1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Wed May 29, 2013 10:37 am UTC

I started a NewPage and I never even realized it...

With my funky avatar! Rock on!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Hertzog » Wed May 29, 2013 10:41 am UTC

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And, he's dancing! (my theory)


Reminds me of the time my backpacking friend Bob and I were on a trip, and he suddenly started doing the "Chicken Dance" in the middle of the trail! Turns out he had been at a party the night before, where he had learned the dance :)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Wed May 29, 2013 10:43 am UTC

taixzo wrote:Location: NewPage 75

There are a few unspoilered images that still link to time.png, but I endeavor to skip them; I intend to fully forsake the Present until I complete my Quest, as the great BlitzGirl and Vytron did before me. I hope some Time soon I shall join you all in the Present!

If you'll tell us where such spoilers are, we can try to get them fixed, or put up signposts warning future Blitzers.

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I made an account just to say, "HIYA!"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Wed May 29, 2013 10:47 am UTC

SBN wrote:
taixzo wrote:Location: NewPage 75

There are a few unspoilered images that still link to time.png, but I endeavor to skip them; I intend to fully forsake the Present until I complete my Quest, as the great BlitzGirl and Vytron did before me. I hope some Time soon I shall join you all in the Present!

If you'll tell us where such spoilers are, we can try to get them fixed, or put up signposts warning future Blitzers.


Isn't there a script for that somewhere? (Spoilering time.png images, I mean) It's in someone's sig.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby XonqNopp » Wed May 29, 2013 10:50 am UTC

TheMinim wrote:
SBN wrote:
taixzo wrote:Location: NewPage 75

There are a few unspoilered images that still link to time.png, but I endeavor to skip them; I intend to fully forsake the Present until I complete my Quest, as the great BlitzGirl and Vytron did before me. I hope some Time soon I shall join you all in the Present!

If you'll tell us where such spoilers are, we can try to get them fixed, or put up signposts warning future Blitzers.


Isn't there a script for that somewhere? (Spoilering time.png images, I mean) It's in someone's sig.


Yeah, Pikrass did some that you can find on github

ETA: But it is vain to post it here, our BlitzGirl the Next will never see this post until he reaches the Present... :?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Wed May 29, 2013 10:51 am UTC

Vytron wrote:- Blindpost -

Kieryn wrote:cmyk numbers. We miss you cmyk!


Yes, we do! D:

Also, alarm, alarm! Link no longer works! What happened?

I miss the Credits :(



Yes apologies.... all last night I was plagued by hosting problems. I finally just updated the data (as of 10 newpix ago), but I wasn't able to create the One True Link List yet. Waiting for tonight.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby higgs-boson » Wed May 29, 2013 10:57 am UTC

yappobiscuits wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:As promised...

Spoiler:


Credit to whoever posted the text originally (too lazy to go back and look)

Awesome :D I have to wonder why it's rated R though... just how graphic can you get with stick figures? ;)


"Mommy... what's that fluid Megan swallowed?"
- "It's...... a very special kind of water, dear."
"Then why did Megan cough, Mommy?"
- "Because... because it is so special, dear."
"Mommy, am I special, too?"
- "..."

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Wed May 29, 2013 11:00 am UTC

Shape-ONG!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Wed May 29, 2013 11:01 am UTC

XonqNopp wrote:
TheMinim wrote:Isn't there a script for that somewhere? (Spoilering time.png images, I mean) It's in someone's sig.


Yeah, Pikrass did some that you can find on github

ETA: But it is vain to post it here, our BlitzGirl the Next will never see this post until he reaches the Present... :?

Not everyone can install scripts or wants to. We have those who blitz in one tab and are in the present in another, and I've added a note in my sig, for those who are in the past only.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby rvloon » Wed May 29, 2013 11:03 am UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:Is Queball giving up? Does he feel the trip takes to long? Does this mean the end of Time?


No, he just noticed the JavaScript and is about to scratch his head as to its purpose.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby XonqNopp » Wed May 29, 2013 11:04 am UTC

SBN wrote:
XonqNopp wrote:
TheMinim wrote:Isn't there a script for that somewhere? (Spoilering time.png images, I mean) It's in someone's sig.


Yeah, Pikrass did some that you can find on github

ETA: But it is vain to post it here, our BlitzGirl the Next will never see this post until he reaches the Present... :?

Not everyone can install scripts or wants to. We have those who blitz in one tab and are in the present in another, and I've added a note in my sig, for those who are in the past only.


Actually, the very first post of the OTT is an unspoilered time.png frame :evil:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Wed May 29, 2013 11:05 am UTC

I think what Cueball's doing is cool, and I am amazed at getting an ONG at long last! Shadows are cool.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cellocgw » Wed May 29, 2013 11:09 am UTC

k.bookbinder wrote:
TheMinim wrote:I don't know what to say here.

So I'll go to what my mind always short-circuits to in these situations.

Cake.


The cake is a lie!

I do apologize, but someone had to say it. :oops:


Is the cake a wedge lie or a 3-iron lie?
Well, somebody had to say *that*... and I don't even like golf :lol:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Wed May 29, 2013 11:10 am UTC

cellocgw wrote:
k.bookbinder wrote:
TheMinim wrote:I don't know what to say here.

So I'll go to what my mind always short-circuits to in these situations.

Cake.


The cake is a lie!

I do apologize, but someone had to say it. :oops:


Is the cake a wedge lie or a 3-iron lie?
Well, somebody had to say *that*... and I don't even like golf :lol:


I used to play and I don't get it. Mind you, I was about 9-ish...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Magdiragdag » Wed May 29, 2013 11:12 am UTC

TheMinim wrote:Shape-ONG!

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Which means that, if they're indeed in Madagascar, they're walking south(ish)!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Wed May 29, 2013 11:13 am UTC

Wow, shadows! That also implies that Megan and Cueball do see more shades than we do.

Here is our view of Cueball's shadow (from above):
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cellocgw » Wed May 29, 2013 11:15 am UTC

Davidy wrote:
lmjb1964 wrote:<snip> You graduated from high school just a few years before me, as it turns out. And my physics class was the first one to use calculators. They were certainly in common usage by then, of course, but our teacher thought the students should learn how to use slide rules. Kind of sorry I missed it, actually. I would have liked to learn how to use a slide rule.

My high school, college and military service days were well over a decade past when the first four function calculators hit the market. I was well versed in the operation of the slide rule, and even wore my first one out after three years of use. Of course, you couldn't add or subtract with a slide rule, and you couldn't do log functions on the calculator so there was a period when both devices were needed - until the scientific calculators came out. By the time I wore out my programmable HP calculator, cheap ($40) multi-function programmable graphing calculators became common.

You can in fact add and subtract on a slide rule, so long as you have log-log scales. Just take the antilog, multiply, and take the log of the result. <-- stupid slide rule tricks courtesy of yrs truly, who majored in Physics & Math way back when.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Wed May 29, 2013 11:44 am UTC

I'm becoming more and more certain that this is a specific geographical location.

Just a general hunch, plus it seems like something GLR would do. The plants are very specific, even if the squirpy wildlife is a bit puzzling.

And this pre-Time OtherComic makes me wonder...

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I'm pretty sure I've logged more hours in Google Maps over the past decade than in any game.

(If only it mentioned a Madagascan river instead of a Russian one!)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby charlie_grumbles » Wed May 29, 2013 11:45 am UTC

cellocgw wrote:You can in fact add and subtract on a slide rule, so long as you have log-log scales. Just take the antilog, multiply, and take the log of the result. <-- stupid slide rule trickses courtesy of yrs truly, who majored in Physics & Math way back when.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Wed May 29, 2013 11:53 am UTC

Cueball wrote:Making shapes with my shadow!


What shape can he be making with his arms like this? A strange kind of molpy?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby CasCat » Wed May 29, 2013 11:55 am UTC

SBN wrote:
taixzo wrote:Location: NewPage 75

There are a few unspoilered images that still link to time.png, but I endeavor to skip them; I intend to fully forsake the Present until I complete my Quest, as the great BlitzGirl and Vytron did before me. I hope some Time soon I shall join you all in the Present!

If you'll tell us where such spoilers are, we can try to get them fixed, or put up signposts warning future Blitzers.


I saw maybe six or seven instances blitzing through, fairly near the beginning -- I think most of them were just after they'd started the Quest For Other Rivers. Most of them were clustered within a dozen pages; I have a feeling (which I can't verify) that the same person was ONGing and accidentally got the wrong link.

Unfortunately, I didn't realize I should make note of where they were. I wasn't confused by them, because I didn't start Blitzing until after the Book of Aubron had reached the Trees3, and they showed the Trees3. (For the record, it took me approximately [heresy] seven Outside Days [/heresy] to Blitz the forum from page 1 to page 733; it's positively relaxing just to ketchup after a coma or work.

SBN wrote:Welcome, Blitzgirl the Next.


Thank you for the welcome! I knew (having blitzed) about the New-Poster Lag and didn't actually expect anyone to notice my post... :wink:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby XonqNopp » Wed May 29, 2013 12:06 pm UTC

WeirdONG(
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( really
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Wed May 29, 2013 12:08 pm UTC

I imagine it would be unsettling to look at your shadow and realize you had no meat on your sticks.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Wed May 29, 2013 12:14 pm UTC

XonqNopp wrote:WeirdONG(
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( really


So... there is a sun that creates those shadows, but it is never night.
So far so good. Now what about the wind? Maybe the flags were made of a solid material (I think plastic is ruled out), but at least the tree branches should move from time to time, so... no wind? But still, "it must get windier up here", and I kinda assume that vegetation needs wind when it comes to disseminate seeds, doesn't it?(Molpinsects can't do everything, can they?)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Wed May 29, 2013 12:23 pm UTC

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Thank you for the welcome! I knew (having blitzed) about the New-Poster Lag and didn't actually expect anyone to notice my post... :wink:

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We've started a bit of a tradition of throwing the firstposts forward when we see them, for just that reason. I've snipped most of your post, because the tags are messed up, so you may want to edit it. And I've quick-scrolled through the first 75 pages this morning, and PM'd a couple people about their links, film at eleven. There are some others, but they are labeled and spoilered, so I didn't bother there. I'll pick up my scrolling if the Outside leaves me alone for a bit, but I've got 300 pounds of dog that seems to think it is breakfast time, and I don't think I should argue.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Wed May 29, 2013 12:23 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Wow, shadows! That also implies that Megan and Cueball do see more shades than we do.

Here is our view of Cueball's shadow (from above):
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What if... The shadows are made of ...

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TimeLurker » Wed May 29, 2013 12:26 pm UTC

SBN wrote:<snip>
I've got 300 pounds of dog that seems to think it is breakfast time, and I don't think I should argue.

Reminds me of a joke. Where does an 800lb gorrilla sit?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby xpatiate » Wed May 29, 2013 12:31 pm UTC

OK so I might be all alone out on a limb here, squirrel-like, but I'm going to pelt you all with a few more acorns about fractals and Mandelbrot and stuff while I'm up here.

Yesterday I mentioned I'd come across Mandelbrot's idea that the world is an 'infinite sea of complexity' which contains two 'islands of simplicity': one is smooth Euclidean forms, and the other is the fractal world of self-similar 'roughness'. I'm definitely no mathematician, so am way out of my depth, especially in present company - actually I only have the vaguest idea what the Mandelbrot Set even is :) But that phrase 'islands of simplicity' struck a chord, and since then I've been wondering if the OTC could in fact be a kind of literal/visual interpretation of this idea.

Some of the parallels are...
- Cueball & Megan are not in any immediately identifiable 'real' place, but there are clues that hint they might be on an island
- wherever they are, it's definitely a place of simplicity. There's not much around, their language is simple, their sleeping/eating needs are simple, the visible technology is simple.
- the recursive sandcastle was a definite nod to the notion of self-similarity. The squirrel tree might have been another, as Chronosdragon illustrated. Maybe there have been more?

Then there's the sea (and this is where my limb starts dipping precariously)... Could the rising sea be an indicator of encroaching complexity? Since it started rising, Cueball & Megan have started trying to understand things that evidently never concerned them much before; the comic has acquired much more narrative momentum; and the landscape around them has become more and more finely detailed.

There was lots of discussion about fractals back when the recursive sandcastle appeared, but that was before this whole geographical exploration started. One of Mandelbrot's first papers on self-similarity related to coastlines, so a journey along the shore would be a great way to illustrate that notion... although you'd think a view from above would make it easier to get the point across! And of course none of that sheds much light on the rivers or the mysterious hill dwellers. Something to think about though.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Wed May 29, 2013 12:33 pm UTC

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I see what you did just there.

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In honor of your having completed a Holy Quest, and even having done so incognito, as did the great Selcouth before you, therefore by the power vested in me as the Pope of the Holy Contradiction, I hereby consecrate you and bestow upon thee the title of BlitzGirl the Next, that it be known for all Time and for all of time that you have truly and properly Waited For It.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TimeLurker » Wed May 29, 2013 12:39 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Dracomax » Wed May 29, 2013 12:57 pm UTC

BBQ Sauce time

On math

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ttscp wrote:The conversion isn't that bad (unless you aren't that good at arithmetic; I'm a mathematician, so I'm not), but I don't get the feel of 4500 Cue so I reverted to Outside units. Besides which it's been a while since I was in the comfy chair. Who's got the S&Ms?


Hmmm. Interesting. My doctorate is in Mathematics, but multiplication tables always escaped me. I finally forced myself to learn them after I had the PhD.

Not only that, I was in my fifth year of graduate study before anyone really taught me what mathematics is. I doubt that few teachers of it really know.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Wed May 29, 2013 12:58 pm UTC

RE: the first frame:
HAL9000 wrote:
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I don't know if this has been pointed out before, and it probably has, but one of the posts on the first page contains a link to the true first frame. Some exceptionally clever/obsessed person had all three of the first three frames saved, and had the bitstrings and images for the second and third, but only the image of the first. No bitstring, but still:
http://postimg.org/image/ftqovop7p/
EDIT to add that this is what happens when I accidentally click the link that directs me to the first page. Text appears before me, and thus I must read it.
EDIT2 because it's time to coma.

Is it truly the first frame? I thought people were pretty sure that had been lost.

yappobiscuits wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:As promised...

Spoiler:


Credit to whoever posted the text originally (too lazy to go back and look)

Awesome :D I have to wonder why it's rated R though... just how graphic can you get with stick figures? ;)

ChronosDragon, great work! Wow! And yappobiscuits, someone, somewhere on the OTT, posted a link to a page where there was a bunch of xkcd porn. Really! Or did I make that up?

kenmelken wrote:
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lmjb1964 wrote:Aack! I was all caught up, but the Outside is interfering again. Back, Outside, back! *brandishes a chair at the Outside*

kenmelken wrote:Next, @lmjb1964:

First, if anyone reading this missed her "Most wonderful thread on the net" song, unlock the spoiler below and read it (it is up there with BlitzGirl's "Don't Worry, Feed Squirpies" song for happy-vibes).

I just want to say, that I always smile when I see your avatar coming up next in the OTT, because I know I'm always going to appreciate what I'm about to read. :)
By the way, every time you have one of those exasperated ketchup posts where you are frantically throwing responses down in the short time you have before the Outside "finds you" or "catches you" again, I invent in my head some fantastic adventures you must pursue in the Outside. Those posts always have such a dramatic sense of urgency that I imagine you in the middle of warding of a zombie or raptor (or raptor-zombie!!!??!?!) army or performing covert CIA missions while somehow finding a moment to check the OTT and post some pleasant, optimistic tidbits. In my imagination, you have pretty much the most exciting life ever.

Well, that's all. Coma time.

Peace.

Ahh, my cover has been blown! Yes, I work for a top-secret branch of the CIA called Raptor And Zombie Observation and Relocation (RAZOR). Our motto is "Keeping the world safe from zombies, should we ever find any, and raptors, even though they aren't usually dangerous to humans." It's a terrible motto. I'm not sure who came up with it. Yes, it's a dangerous job, but someone has to do it.

Seriously, thank you so so much for those nice words! They're especially appreciated right now, since I've been feeling bad that I was contributing to tension in the OTT. That is never my intention. I do hope the song gives everyone warm fuzzies.

And I'm afraid my life, while busy, is not quite that dramatic. I just work a couple of jobs, and play gigs on a somewhat regular basis, and I'm in a dance troupe and currently rehearsing for a musical. So, it keeps me busy, but I'm afraid it's not the exciting life you imagine. Sorry!

OK, time to jump in my spy car get back to my desk and do some work. Cheers!

Sounds EXACTLY like what a spy would say if trying to throw people off. ;) Furthermore, if you weren't at the moment of this post fending of zombie-raptors, why exactly were you needing to brandish a chair???
Nice try, lmjb1964, but we're on to you... Btw, I for one think RAZOR's motto is fabulous.
(Seriously, though, your real life actually sounds just as cool. What musical are you involved in? Have you done many? I grew up in theater--my parents met in a play in high school--and love it!)

Darn, I really thought I covered my tracks there. :wink:

I'm playing the narrator in Into the Woods. One of my favorites, but unfortunately, it's only the first act, and it's a mostly student-run production and very disorganized. We open in a week and a half. Hopefully it will come together before then. It's till fun, mostly. This is only the second time I'll be on stage (last time was the same show and same part.) Usually I'm in the orchestra pit.

mikro2nd wrote:ketchup while on NP733/735...

What kind of a tree is that?
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slinches wrote:
HAL9000 wrote:Let's have ONGother go at this...
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ETA: Cactus? Or small palm tree-like plants?

Looks like some sort of palm to me, or a variety of yucca.

ETA: Possibly a Madagascar Palm?


My immediate thought was one of these:
P1010342_v1.JPG


This particular one live at the bottom of my garden at about 34°S 023°E and I've no idea what it is called, but it is pretty common in the indigenous forests around here. The picture doesn't really give a sense of scale: it's about 2q tall. The trunk is mostly hidden by other undergrowth, but it's really there, I swear!


edit: spoilered

This looks like some of the palms I found searching Google images for Madagascar palms. The leaves are right, but the one in the comic has that double trunk, and the trunk seems to be different than this one. I don't know. It's a puzzle!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Swein » Wed May 29, 2013 1:01 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Wed May 29, 2013 1:02 pm UTC

Chaotic Pile of Ketchup (vol 4)

Spoiler:
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"Fries anyone? Ketchup crash snarls traffic in Nevada"

Another day ketchupping -- I'm again over 20 NewPages behind (23, to be exact), and my post-count (735 with this post) has dipped back under the page-count (736). Not that it really matters, but being in such a numerophillic group I just thought I'd point out that detail. And it is probably links to something of relevance in some way because...

*nods head knowingly*

It's ALL related... :wink:

..and speaking of lines of relatedness:
Sciscitor wrote:Ok, here by popular demand: The Constellations of Time 2!
Spoiler:
cot2.jpg
And as a special extra surprise: The Hairy Alien! Based on the OTT data.
Spoiler:
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Huge version

Wow!!! :shock: Awesome work again, Sciscitor!!! This is a wonderful way to start out my day of ketchupping!!!! Beautiful! :D

edfel wrote:Some news about the map!
I've made it undergo a strict diet to drop all these kb so that my free hosting plan would take me to the end of the month. The changes shouldn't be too visible, but there are more and more chances that old browsers would not read it. The link is now http://edfel.atwebpages.com/Time-Map.php. The advantage is that I'll get more chances to make a js-free version at some point.

Very nice! I always love the map! And it looks so youthful and perky now -- has it lost weight!?!? :wink:

k.bookbinder wrote:I must post from the past, 709 of 714 at this time. I will have to have some heaping dose of ketchup later. Yesterday was a busy, but wonderful day for me. In the [heretical] Outside [/heretical] calendar it is a date of significance in two ways. First, it was International Towel Day. So a belated Happy Towel Day to you all! But more importantly, my wife returned from the lexicography conference she attended just in time for us to go out and celebrate our anniversary. :mrgreen:

Belated congratulations on the anniversary!!! :D

ttscp wrote:I'm going to talk about the OTT and the lack of flames.
Spoiler:
If you want to talk about the OTC, skip this post. I do think this post will be on-topic (as if anything in this thread is off-topic), but it does skim the edge.

It is one of the amazing features of this thread that we have had no flames in 28,000 posts. About 24 newpix ago, I followed a link from this thread to a light hearted article about Skynet taking over. Within two comments they were flaming.

So why don't we flame?

We have an unusual bunch here. We are articulate, intelligent, creative, xkcd followers. However that hasn't kept flames from starting in other xkcd fora (as an example, look at them arguing in Serious Business about what the Serious Business forum should be about).

There are over 900 posters. That's usually an invitation to flame. We humans can support an effective social group of about 150 people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number), that is way higher than chimpanzee social group size of 15 to 120 (http://www.savethechimps.org/chimp-facts) and I've seen it ascribed to our need to establish where we belong in the group (or social hierarchy) by talking, where chimps do it by grooming. However, 150 is still low compared to 900.

While we go off on whimsical pursuits (poetry, hats, stories, self-made religions, etc) we stay away from the major causes of flame wars elsewhere. There are, I think, three contributing factors: the first is the tick of the OTC itself. Not that we are not capable of concentrated effort, it's just that the appearance of each newpix, with its attendant speculation about what might be happening, tends to derail any sustained emotional commitment to a flame. The second is the collaborative feel brought about by the continuing mystery of the OTC, and the third is our desire to protect the thread from flames, now that we done it so far.

I don't think we would have been able to do this without the mystery and continuing tick of newpix. As I noted above, each newpix causes speculation. Whether it is slow sea rise where we are examining pixels of an otherwise unchanged sandcastlescape, or bee-snakes and molpys, we jump all over it and speculate endlessly. We also entertain ourselves between newpix with the aformentioned distractions, but those alone don't derail things as effectively as a newpix.

The collaboration was established early. An example: when we first realized we might lose a frame, mscha programmed the newpixbot. Initially it was programmed to collect and publish the new ong as soon as it became available, but people complained they would have no chance to publish and comment themselves. So mscha graciously backed off and now the newpixbot posts 10 [heresy]minutes[/heresy] after the [heresy]hour[/hour]. I've seen that again and again in the OTT; the spirit is collaborative. Nobody seems worried about whether their stanza ends up in the Jabber-walky, just that we get the best product.

There are limits to collaboration. If I post and nobody pays any attention, I'm likely to get my nose out of joint. If I am misquoted or feel I'm referred to disparagingly, I'm likely to get my nose out of joint. If I have disagreements about what is proper etiquette for posting or what the direction of the OTT should be, I'm likely to get my nose out of joint. However, I need to remember, that it isn't personal. Everyone I have ever seen post in this forum has behaved nicely, even when they were irritated. I can light a match, but I'm better off letting it go out before I get burned, before I let my emotion take me over.

Case in point. I singled out mscha for a compliment above, so I'll use him as an example of something that irritated me. I quoted newpixbot to make a comment about the posted newpix. The response was "How very uninspired...", but the way he quoted, I couldn't tell whether he was talking about my post or the newpixbot ONG which was "DONGS". So I spent some time irritated, and then realized I couldn't tell what he was talking about, and it wasn't worth even lighting a match over. As I said, not personal.

Finally, we now have become protective of the thread. We act to keep flames from happening. SBN pointed out that we can resolve differences only if we know them. I think of that as a another reminder not to take things personally. You may not know that your opinion pushes one of my buttons. I opined in another post that contribution to the thread need not only be poetry, hats, images, graphs but can be just appreciation for one another; the social glue that reminds us that we are all part of the same group, human or bot.

Of course, since I'm emotional about the OTT, this very idea may be the one that I keep the match burning on.

Enough. I'm very happy to be part of this thread, and once again I appreciate all that all of you have done. I don't appreciate all the time it takes away from my Outside responsibilities, but I can't have everything.

And, just to derail the main thought of this post and avoid double posting, here are some random/miscellaneous thoughts

Perhaps MobTeeseboose is not lurking Time, but some other xkcd forum. It may be the newpix bot of that other forum, except that it doesn't post, it just scrapes information for some Sciscitor like graphs.

Newpix is the base unit. For some reason the Outside sped up after the first few newpix.

Great analysis, ttcp, and I agree with it. The persistent pulse of the Newpix does help refocus us on why we're all here, as does the ever-present commandment of the ALT-TEXT: "Wait For It". Perhaps people in waiting mode tend to be a little more civil and relaxed, as long as there's not too much emphasis on position in the queue (like line-cutting, etc). We're all waiting together, united for a greater purpose, and all with a common goal. And luckily we've been spared the rabble-rousing intruders who tend to be the instigators in many flame-war issues that I've witnessed -- the mean-spirited "pranksters" who have no real interest in the purpose of the forum and simply get a charge out of being obnoxious and rattling as many cages as they can. But we always have the mods to help police any problems like that if they arise. In the meantime, I can't think of anyplace on the internet I'd rather be. Thanks to all of you for your awesomeness!!! :D

BlitzGirl wrote:
ttscp wrote:<snip> Finally, we now have become protective of the thread. We act to keep flames from happening.

Wonderful post, ttscp!

Spoiler:
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Now that's a badge I'd wear proudly! Great job, BlitzGirl! :D

And on to volume 5...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Dracomax » Wed May 29, 2013 1:05 pm UTC

lmjb1964 wrote:I'm playing the narrator in Into the Woods. One of my favorites, but unfortunately, it's only the first act, and it's a mostly student-run production and very disorganized. We open in a week and a half. Hopefully it will come together before then. It's till fun, mostly. This is only the second time I'll be on stage (last time was the same show and same part.) Usually I'm in the orchestra pit.

Wait. Didn't you say you were a girl? Is the entire cast gender flipped, or are you ignoring the baker/Mysterious man/narrator connection?
Spoiler:
Usually, but not always, the narrator and the mysterious man, who turns out to be baker's father, are played by the same person. At the end of the play, baker begins retelling the story in the exact words of the narrator, implying he was always the narrator.
I always thought it was nice and symbolic. It isn't necessary, I guess, but I feel it can make the play better. /musical nerdrage
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby higgs-boson » Wed May 29, 2013 1:09 pm UTC

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WeirdONG(
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( really

))This is not funny *twitch*
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Dracomax » Wed May 29, 2013 1:12 pm UTC

higgs-boson wrote:
XonqNopp wrote:
Spoiler:
WeirdONG(
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( really

))This is not funny *twitch*

So long as they only have one shadow....Hate to think the Vashta Nerada are are there...of course, there hasn't been anything I'd call a forest, so they are probably safe.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Wed May 29, 2013 1:12 pm UTC

higgs-boson wrote:
XonqNopp wrote:
Spoiler:
WeirdONG(
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( really

))This is not funny *twitch*


It is when they're superscript!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HAL9000 » Wed May 29, 2013 1:12 pm UTC

lmjb1964 wrote:RE: the first frame:
HAL9000 wrote:
Spoiler:
I don't know if this has been pointed out before, and it probably has, but one of the posts on the first page contains a link to the true first frame. Some exceptionally clever/obsessed person had all three of the first three frames saved, and had the bitstrings and images for the second and third, but only the image of the first. No bitstring, but still:
http://postimg.org/image/ftqovop7p/
EDIT to add that this is what happens when I accidentally click the link that directs me to the first page. Text appears before me, and thus I must read it.
EDIT2 because it's time to coma.

Is it truly the first frame? I thought people were pretty sure that had been lost.

Well, the same user posted four distinct frames an hour and a half after the comic went up (first frame, plus the three updates). But there was also mention of there being an update ten minutes after 1190 was first uploaded, so I may be wrong, but either they got the first frame or they're being wayy too subtle with their hoaxes.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Wed May 29, 2013 1:14 pm UTC

And again I get the first post on a page! This is freaky. I'm going to have to stop posting.
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