The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

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How should ".gif" be pronounced?

Hard G (as in gimp)
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Soft G (as in giraffe)
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby chridd » Fri May 31, 2013 4:15 am UTC

/ʤi.ai.ɛf/

Adam H wrote:A little wikipedia research leads me to believe that g is usually soft when followed by i in words of romantic (non-germanic) origin. So the real question is, does .gif have more romantic or germanic roots?? :P
The g is from graphics, which is from Greek. According to Wiktionary, inter- is from Latin, change is from Old French, and format is from New Latin. So it doesn't have a Germanic origin.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri May 31, 2013 4:21 am UTC

Wrong. It was coined in English, which is a Germanic language, ergo Germanic origin.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby phlip » Fri May 31, 2013 4:35 am UTC

Adam H wrote:"Jif" doesn't sound dumb to anyone who had a decent childhood and ate Jif peanut butter.

So now you're saying that only Americans get to have decent childhoods? How dare you. Over here we have peanut butter from brands with decently-spelled and impossible-to-make-fun-of-as-a-child names, like Kraft and Dick Smith.

I pronounce it with a hard G, by analogy to "gift" without the T... that's just he analog that comes to mind first.

Sure, the creator pronounces it differently, but then the creator thought it was a great idea to run an image through a patent-encumbered compression algorithm, slap some headers on it, and call it an "interchange format", so nothing he says can really be taken seriously.

The "Graphics is pronounced with a hard G" argument is terrible, though. How the component words are pronounced very rarely dictates how the acronym is pronounced - that's just not how acronyms work.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby chridd » Fri May 31, 2013 4:44 am UTC

phlip wrote:
Adam H wrote:"Jif" doesn't sound dumb to anyone who had a decent childhood and ate Jif peanut butter.

So now you're saying that only Americans get to have decent childhoods? How dare you. Over here we have peanut butter from brands with decently-spelled and impossible-to-make-fun-of-as-a-child names, like Kraft and Dick Smith.
To me it looks like it just means that it could sound dumb to people who had decent childhoods and didn't eat Jif peanut butter (or ate Jif peanut butter but had horrible childhoods, or both, or those who had excellent childhoods rather than merely decent...)
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby AlexTheSeal » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:23 pm UTC

Perhaps some of you who have strong feelings one way or the other in this thread would be willing to put aside your differences in order to come and slap around politely correct the guy I just heard in the cube behind me talking about the cool new version-control system called "jit."
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby sparkyb » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:47 am UTC

I voted soft g. That's the way I've always pronounced it. I don't know if that was just what seemed intuitive for me, or whether I heard it pronounced by someone else first. Being old enough to have actually used CompuServe and gifs before the internet, I only knew of it with the soft g for years, and am pretty convinced that's just how it is, regardless of how stupid you might think that is. Words don't have to make sense. Irregardless is in the dictionary and thus a word despite how much I loath its nonsensicalness.

I wonder how far back the gif vs. jif controversy goes? All the way to the creation of the format, or was the alternate pronunciation a later invention of the internet?
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:02 am UTC

sparkyb wrote:Irregardless is in the dictionary and thus a word
I disagree.

"Irregardless" is a word and thus in the dictionary.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby EvanED » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:46 am UTC

AlexTheSeal wrote:Perhaps some of you who have strong feelings one way or the other in this thread would be willing to put aside your differences in order to come and slap around politely correct the guy I just heard in the cube behind me talking about the cool new version-control system called "jit."
Just send him an email with Linus's Google tech talk; tell him he'll find it interesting if he likes Git. Don't mention the pronunciation.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Xenomortis » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:54 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
sparkyb wrote:Irregardless is in the dictionary and thus a word
I disagree.

"Irregardless" is a word and thus in the dictionary.

Doesn't make it right.
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AlexTheSeal wrote:Perhaps some of you who have strong feelings one way or the other in this thread would be willing to put aside your differences in order to come and slap around politely correct the guy I just heard in the cube behind me talking about the cool new version-control system called "jit."

To be fair, is it a word non-Brits come across in common parlance?
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:41 pm UTC

Xenomortis wrote:
gmalivuk wrote:
sparkyb wrote:Irregardless is in the dictionary and thus a word
I disagree.

"Irregardless" is a word and thus in the dictionary.

Doesn't make it right.
No one said it did.

My point was that dictionaries, as they track usage after the fact, put things in which are already used as words by a significant enough number of people. (Plus, there's the simple fact that languages have words even if they've never had dictionaries.)

It's just the "it's not a word if it isn't in a dictionary" attitude is annoying.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby sparkyb » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:27 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:"Irregardless" is a word and thus in the dictionary.

gmalivuk wrote:My point was that dictionaries, as they track usage after the fact, put things in which are already used as words by a significant enough number of people. (Plus, there's the simple fact that languages have words even if they've never had dictionaries.)

It's just the "it's not a word if it isn't in a dictionary" attitude is annoying.


I didn't mean to imply that it was only a word because it was in the dictionary, but I meant that being in the dictionary is more or less proof that it definitely is (and was) a word. I agree that things not in the dictionary can still be words, but not every sequence of letters is. There's room for some debate, but I consider being listed in the dictionary a definitive consensus that it is a word.

Also, sorry for derailing the thread.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:33 pm UTC

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that you necessarily had that notion of which direction cause and effect go. Being in a dictionary is indeed reasonable proof that something is a word.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby AlexTheSeal » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:04 pm UTC

Xenomortis wrote:
AlexTheSeal wrote:Perhaps some of you who have strong feelings one way or the other in this thread would be willing to put aside your differences in order to come and slap around politely correct the guy I just heard in the cube behind me talking about the cool new version-control system called "jit."

To be fair, is it a word non-Brits come across in common parlance?


No, not in the general case. But I was surprised that in the case of someone speaking enthusiastically about the VCS, apparently all of the above were true:
  • He hadn't watched an online video about it
  • He hadn't spoken to someone about it who knew the correct pronunciation
  • He wasn't enough of an Anglophile (something that used to be an essential part of computer geekery) to be familiar with the word from Monty Python, Douglas Adams, Blackadder, etc....
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby EvanED » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:35 pm UTC

AlexTheSeal wrote:He wasn't enough of an Anglophile (something that used to be an essential part of computer geekery) to be familiar with the word from Monty Python, Douglas Adams, Blackadder, etc....[/list]
In his defense, being a fan of Douglas Adams would probably not have helped (it's still only reading), and even if he was familiar with Monty Python or something it'd be totally possible to have not made the connection.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby AlexTheSeal » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:29 pm UTC

EvanED wrote:
AlexTheSeal wrote:He wasn't enough of an Anglophile (something that used to be an essential part of computer geekery) to be familiar with the word from Monty Python, Douglas Adams, Blackadder, etc....
In his defense, being a fan of Douglas Adams would probably not have helped (it's still only reading), and even if he was familiar with Monty Python or something it'd be totally possible to have not made the connection.


Hey, this is a religious war thread. Don't confuse me with logic.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby phlip » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:27 am UTC

EvanED wrote:In his defense, being a fan of Douglas Adams would probably not have helped (it's still only reading)

Eh, people who've only read the H2G2 books, and haven't listened to the original radio show, are essentially dead to me anyway.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Thesh » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:35 am UTC

I've never read the books, but I've seen the movie. It was okay. I don't get what all the fuss is about.

That said, H2G2 is a horrible abbreviation; hitchhiker is one word.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby gmalivuk » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:51 am UTC

Thesh wrote:I've never read the books, but I've seen the movie. It was okay. I don't get what all the fuss is about.
Thesh wrote:I don't get what all the fuss is about.
Thesh wrote:I've never read the books, but I've seen the movie.
I think I see your problem.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Роберт » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:00 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
Thesh wrote:I've never read the books, but I've seen the movie. It was okay. I don't get what all the fuss is about.
Thesh wrote:I don't get what all the fuss is about.
Thesh wrote:I've never read the books, but I've seen the movie.
I think I see your problem.

Honestly, Thesh? You really just said that?
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby phlip » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:55 am UTC

Роберт wrote:Honestly, Thesh? You really just said that?

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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby marcel » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:00 am UTC

Thesh wrote:That said, H2G2 is a horrible abbreviation; hitchhiker is one word.

This is absolutely true. I have enough problems with people incapable of writing the full name of a book, movie, tv-show, band, etc. anyway. If you do use an abbreviation, then at least use an one that makes sense so people have a chance of understanding what you mean.


p.s. to safe you from further embarrasment I removed the first sentence of your post in this quote.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Carlington » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:13 am UTC

phlip wrote:
EvanED wrote:In his defense, being a fan of Douglas Adams would probably not have helped (it's still only reading)

Eh, people who've only read the H2G2 books, and haven't listened to the original radio show, are essentially dead to me anyway.

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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby gmalivuk » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:30 pm UTC

marcel wrote:If you do use an abbreviation, then at least use an one that makes sense so people have a chance of understanding what you mean.

Given that the 5-book H2G2 series is traditionally referred to as a trilogy, I think it can get a pass on needing to make literal, logical sense all the time.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby BRNMan » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:24 pm UTC

I just say gee-eye-eff to get around the whole argument.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Xaioxaiofan » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:48 pm UTC

I say 'gif', because 'jiff' sounds like I'm talking about a cleaning product.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby brenok » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:13 am UTC

Xaioxaiofan wrote:I say 'gif', because 'jiff' sounds like I'm talking about a cleaning product.


Well, I think everybody pronounces gif as "gif", just like every base is base 10.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby TH3_B3ARD3D_0N3 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:36 am UTC

JIFF, like the peanut butter.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Rhombic » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:58 pm UTC

Obviously "hard" g. if it is preceded by the article "a", I usually pronounce the g as a voiced velar fricative.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Rhombic » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:58 pm UTC

Obviously "hard" g. if it is preceded by the article "a", I usually pronounce the g as a voiced velar fricative.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby hotaru » Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:06 am UTC

"jiff" sounds like something a furry does.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Foxical » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:25 pm UTC

Soft G. I realize this is a kind of unpopular stance, but I'm sticking with it.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Shef_ » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:10 am UTC

I found that in the west coast more people pronounce it with a soft G, but in the east more people say a hard G. It's just personal experience, so I may be wrong.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Bad Hair Man » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:15 pm UTC

.gif rhymes with knife.

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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby chasesan » Mon May 12, 2014 6:35 am UTC

I grew up without a role model for my pronunciation of acronyms. I was a very avid young reader who was often alone in the library for many hours at a time. Therefore my pronunciations are whatever ones seemed most natural to me at the time (even if completely wrong).

GIF = Like GIFT but without the T. So hard G.
FAQ = I pronounce this pretty much FAK, like FACT, except with a hard K, and that K is a little softer (since it's a Q).
XOR = I pronounce it just as it is written. I pronounce X (like in xylophone), and then OR, but all at once without pause.
Most scientists I noticed pronounce this as "Ex Or". I however learned it long before anyone else I around me ever said it aloud (in fact, by several years, so I am kind of stuck pronouncing it this way).
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby gmalivuk » Mon May 12, 2014 12:26 pm UTC

What's the difference you perceive between the C in FACT and what you call a hard K?
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby Sizik » Sat May 17, 2014 3:16 pm UTC

Probably aspiration.
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:24 pm UTC

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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby StapleHorseOctopus » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:43 pm UTC

Like "gift" without the "t".
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Re: The One True Pronunciation of ".GIF"

Postby WibblyWobbly » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:01 am UTC

I prefer to think of it as "perphlorningif", but without the "perphlornin".
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