.


Indeed, cake holds explanatory power over many of the events of the comic. Why are M&C building castles? Where do they come from? Who is LaPetite? An acceptable answer to all these questions would of course be cake.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby htom » Sun May 05, 2013 5:37 pm UTC

TheMinim wrote:
Pikrass wrote:Is the camera shifting to the right, or the river expanding to the left?


Could be either. Or both. Or cake, I suppose.


The river is small, but it is not tiny. They could climb off the flood plain and get a better view.

Places like this can be fun, but they can be gut-clearing scary, too, when you suddenly realize that what you thought was the way out is the way into inescapably, and the way back nearly impossible.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Sun May 05, 2013 5:42 pm UTC

htom wrote:
TheMinim wrote:
Pikrass wrote:Is the camera shifting to the right, or the river expanding to the left?

Could be either. Or both. Or cake, I suppose.

The river is small, but it is not tiny. They could climb off the flood plain and get a better view.

Places like this can be fun, but they can be gut-clearing scary, too, when you suddenly realize that what you thought was the way out is the way into inescapably, and the way back nearly impossible.

You mean, like this comic? And this thread?


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