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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:59 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Australia, early November. 9:30 AM UTC.
EDIT: (That's around 7.30 pm local time)

Also - the position of venus indicates that it is THIS year.

Isn't it very dark for 7:30 pm local time, in Australia, in November?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:59 pm UTC

The highly specific date is really intruiging. I wonder if this means the OTC will continue until that date...and what will happen then? :shock:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:02 pm UTC

Hmmm. No moon still. If visible it should be a sliver of a crescent. It could be still just off screen but I think it ought to be in view by now. Maybe Randall missed it.

I'm surprised though because the location of Venus is so perfect.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:04 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:
mscha wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Here is a screenshot of Stellarium with the location (roughly Australia), date and time set per my post and Venus and it's orbit is selected.
The sun sets and the sky moves exactly as the OTC shows as you adjust the minutes.

If the sun sets in direction in Australia according to Stellarium, then I wouldn't trust anything it says.


Sorry - just checked my location... It's in line with Australia but closer to the equator -- somewhere in Indonesia.

Edit: I got all this from rough adjustments in Stellarium. I'm sure more precise measurements should be able to produce a more precise location.


Longitude problem to have a chance of determining longitude, we need the moon. Venus is in about the same place every 8 years (and when this gets inaccurate, it realigns every 243 years), so to determine when this is happening, we need at least one more planet. (assuming we aren't looking at Jupiter right now)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:04 pm UTC

No more need for enhancONG.
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Stars and milky way now clearly visible.

ETA: At the Time this ONG was originally posted, the anomaly star was present, and the frame looked like this:
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But GLR has since fixed the mustard.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:05 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thirds » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:07 pm UTC

If we assume a latitude of around Indonesia, the Sub-Saharan region across Africa would not only line up in latitude but also most of the flora/fauna we've seen. It would also make BlitzGirl happy/right.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:08 pm UTC

Updated animation:
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Still getting a bit darker every newpix.

ETA: I'm pretty sure Indonesia doesn't get 45 degree angled sunsets...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Marsh'n » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:09 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:09 pm UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:The highly specific date is really intruiging. I wonder if this means the OTC will continue until that date...and what will happen then? :shock:


How many newpix total would that be? Would it jive with that neato one-for-each-hour-of-the-pregnancy hypothesis?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:10 pm UTC

thirds wrote:If we assume a latitude of around Indonesia, the Sub-Saharan region across Africa would not only line up in latitude but also most of the flora/fauna we've seen.


Actually you are totally right. The only thing I can say about the location is that its near the equator. The date and time are right though. The location of the moon should pinpoint the precise time and therefore the longitude.

EDIT: Seeing as the moon has not shown up it yet, I think it really puts it in the western hemisphere.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:11 pm UTC

Cool thing about this night scene is that we will be clearly able to see any inside time compression using the stars.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Montov » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:12 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thirds » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:14 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:The date and time are right though.


If that was so, then it would have to be an island in the Pacific to have the sun setting at 9:30am UTC.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:15 pm UTC

thirds wrote:
Kieryn wrote:The date and time are right though.


If that was so, then there's no way it could be anywhere east of the UTC line, it would have to be Western Hemisphere, which wouldn't match up with any of the flora.


Yep. that's what I said. If we do see the moon, which I suspect we will, then we ought to be able to nail the time to within minutes and the location reasonably precisely.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:16 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Seeing as the moon has not shown up it yet, I think it really puts it in the western hemisphere.
What about the Baobabs? And this sun-setting-left-to-right business

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thirds » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:18 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:
thirds wrote:
Kieryn wrote:The date and time are right though.


If that was so, then there's no way it could be anywhere east of the UTC line, it would have to be Western Hemisphere, which wouldn't match up with any of the flora.


Yep. that's what I said. If we do see the moon, which I suspect we will, then we ought to be able to nail the time to within minutes and the location reasonably precisely.

I edited my comment. If you are saying 9:30am UTC is the absolutely correct time and on that date given, then it couldn't be Western Hemisphere, nor Africa, it would have to be Papua New Guinea or the Solomon Islands or somewhere in that area.

I've been an Australianist, I've been a staunch Madagascarist and I've dabbled in SubSarahanism (due to the leader of that movement) but Cassinism is looking intriguing.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:19 pm UTC

mscha, don't worry.. you aren't being ignored. I, too, highly suspect the data that only 1 person is able to produce so far. I need repeat findings. Image
Keiryn, you fucking rock for doing what you're doing though, so please don't take that the wrong way. Image

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jetpac » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:20 pm UTC

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Oh... crap... I've let Time get away from me. I'm reeeally tempted to just jump to the present, or schizo-blitz or something, but I also very much enjoy experiencing the OTT in order. Still, I'm more than 100 pages behind, and in the past it's taken me something like a week to regain 20NP of ground lost. I'll continue my trend of silent blitzing, I suppose, with the occasional response to a now-long-dead conversation if I'm feeling an especially clever or interesting response (note that I didn't say my observations will actually be clever, just that I'll feel that way).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:21 pm UTC

I've figured it out! The moon's not appearing because there is no moon - or the moon has been replaced by something bigger and more ominous...which would also explain the tides.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:23 pm UTC

Eutychus wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Seeing as the moon has not shown up it yet, I think it really puts it in the western hemisphere.
What about the Baobabs? And this sun-setting-left-to-right business

/Still a Randallversalist or at least a Cassinist

[edit: ninja'd on the baobabs]


The sun setting left to right matches up with the date and latitude of close to the equator.
The baobabs... hmmm even with Cassini, the latitude of Madagascar rules out the angle of the sun's decent.

Not sure what to make of those. All other flora/fauna could be central american I think?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:25 pm UTC

Thanks for that explanation.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:26 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:mscha, don't worry.. you aren't being ignored. I, too, highly suspect the data that only 1 person is able to produce so far. I need repeat findings. Image
Keiryn, you fucking rock for doing what you're doing though, so please don't take that the wrong way. Image

However, when you look up the Path-of-the-Sun, looking West, from the Southern Hemisphere, it is following the correct pattern in the comic. ↘

It would appear to move down and to the left viewed from the Northern Hemisphere, like shown below. So I def still think we're in the southern hemisphere here.

NORTHERN (shown setting opposite of the comic):
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Thanks :)

For corroboration, I suggest others also take a look in Stellarium and plug in the numbers I've mentioned. Also it's worth checking in some other software if anyone else knows of any. And if anyone has the time and expertise -- calculating based on actual math and numbers that are published somewhere would be awesome. Unfortunately that last task is beyond my resources.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:27 pm UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:I've figured it out! The moon's not appearing because there is no moon - or the moon has been replaced by something bigger and more ominous...which would also explain the tides.


The Death Star!!!!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:28 pm UTC

This space deliberately left blank.

(It was a comment on an incorrect diagram that has been removed in the meantime, so no need for my comments to remain.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby GerardE » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:29 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:mscha, don't worry.. you aren't being ignored. I, too, highly suspect the data that only 1 person is able to produce so far. I need repeat findings. Image
Keiryn, you fucking rock for doing what you're doing though, so please don't take that the wrong way. Image

However, when you look up the Path-of-the-Sun, looking West, from the Southern Hemisphere, it is following the correct pattern in the comic. ↘

It would appear to move down and to the left viewed from the Northern Hemisphere, like shown below. So I def still think we're in the southern hemisphere here.

NORTHERN (shown setting opposite of the comic):
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This means my outside world perception is wrong! I lived over 50 years in north western Europe and always imagined the sun setting down and to the right :roll:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:29 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Maybe Randall missed it.

Heresy! That would only be the case if your data were correct yet. Image

thirds wrote:If we assume a latitude of around Indonesia, the Sub-Saharan region across Africa would not only line up in latitude but also most of the flora/fauna we've seen. It would also make BlitzGirl happy/right.

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Kieryn wrote:the latitude of Madagascar rules out the angle of the sun's decent.

I believe you get an angle of setting sun regardless of equator closeness or not. As shown in the pic I posted above.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thirds » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:29 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:
Eutychus wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Seeing as the moon has not shown up it yet, I think it really puts it in the western hemisphere.
What about the Baobabs? And this sun-setting-left-to-right business

/Still a Randallversalist or at least a Cassinist

[edit: ninja'd on the baobabs]


The sun setting left to right matches up with the date and latitude of close to the equator.
The baobabs... hmmm even with Cassini, the latitude of Madagascar rules out the angle of the sun's decent.

Not sure what to make of those. All other flora/fauna could be central american I think?

There are baobabs in parts of sub-saharan Africa. But if you are right about the time it could not be anywhere in Africa.

Valarya wrote:However, when you look up the Path-of-the-Sun, looking West, from the Southern Hemisphere, it is following the correct pattern in the comic. ↘

It would appear to move down and to the left viewed from the Northern Hemisphere, like shown below. So I def still think we're in the southern hemisphere here.

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NORTHERN (shown setting opposite of the comic):
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Not quite. North of the Tropic of Cancer (!) the sun always sets L->R. South of the Tropic of Capricorn, the sun always sets R->L. In between, it depends on the season.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:33 pm UTC

thirds wrote:North of the Tropic of Cancer (!) the sun always sets L->R. South of the Tropic of Capricorn, the sun always sets R->L. In between, it depends on the season.
This is making my head hurt. So if it's November and in the southern hemisphere...?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:34 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
Valarya wrote:mscha, don't worry.. you aren't being ignored. I, too, highly suspect the data that only 1 person is able to produce so far. I need repeat findings. Image
Keiryn, you fucking rock for doing what you're doing though, so please don't take that the wrong way. Image

However, when you look up the Path-of-the-Sun, looking West, from the Southern Hemisphere, it is following the correct pattern in the comic. ↘

It would appear to move down and to the left viewed from the Northern Hemisphere, like shown below. So I def still think we're in the southern hemisphere here.
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Australian sunset.
North-American sunset.



Yep I concede - I was mistaken about Australia. However the equator in November will give close to the correct orientation of the stars and the angle of the sun's decent.

My official moon prediction: Within the next 2-6 frames we will see a thin cresent moon appear at the top of the frame somewhere around 1/3 of the way across from left. The crescent will be lit from the bottom right of course, towards where the sun set.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:38 pm UTC

Here is something I just found that I think lets you play with various sun trajectories for Kieryn's proposed date...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:39 pm UTC

Now I'm just confusing myself. :?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:39 pm UTC

You know, so far, this is looking as if it might be my first accurate prediction for the OTC:

StratPlayer wrote:This will be great -- i think it will either be clearly identifiable constellations or a jumble of artistic-but unrealistic stars which will hopefully finally resolve the "real location or Randallverse" debate.

But... knowing how things have worked out so far in the OTC, it might just be a clearly identifiable series of constellations that could only be viewed from some ridiculous, inconsistent place or time like this: Constellations in 50,000 years


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:41 pm UTC

I suspect we are in Africa, north of the equator. Kieryn, have you tried putting the perspective somewhere around the same latitude in Africa? Did you get some inconsistency?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:42 pm UTC

GerardE wrote:
Valarya wrote:mscha, don't worry.. you aren't being ignored. I, too, highly suspect the data that only 1 person is able to produce so far. I need repeat findings. Image
Keiryn, you fucking rock for doing what you're doing though, so please don't take that the wrong way. Image

However, when you look up the Path-of-the-Sun, looking West, from the Southern Hemisphere, it is following the correct pattern in the comic. ↘

It would appear to move down and to the left viewed from the Northern Hemisphere, like shown below. So I def still think we're in the southern hemisphere here.

NORTHERN (shown setting opposite of the comic):
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This means my outside world perception is wrong! I lived over 50 years in north western Europe and always imagined the sun setting down and to the right :roll:

And how often have you seen the sun in the northern sky?

This picture is for the Southern Hemisphere!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:42 pm UTC

Prediction update:
Intervals in the OTC do seem to be roughly 5 minutes.
The moon will appear about halfway across the frame in about 5 newpix.
The moon's phase will be 0.25
They are in central america. Probably Mexico.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:44 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
Valarya wrote:mscha, don't worry.. you aren't being ignored. I, too, highly suspect the data that only 1 person is able to produce so far. I need repeat findings. Image
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Keiryn, you fucking rock for doing what you're doing though, so please don't take that the wrong way. Image

However, when you look up the Path-of-the-Sun, looking West, from the Southern Hemisphere, it is following the correct pattern in the comic. ↘

It would appear to move down and to the left viewed from the Northern Hemisphere, like shown below. So I def still think we're in the southern hemisphere here.
NORTHERN:
Image

Image
Australian sunset.
North-American sunset.

Don't give me that face.. I was paying attention to you. I tried doing some digging and I concede that the picture I found was mislabeled and I wrong.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Whizbang » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:44 pm UTC

If it is earlry November, 2013, do you suppose we'll get to see the eclipse?

ETA:
Or what about ISON?
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