k.bookbinder wrote:Spoiler:Dracomax wrote:k.bookbinder wrote:The past is gONG
We now know that Time has a past, something I do not believe we have discussed previously.Kieryn wrote:ttscp wrote:Thoughts on the OTC and the nature of Story
I've been thinking about what it means for the OTC if it is a story. (Not that it has to be; I am biased to think in stories because I am a storyteller, but that's another story.) Story and plot are closely connected so I mix the two concepts in my thinking a lot.
A story has an ending and it's generally pointed toward that ending from the very first moment. A story has a genre. I mean more than western, romance, science fiction; I mean comedy, horror, love story, drama.
Beginning/middle/end and a prediction.
The people in Hollywood will tell you that a story has plot points, two of them. What they mean is that a story has a beginning, middle and ending. I disagree with the Hollywood people, especially when they start talking about Joseph Cambell (one of the reasons that I am not a Hollywood storyteller) but not really about the beginning/middle/end bit.
I'm guessing that the sandcastle frames were the beginning. They set the scene, introduced Cueball and Megan and the mysterious La Petite, let us know something about the world (river small, sea big), and introduced the problem the "sea is rising." (I imagine that last in the voice of chicken little, but that's another digression.)
We fade out and in (very Hollywood) to the river trek and shortly after that Megan says, "Yeah. But that's what the first part of not ending looks like." (Many thanks to all of you who analyze (overanalyze?) and document the OTC, I used the wiki for this one.) That could be a meta comment, indicating the first plot point at the end of the beginning. (And then again it could just be finishing the exchange: Megan - "Maybe the sea doesn't end," Cueball - "We haven't walked very far.", I too have been known to overanalyze.)
The Hollywood "rule" for plot points is 30 pages to the first, 60 pages to the second, 30 pages to the end. A page a minute means a two hour movie. It gets cut in editing and these are only rough markers, but it will do for my analysis.
One quarter of the story is the beginning. If that is true, then the OTC may end somewhere between 881*4 ("Bye") and 1006*4 ("The first part of not ending"). Between 3,524 and 4,024 frames the OTC will end.
Almost every prediction we make about the OTC has been wrong, so feel free to take this with a grain of semencancercaffienebabies.
Genre or not?
In spite of the lurking molpy, I don't think this is a horror comic. Randall just doesn't seem to write that kind of stuff and there haven't been the requisite small scares to get us in the right emotional state for the bigger ones.
Comedy is a possibility, because the OTC is a (wait for it), "comic", but I really think it's going to have a more serious ending. This is more intuition than strong reasoning so feel free to disagree with me. (I know you will, so I feel better if I give you permission.) There haven't been a lot of comic moments in the comic. (There have been in the OTT, however; good thing I work at home otherwise my coworkers would be worried about me, too.)
Romantic is another possibility. Randall writes the most romantic stick characters I know (insert link to whirling Megan slowing down the world to spend a little more time with Cueball). But I don't see how the beginning points to romance. He did bring her berries, though, so maybe I'm wrong.
Drama is the best possibility I think, but, again, I don't see much set up for it.
Lastly, there is the strong possibility that Randall is just messing with our heads, and it will go on until he gets tired of it, or we stop being messed with, or he has finally gotten into the head of everyone in the world.
The more I think about this, the less sure I am of any conclusions. I don't even know if this is a story, it has some elements of one, but others defy the conventions. I don't know whether it will loop or end or (in theory) go on forever.
I figured I'd offer my thoughts and see what anyone else on this (intelligent, articulate and above all handsome) OTT had to offer.
Ouch. The latest ONG, "I found a campsite", is also eligible to be a plot point, and may point us toward horror. The GLR always manages to confound (ninja) my thoughts as soon as I get them articulated.
Edit: fixed Randall world domination sentence.
Best analysis of late I would say. Obviously there is story here. The Big Questions I see are:
1) Has GLR already figured out the whole plot, or is he still making it up as he goes? What level of detail has already been pre-determined.
2) Is GLR hearing / following us here at all on any level? Does anything we say here ever impact anything in the OTC?
3) Is there any mystery/connection/puzzle or anything connected to The Outside beyond that of typical story/metaphor?
We must cautious of asking of heretical questions but I have some thoughts
1) Yes. GLR has a plan. Predestination - it is all accounted for.
2) No. See 1.
3) Perhaps, but to guess is always difficult as we do not fully understand 1.
First, we actually don't know that time has a past--the campsite could have been used at the same time that Cuegan were building castles. It was days ago.
Second, I wouldn't put it past GLR to have spies here, and put little easter eggs or subplots in the OTC for us so long as it doesn't interfere with his great plan. It seems likely that while there is a plan, it is not a plan with no room for improvisation, and the date modified stamps imply that he has used it at one time or another.
We know that action does happen beyond our view for the GLR wills that some things remain unknown to us. But it has always been suggested that the action happen concurrently with what we are allowed to see. I do not recall if Cuegan have ever spoken in the past tense, but I may be wrong. Please, if other instance of past tense speech be known I would be humbled to have them pointed out to me. (Though now that I think about it, does not Megan refer to the actions of the sea in past tense, eluding to previous experience?) Could the campfire be the actions of Le Petite?
From other GLR created comics I do not get the impression that the GLR tailors them to those that read them. Instead, I believe that it is his brilliance that appeals to us and that his thoughts, like ours, are such that the stories/jokes only appear to be tailored to those who would follow the GLR. For if it were not so, would we follow him?
In any case, certainly the end must be known to the GLR, for if it were not, why should we be commanded to wait for it?
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Why oh why oh why do you keep saying the OTCAT means wait for the end? It means wait for the next Frame. Otherwise we could come back two years from Thursday and look at the end. (And so in a sense, we are in a loop - frame after frame after frame).
And - unless you are Robinson Crusoe you wouldn't say 'there are people here' you would say 'I found some sort of campsite', because there are always people here.